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Durera
07-11-2003, 10:53 AM
<span style='font-family:comic sans ms'>Well, as we&#39;ve seen, for MF it&#39;s Status Quo (?&#33;&#33;) who in your opinion is the greatest British band ever?

Big can of worms, will it be one of the oldies, or someone more recent??

I&#39;m going for the Kinks meself, frankly it amazes me that they were not even bigger... and Ray Davies must go down as the creator of Heavy Metal/Rock etc. To prove this, just look at the riff&#39;s behind some of their biggest songs...</span>
Westcliff Shrimper
07-11-2003, 10:56 AM
The Jam. End of story.

WS
Napster
07-11-2003, 11:01 AM
Ian Dury and The Blockheads.
Groyne Strain
07-11-2003, 11:21 AM
Rolling Stones.
MrB
07-11-2003, 11:29 AM
Toss up between The Stones &amp; Led Zep for me. Though Queen will always hold a special place in my heart. The three of them are fairly different so I guess it depends what mood you&#39;re in.

As for todays bands, Radiohead and Orbital for me are contenders to be rembered as long as those listed above.
Andu
07-11-2003, 11:29 AM
Deep Purple
Mad Cyril
07-11-2003, 11:31 AM
808 state.

Or the Rolling stones.
07-11-2003, 11:35 AM
Steps or s-Club 7 although my current faves are &#39;fast food rockers&#39;
Shagster69
07-11-2003, 11:39 AM
Oasis, Blur, Beatles.
Napster
07-11-2003, 12:17 PM
Quote[/b] (MrB @ Nov. 07 2003,11:29)]Orbital
who? Not the ones who did the fluffy clouds song?
Durera
07-11-2003, 12:32 PM
Quote[/b] (Napster @ Nov. 07 2003,12:17)]
Quote[/b] (MrB @ Nov. 07 2003,11:29)]Orbital
who? Not the ones who did the fluffy clouds song?
<span style='font-family:comic sans ms'>Satan was much better...</span>
MrB
07-11-2003, 12:41 PM
Quote[/b] (Napster @ Nov. 07 2003,12:17)]who? Not the ones who did the fluffy clouds song?
90&#39;s techno pioneers. The good kind of techno as opposed to 2Unlimited.
BILLERICAY BLUE
07-11-2003, 01:09 PM
Queen, by a long, long way http://www2.shrimperzone.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
Mad Cyril
07-11-2003, 01:46 PM
Quote[/b] (Napster @ Nov. 07 2003,12:17)]
Quote[/b] (MrB @ Nov. 07 2003,11:29)]Orbital
who? Not the ones who did the fluffy clouds song?
That was the orb
Durera
07-11-2003, 01:52 PM
Quote[/b] (Mad Cyril @ Nov. 07 2003,13:46)]
Quote[/b] (Napster @ Nov. 07 2003,12:17)]
Quote[/b] (MrB @ Nov. 07 2003,11:29)]Orbital
who? Not the ones who did the fluffy clouds song?
That was the orb
<span style='font-family:comic sans ms'>I always get the too mixed up...</span>
Vange Shrimper
07-11-2003, 02:22 PM
Has to be either Blur or Feeder for me. Would U2 count?&#33;&#33; http://www2.shrimperzone.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif
Mad Cyril
07-11-2003, 02:32 PM
Quote[/b] (Vange Shrimper @ Nov. 07 2003,14:22)]Has to be either Blur or Feeder for me. Would U2 count?&#33;&#33; http://www2.shrimperzone.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif
Feeder are so sh*t I don&#39;t know where to start.

He&#39;s got a CD player, player, player, player.

Strokers.

If they came down my local they wouldn&#39;t get 7 days in the sun.

They&#39;d get 3 weeks in hospital.
Wessex Blue
07-11-2003, 02:33 PM
Stone Roses for me&#33;
What about your best bands in each decade?
Small Faces - 60&#39;s
Jam - 70 - 80&#39;s
Stone Roses - 80&#39;s - early nineties
Electric 6 - noughties
Durera
07-11-2003, 02:42 PM
Quote[/b] (Vange Shrimper @ Nov. 07 2003,14:22)]Has to be either Blur or Feeder for me. Would U2 count?&#33;&#33; http://www2.shrimperzone.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif
<span style='font-family:comic sans ms'>Ah&#33; The memories&#33; Feeder at the Army &amp; Navy with only about 30 others&#33;

Blur at the Cliffs&#33;&#33;

Neither&#39;d get my vote though... Feeder just can&#39;t hack it against their peers...

Blur IMHO are great, BUT&#33; the only album with any lasting power is (ironically) Modern Life...</span>
Durera
07-11-2003, 02:43 PM
<span style='font-family:comic sans ms'>And NO, U2 do not count... For one they&#39;re Irish, rather than Northern (so Ash would count), and secondly they released Discotheque&#33;</span>
Vange Shrimper
07-11-2003, 02:48 PM
Quote[/b] (Wessex Blue @ Nov. 07 2003,14:33)]Stone Roses for me&#33;
What about your best bands in each decade?
Small Faces - 60&#39;s
Jam - 70 - 80&#39;s
Stone Roses - 80&#39;s - early nineties
Electric 6 - noughties
Stone Roses were good, and i quite like the Charlatans. Hate Oasis http://www2.shrimperzone.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

Part from Sterophonics, Feeder are the best band to come out of Wales http://www2.shrimperzone.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

Durera, was jsut asking about U2 cos they keep on winning awards at the Brit awards and Ireland are part of the British Isles, are they not?&#33;&#33;&#33;
Durera
07-11-2003, 02:49 PM
<span style='font-family:comic sans ms'>Decades? Here goes (off the top of my head, so I hold every right to change my mind later1&#33;):

I&#39;d have to start in the 60&#39;s too, my brother (20 years my senior) is a f**king Teddy Boy, and frankly does my head in&#33;&#33;:

60&#39;s = Kinks
70&#39;s = T-Rex
80&#39;s = Got stuck here, but I&#39;ll go for the Jam, although I&#39;m pretty ignorant on album&#39;s, only really know the singles...
90&#39;s = Radiohead
Naughties = Muse</span>
MrB
07-11-2003, 02:50 PM
Quote[/b] (Wessex Blue @ Nov. 07 2003,14:33)]What about your best bands in each decade?
Good shout:
60&#39;s - Stones
70&#39;s - Led Zeppelin
80&#39;s - The Jam
90&#39;s - Orbital
00&#39;s - God knows, it&#39;s been pretty cr*p so far&#33;
Durera
07-11-2003, 02:53 PM
Quote[/b] (Vange Shrimper @ Nov. 07 2003,14:48)]Part from Sterophonics, Feeder are the best band to come out of Wales http://www2.shrimperzone.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

Durera, was jsut asking about U2 cos they keep on winning awards at the Brit awards and Ireland are part of the British Isles, are they not?&#33;&#33;&#33;
<span style='font-family:comic sans ms'>Graphically, but not politically? I always thought:

Britain = English, Scotland, Wales
United Kingdom = English, Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland
Great Britain = English, Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland

No? That&#39;s more supposition than knowledge though&#33;

Feeder from Wales?&#33;&#33; What about the Manic&#39;s?http://www2.shrimperzone.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif</span>
Vange Shrimper
07-11-2003, 02:58 PM
Quote[/b] (Durera @ Nov. 07 2003,14:53)]
Quote[/b] (Vange Shrimper @ Nov. 07 2003,14:48)]Part from Sterophonics, Feeder are the best band to come out of Wales http://www2.shrimperzone.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

Durera, was jsut asking about U2 cos they keep on winning awards at the Brit awards and Ireland are part of the British Isles, are they not?&#33;&#33;&#33;
<span style='font-family:comic sans ms'>Graphically, but not politically? I always thought:

Britain = English, Scotland, Wales
United Kingdom = English, Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland
Great Britain = English, Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland

No? That&#39;s more supposition than knowledge though&#33;

Feeder from Wales?&#33;&#33; What about the Manic&#39;s?http://www2.shrimperzone.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif</span>
Feeder are from Newport, well 2 of em was and ones from Japan http://www2.shrimperzone.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

Forgot about the Manics, yes they are the best from Wales.

Wessex, u cant count Electric Six - their American http://www2.shrimperzone.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
Adrian C
07-11-2003, 05:01 PM
Quote[/b] (Westcliff Shrimper @ Nov. 07 2003,10:56)]The Jam. End of story.

WS
I think I agree with you on that score.
footymad13
07-11-2003, 05:53 PM
erm well,

Status Quo, i do have a soft spot, perhaps not the best but my knewledge of all british rock bands isnt great.

Deep Purple, T-Rex are up there along with The Who (:;):)

however the best ever British band for me are The Bee Gees (Laugh some of you will but i am a big fan of them, not only did they sing but they wrote, superb classics and nice people, also conquered America something that is a big achievement for British bands)
Ron Manager
07-11-2003, 06:15 PM
Sorry for being ever so slightly controversial here guys, but what about a little known beat combo from Liverpool called The Beatles?

Apparently they were quite succesful in their day.......
TaffyBlue
07-11-2003, 06:17 PM
got to be Chaz n Dave&#33;&#33; http://www2.shrimperzone.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/blues.gif
ASHRIMPER
07-11-2003, 07:07 PM
for me personally it would have to be U2 who are huge in the UK and america.

But overall it has to be the beatles they were massive in their time and sold millions of records
carter_true_blue
08-11-2003, 12:12 AM
Quote[/b] (ASHRIMPER @ Nov. 07 2003,19:07)]for me personally it would have to be U2 who are huge in the UK and america.

But overall it has to be the beatles they were massive in their time and sold millions of records
very true u2 are quaility.
Durera
08-11-2003, 05:37 AM
Quote[/b] (carter_true_blue @ Nov. 08 2003,00:12)]
Quote[/b] (ASHRIMPER @ Nov. 07 2003,19:07)]for me personally it would have to be U2 who are huge in the UK and america.

But overall it has to be the beatles they were massive in their time and sold millions of records
very true u2 are quaility.
<span style='font-family:comic sans ms'>Maybe so, but they are not British&#33;</span>
carter_true_blue
08-11-2003, 06:41 AM
Quote[/b] (Durera @ Nov. 08 2003,05:37)]
Quote[/b] (carter_true_blue @ Nov. 08 2003,00:12)]
Quote[/b] (ASHRIMPER @ Nov. 07 2003,19:07)]for me personally it would have to be U2 who are huge in the UK and america.

But overall it has to be the beatles they were massive in their time and sold millions of records
very true u2 are quaility.
<span style='font-family:comic sans ms'>Maybe so, but they are not British&#33;</span>
shame sh*t happens http://www2.shrimperzone.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif i like them weather english or not.
LITTLEMAN
08-11-2003, 09:27 AM
Oasis for me. The Jam and Madness also up there as best
footymad13
08-11-2003, 08:44 PM
Quote[/b] (LITTLEMAN @ Nov. 08 2003,09:27)]Madness also up there as best
http://www2.shrimperzone.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/ghostface.gif

That is a bit worrying LM &#33;


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Alexis_SUFC
08-11-2003, 09:08 PM
T-Rex or Led Zep.

Alexis-16 going on 45
Sebastian Weetabix
08-11-2003, 11:54 PM
Quote[/b] (Westcliff Shrimper @ Nov. 07 2003,10:56)]The Jam. End of story.

WS
Not even close. The Jam were superb but only filled British venues, so don&#39;t even break into the top 10 of British bands. To quote a pharse &#39; We are a band who can fill a 100.000 capacity arena in any part of the world for five nights straight, not a one hit wonder who couldn&#39;t fill a f**king toilet&#39; A wonderful quote from Bruce d**kenson of Iron Maiden.

As much as I think Iron Maiden are the best British band ever, the truth is that Pink Floyd are without doubt the greatest crowd puller of all time.

Formed in 1966, Pink Floyd will still sell out any venue in the world at anytime. Still hold the record for the biggest crowd ever (145,000 in Rio De Janiro, I think 1978) and still the biggest pullers of real music fans after 37 years. Truely the real monsters of rock.
Durera
09-11-2003, 10:55 AM
Quote[/b] (footymad13 @ Nov. 08 2003,20:44)]
Quote[/b] (LITTLEMAN @ Nov. 08 2003,09:27)]Madness also up there as best
http://www2.shrimperzone.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/ghostface.gif

That is a bit worrying LM &#33;


http://www2.shrimperzone.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif
<span style='font-family:comic sans ms'>Why?? Don&#39;t get confused by the dirge that the w***er Suggs released on his own....</span>
The 4th man
09-11-2003, 10:02 PM
Quote[/b] (Sebastian Weetabix @ Nov. 08 2003,23:54)]
Quote[/b] (Westcliff Shrimper @ Nov. 07 2003,10:56)]The Jam. End of story.

WS
Not even close. The Jam were superb but only filled British venues, so don&#39;t even break into the top 10 of British bands. To quote a pharse &#39; We are a band who can fill a 100.000 capacity arena in any part of the world for five nights straight, not a one hit wonder who couldn&#39;t fill a f**king toilet&#39; A wonderful quote from Bruce d**kenson of Iron Maiden.

As much as I think Iron Maiden are the best British band ever, the truth is that Pink Floyd are without doubt the greatest crowd puller of all time.

Formed in 1966, Pink Floyd will still sell out any venue in the world at anytime. Still hold the record for the biggest crowd ever (145,000 in Rio De Janiro, I think 1978) and still the biggest pullers of real music fans after 37 years. Truely the real monsters of rock.
Ah alas my dear friend Queen pea on that .I believe they played to 150, 200 thousand people in Hyde park in 1976

They also hold the record for highest attended paying gig (though i think this has been broken) 131,000 Sau Paulo 1981 on their own tour (not the free rocking Rio gig (of which i also believed they played at and had a similar audience number to Hyde Park &#33;))

Queen are the greatest because they represent no age , political biased or social ideologey , in fact they represent nothing at all.


All ages come to pass, once the age ends so does its ziegiest &#33;
Bob Cratchitt
10-11-2003, 08:42 AM
Quote[/b] (Durera @ Nov. 07 2003,14:53)]Graphically, but not politically? I always thought:

Britain = English, Scotland, Wales
United Kingdom = English, Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland
Great Britain = English, Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland

No? That&#39;s more supposition than knowledge though&#33;
If you look at your passports people you would see that it states The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. Also if you can recall back to the hey days of &#39;Its A Knockout&#39; in the European competition, teams from England, Scotland or Wales wore GB red shirts whereas teams from Northern Ireland wore green NI shirts. http://www.shrimperzone.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

So we can summarise that

British Isles = Great Britain and Ireland(North and South)
United Kingdom = Great Britain and Northern Ireland
Great Britain = England, Scotland and Wales

And for the record my choice would have to be Queen for general appeal but my preffered choice would have been Iron Maiden who I am going to see this Dec http://www.shrimperzone.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/cool.gif
Sebastian Weetabix
10-11-2003, 03:23 PM
Quote[/b] (The 4th man @ Nov. 09 2003,22:02)]
Quote[/b] (Sebastian Weetabix @ Nov. 08 2003,23:54)]
Quote[/b] (Westcliff Shrimper @ Nov. 07 2003,10:56)]The Jam. End of story.

WS
Not even close. The Jam were superb but only filled British venues, so don&#39;t even break into the top 10 of British bands. To quote a pharse &#39; We are a band who can fill a 100.000 capacity arena in any part of the world for five nights straight, not a one hit wonder who couldn&#39;t fill a f**king toilet&#39; A wonderful quote from Bruce d**kenson of Iron Maiden.

As much as I think Iron Maiden are the best British band ever, the truth is that Pink Floyd are without doubt the greatest crowd puller of all time.

Formed in 1966, Pink Floyd will still sell out any venue in the world at anytime. Still hold the record for the biggest crowd ever (145,000 in Rio De Janiro, I think 1978) and still the biggest pullers of real music fans after 37 years. Truely the real monsters of rock.
Ah alas my dear friend Queen pea on that .I believe they *played to 150, 200 thousand people in Hyde park in 1976

They also hold the record for highest attended paying gig (though i think this has been broken) 131,000 Sau Paulo 1981 on their own tour (not the free rocking Rio gig (of which i also believed they played at and had a similar audience number to Hyde Park &#33;))

Queen are the greatest because they represent no age , political biased or social ideologey , in fact they represent nothing at all.


All ages come to pass, once the age ends so does its ziegiest &#33;
I bow to your superior knowledge. You wont hear me knocking Queen who were truely a great band with no preference for anything other than good music. You may have guessed that I am a Floyd fan and just a little biased.
10-11-2003, 05:00 PM
The Clash.
LITTLEMAN
10-11-2003, 07:20 PM
Quote[/b] (Durera @ Nov. 09 2003,10:55)]
Quote[/b] (footymad13 @ Nov. 08 2003,20:44)]
Quote[/b] (LITTLEMAN @ Nov. 08 2003,09:27)]Madness also up there as best
http://www.shrimperzone.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/ghostface.gif

That is a bit worrying LM &#33;


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<span style='font-family:comic sans ms'>Why?? Don&#39;t get confused by the dirge that the w***er Suggs released on his own....</span>
How is he a w***er ?
Matt the Shrimp
10-11-2003, 07:20 PM
Quote[/b] (Mad Cyril @ Nov. 07 2003,14:32)]Feeder are so sh*t I don&#39;t know where to start.

He&#39;s got a CD player, player, player, player.

Strokers.

If they came down my local they wouldn&#39;t get 7 days in the sun.

They&#39;d get 3 weeks in hospital.
Blimey, JR - your local sounds well rough. First it was Sting getting a dry slap, now it&#39;s Feeder getting 3 weeks in Southend General&#33;

Best band? The Beatles. One of the most influential musical groups of the 20th Century whose output will be studied by our grandchildren&#39;s grandchildren.

No. 2? The Sex Pistols, simply for their massive influence on culture, fashion, politics and music.

As much as I admire hugely talented and successful British bands such as the Stones, the Jam, the Who, Led Zep, Pink Floyd, Queen, Genesis, Radiohead, Coldplay etc, I&#39;d be surprised if you could say that about any of those bands; maybe only &quot;Stairway to Heaven&quot; will continue to be played in 100 years&#39; time.

Matt

P.S. VS - nope, I don&#39;t think you can call U2 a British band, nor (I imagine) would they want to be called one.
Yorkshire Blue
10-11-2003, 08:06 PM
Quote[/b] (Matt the Shrimp @ Nov. 10 2003,19:20)]As much as I admire hugely talented and successful British bands such as the Stones, the Jam, the Who, Led Zep, Pink Floyd, Queen, Genesis,
Matt - are you trying to make Mad Cyril get mad?
Matt the Shrimp
10-11-2003, 08:30 PM
Quote[/b] (Yorkshire Blue @ Nov. 10 2003,20:06)]
Quote[/b] (Matt the Shrimp @ Nov. 10 2003,19:20)]As much as I admire hugely talented and successful British bands such as the Stones, the Jam, the Who, Led Zep, Pink Floyd, Queen, Genesis, *
Matt - are you trying to make Mad Cyril get mad?
I am thinking Genesis in Gabriel days, when they were (a) one of the biggest rock acts in the country, and (b) not MOR at all.

I agree, they went a bit mainstream once Phil the Slaphead took over at the steering wheel...

Still, JR and I are never going to agree about our tastes in music, so I&#39;m not going to start trying to appease him now...

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Matt
Mad Cyril
11-11-2003, 08:16 AM
Quote[/b] (LITTLEMAN @ Nov. 10 2003,19:20)]
Quote[/b] (Durera @ Nov. 09 2003,10:55)]
Quote[/b] (footymad13 @ Nov. 08 2003,20:44)]
Quote[/b] (LITTLEMAN @ Nov. 08 2003,09:27)]Madness also up there as best
http://www.shrimperzone.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/ghostface.gif

That is a bit worrying LM &#33;


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<span style='font-family:comic sans ms'>Why?? Don&#39;t get confused by the dirge that the w***er Suggs released on his own....</span>
How is he a w***er ?
How about that program he does on channel five for starters?

How about that cover of Cecilia he did for the main course?
Matt the Shrimp
11-11-2003, 09:33 AM
Quote[/b] (Mad Cyril @ Nov. 11 2003,08:16)]How about that program he does on channel five for starters?

How about that cover of Cecilia he did for the main course?
And &quot;Blue Day&quot; for dessert...?

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Matt
Mad Cyril
11-11-2003, 09:45 AM
Quote[/b] (Matt the Shrimp @ Nov. 11 2003,09:33)]
Quote[/b] (Mad Cyril @ Nov. 11 2003,08:16)]How about that program he does on channel five for starters?

How about that cover of Cecilia he did for the main course?
And &quot;Blue Day&quot; for dessert...?

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Matt
Check-mate Littleman&#33;

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Napster
11-11-2003, 09:49 AM
Quote[/b] (Matt the Shrimp @ Nov. 10 2003,19:20)]No. 2? *The Sex Pistols, simply for their massive influence on culture, fashion, politics and music.
Despite them copying everything from The New York Dolls, Ian Dury and the Blockheads (check out Johnny Rotten&#39;s microphone stance), Iggy Pop, MC5, etc, etc...

They were only thought to be influential because they got so much tabloid media coverage in the UK. They certainly weren&#39;t the first.
Matt the Shrimp
11-11-2003, 10:16 AM
Quote[/b] (Napster @ Nov. 11 2003,09:49)]
Quote[/b] (Matt the Shrimp @ Nov. 10 2003,19:20)]No. 2? *The Sex Pistols, simply for their massive influence on culture, fashion, politics and music.
Despite them copying everything from The New York Dolls, Ian Dury and the Blockheads (check out Johnny Rotten&#39;s microphone stance), Iggy Pop, MC5, etc, etc...

They were only thought to be influential because they got so much tabloid media coverage in the UK. They certainly weren&#39;t the first.
Maybe not. *But being a pioneer doesn&#39;t necessarily mean you get the plaudits.

John Mayall&#39;s Bluesbreakers were groundbreaking in their use of Blues music in white man&#39;s Anglo-rock. *But how many people have heard of them as opposed to the Rolling Stones - who certainly weren&#39;t innovators in the sense that the Bluesbreakers had been?

The Pistols may well have drawn on loads of different threads which were not their own in order to reach their end product; but they were the ones who did that most tellingly and with the most lasting impact.

Don&#39;t get me wrong - I think Ian Dury &amp; the Blockheads are brilliant; but its the Pistols who, ultimately, have had the longer lasting and more widespread impact, and even if few of their ideas in isolation could be said to be their own, the pulling together and subsequent presentation of those ideas was their own inspiration and legacy.

Matt
Napster
11-11-2003, 10:34 AM
Quote[/b] (Matt the Shrimp @ Nov. 11 2003,10:16)]
Quote[/b] (Napster @ Nov. 11 2003,09:49)]
Quote[/b] (Matt the Shrimp @ Nov. 10 2003,19:20)]No. 2? *The Sex Pistols, simply for their massive influence on culture, fashion, politics and music.
Despite them copying everything from The New York Dolls, Ian Dury and the Blockheads (check out Johnny Rotten&#39;s microphone stance), Iggy Pop, MC5, etc, etc...

They were only thought to be influential because they got so much tabloid media coverage in the UK. They certainly weren&#39;t the first.
Maybe not. *But being a pioneer doesn&#39;t necessarily mean you get the plaudits.

John Mayall&#39;s Bluesbreakers were groundbreaking in their use of Blues music in white man&#39;s Anglo-rock. *But how many people have heard of them as opposed to the Rolling Stones - who certainly weren&#39;t innovators in the sense that the Bluesbreakers had been?

The Pistols may well have drawn on loads of different threads which were not their own in order to reach their end product; but they were the ones who did that most tellingly and with the most lasting impact.

Don&#39;t get me wrong - I think Ian Dury &amp; the Blockheads are brilliant; but its the Pistols who, ultimately, have had the longer lasting and more widespread impact, and even if few of their ideas in isolation could be said to be their own, the pulling together and subsequent presentation of those ideas was their own inspiration and legacy.

Matt
Well, for all that thank Malcolm McLaren, not the Sex Pistols.
Durera
11-11-2003, 10:43 AM
Quote[/b] (Mad Cyril @ Nov. 11 2003,09:45)]
Quote[/b] (Matt the Shrimp @ Nov. 11 2003,09:33)]
Quote[/b] (Mad Cyril @ Nov. 11 2003,08:16)]How about that program he does on channel five for starters?

How about that cover of Cecilia he did for the main course?
And &quot;Blue Day&quot; for dessert...?

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Matt
Check-mate Littleman&#33;

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<span style='font-family:comic sans ms'>Need I say more?&#33;</span>
Matt the Shrimp
11-11-2003, 11:11 AM
Quote[/b] (Napster @ Nov. 11 2003,10:34)]
Quote[/b] (Matt the Shrimp @ Nov. 11 2003,10:16)]The Pistols may well have drawn on loads of different threads which were not their own in order to reach their end product; but they were the ones who did that most tellingly and with the most lasting impact.

...even if few of their ideas in isolation could be said to be their own, the pulling together and subsequent presentation of those ideas was their own inspiration and legacy.

Matt
Well, for all that thank Malcolm McLaren, not the Sex Pistols.
Maybe. Still, does that make him the Stock, Aitken &amp; Waterman of the punk era?

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P.S. Seriously, even if it was his inspiration, you&#39;ve got to have the right band and right personnel to carry the vision out. So it was McLaren + the Pistols who made it a success, not either part of the equation on its own. To make a SAW comparison, looking at the long term pop career - SAW + Kylie = hit; SAW + Rick Astley = miss.
Napster
11-11-2003, 11:27 AM
Quote[/b] (Matt the Shrimp @ Nov. 11 2003,11:11)]
Quote[/b] (Napster @ Nov. 11 2003,10:34)]
Quote[/b] (Matt the Shrimp @ Nov. 11 2003,10:16)]The Pistols may well have drawn on loads of different threads which were not their own in order to reach their end product; but they were the ones who did that most tellingly and with the most lasting impact.

...even if few of their ideas in isolation could be said to be their own, the pulling together and subsequent presentation of those ideas was their own inspiration and legacy.

Matt
Well, for all that thank Malcolm McLaren, not the Sex Pistols.
Maybe. *Still, does that make him the Stock, Aitken &amp; Waterman of the punk era?

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Matt

P.S. *Seriously, even if it was his inspiration, you&#39;ve got to have the right band and right personnel to carry the vision out. *So it was McLaren + the Pistols who made it a success, not either part of the equation on its own. *To make a SAW comparison, looking at the long term pop career - SAW + Kylie = hit; SAW + Rick Astley = miss.
Interesting argument. But I don&#39;t subscribe to it. Producers can make anyone successful. Even the Cheeky Girls.

Record companies see a marketable niche and target it. Musical movements, e.g. nu-metal, aren&#39;t formed by artistic boundaries, but by marketing campaigns and clearly identifiable target groups. Twas ever thus, even before Elvis (BE). Producers are the tool of the record companies.

One massive change that has influenced the music industry has been the demise of pub rock and the increasing importance of pop. Pop has always been around, but only really took off big time in the 1980s. (Thanks to SAW). This coincided however, with the rise of the supergroup and the stadium gigs. All of a sudden, music became a mega industry rather than an entertainment. Record companies had to chase the mega buck. Enter the producer. Enter the business.

You don&#39;t have to have the right band anymore. Musical talent is eschewed for &quot;looks&quot; and &quot;personality&quot;. There is a clear schism between the singles and the album markets- singles are pop, albums are MOR and everything else. The reason- children but pop, adults buy MOR, etc. Producers make pop. Children demand pop. Record companies make a mint of the market.

Long term career means nothing- take Kylie, as an example. For ages she did nothing at all. It was only in 2000 that she made a comeback. But she did well for herself, as all the artists and bands coming back for a piece of action now are those whose fans are willing to pay for a new album. Those who grew up with the band. (Iron Maiden, anyone). Those who aren&#39;t kids anymore and can but the DVDs, the memorabilia, and can fork out money for a reunion gig for themselves.

Here endeth my sermon. Respect.
Andu
11-11-2003, 12:44 PM
Quote[/b] (Napster @ Nov. 11 2003,11:27)]Musical talent is eschewed for &quot;looks&quot; and &quot;personality&quot;.
Don&#39;t you think that this is part of the reason for the current decline in the music industry?
Napster
11-11-2003, 12:47 PM
Quote[/b] (Andu @ Nov. 11 2003,12:44)]
Quote[/b] (Napster @ Nov. 11 2003,11:27)]Musical talent is eschewed for &quot;looks&quot; and &quot;personality&quot;.
Don&#39;t you think that this is part of the reason for the current decline in the music industry?
Yes. Absolutely. But it is only a decline for us music fans who cherish music for music&#39;s sake rather than for pop-lovers, and the record industry itself.

It&#39;s a shame Napster was taken out of the equation- that was the perfect solution...
Napster
11-11-2003, 12:49 PM
In fact Baudrillard got it right...

Culture and cynicism (http://www.uta.edu/english/hawk/semiotics/baud.htm)
Matt the Shrimp
11-11-2003, 08:20 PM
Quote[/b] (Napster @ Nov. 11 2003,11:27)]Interesting argument. But I don&#39;t subscribe to it. Producers can make anyone successful. Even the Cheeky Girls.

You don&#39;t have to have the right band anymore. Musical talent is eschewed for &quot;looks&quot; and &quot;personality&quot;.
Hang on, Naps - are we talking instant success here, or bands that are entitled to call themselves &quot;Best of British&quot;?

Undoubtedly, a top producer can take any old mutant with no talent and make them a star. *Posh Beckham and Damon Dash, anyone? *Indeed, SAW considered it to be their sport to do it: Rick Astley was the tea boy at their studios, and they took him to no. 1...

But, no matter how good a producer is, they cannot take someone without discernible talent and turn them into an artist or a band that becomes a Best of British - a band with the longevity and impact that means that it leaves a lasting effect on the British - indeed world - music scene.

And when I say &quot;impact&quot;, I mean an impact that is felt decades later.

The Sex Pistols&#39; impact is still felt today. *Kids still know who they are, still buy those &quot;God Save the Queen&quot; posters and stick them on the wall. *They were a massive cultural phenomenon at the time, and the ripples of that are felt today.

If people remember who the Cheeky Girls are in 3 years&#39; time, I&#39;d be amazed. *For example, people are already forgetting about Steps - the zenith of the produced band. *They&#39;ll be gone from kids&#39; memories completely by this time next year.

Matt

P.S. Thank goodness that, occasionally, certain bands still buck the trend. *I&#39;m thinking Radiohead in particular here - who fail miserably on the looks and personality tests, but who are one of the best British bands around at the moment, and who may well be talked about in years to come...
Matt the Shrimp
11-11-2003, 08:23 PM
Quote[/b] (Napster @ Nov. 11 2003,12:47)]It&#39;s a shame Napster was taken out of the equation - the perfect solution...
Such modesty... Indeed, only the truly conceited refer to themselves in the third person...

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Matt
Matt the Shrimp
11-11-2003, 08:29 PM
Quote[/b] (Napster @ Nov. 11 2003,12:49)]In fact Baudrillard got it right...

Culture and cynicism (http://www.uta.edu/english/hawk/semiotics/baud.htm)
Indeed he did. Sobering stuff... very Orwellian.

Surely Byron Hawk meant to say &quot;nullification&quot; rather than &quot;unification&quot; in the last line of the piece?

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Matt
Yorkshire Blue
11-11-2003, 08:34 PM
Quote[/b] (Matt the Shrimp @ Nov. 11 2003,20:20)]I&#39;m thinking Radiohead in particular here - who fail miserably
They wouldn&#39;t have failure any other way http://www.shrimperzone.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

ps Stop talking to yourself http://www.shrimperzone.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif
Matt the Shrimp
11-11-2003, 08:40 PM
Quote[/b] (Yorkshire Blue @ Nov. 11 2003,20:34)]ps Stop talking to yourself *http://www.shrimperzone.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif
I&#39;m not - I&#39;m having a time-delayed conversation with Naps...

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OK, I&#39;m going bananas, I&#39;m off home.

Matt
Matt the Shrimp
11-11-2003, 08:42 PM
Quote[/b] (Yorkshire Blue @ Nov. 11 2003,20:34)]
Quote[/b] (Matt the Shrimp @ Nov. 11 2003,20:20)]I&#39;m thinking Radiohead in particular here - who fail miserably
They wouldn&#39;t have failure any other way http://www.shrimperzone.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
* ba-dum-tiss *

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Matt

P.S. Actually, as puns go, that&#39;s pretty good&#33;
BoyWonder2
11-11-2003, 08:59 PM
I&#39;d have to say Queen is the greatest band ever.
Napster
12-11-2003, 09:40 AM
Quote[/b] (Matt the Shrimp @ Nov. 11 2003,20:23)]
Quote[/b] (Napster @ Nov. 11 2003,12:47)]It&#39;s a shame Napster was taken out of the equation - the perfect solution...
Such modesty... Indeed, only the truly conceited refer to themselves in the third person...

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Matt
Hahaha. Knew someone would pick up on that.

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Napster
12-11-2003, 09:42 AM
Quote[/b] (Matt the Shrimp @ Nov. 11 2003,20:29)]
Quote[/b] (Napster @ Nov. 11 2003,12:49)]In fact Baudrillard got it right...

Culture and cynicism (http://www.uta.edu/english/hawk/semiotics/baud.htm)
Indeed he did. *Sobering stuff... very Orwellian.

Surely Byron Hawk meant to say &quot;nullification&quot; rather than &quot;unification&quot; in the last line of the piece?

http://www.shrimperzone.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif

Matt
Well in the context, nullification and unification are the same thing, as there is no distinction, therefore the barriers are moulded back into the concept...

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Napster
12-11-2003, 09:45 AM
Quote[/b] (Matt the Shrimp @ Nov. 11 2003,20:20)]
Quote[/b] (Napster @ Nov. 11 2003,11:27)]Interesting argument. But I don&#39;t subscribe to it. Producers can make anyone successful. Even the Cheeky Girls.

You don&#39;t have to have the right band anymore. Musical talent is eschewed for &quot;looks&quot; and &quot;personality&quot;.
Hang on, Naps - are we talking instant success here, or bands that are entitled to call themselves &quot;Best of British&quot;?

Undoubtedly, a top producer can take any old mutant with no talent and make them a star. *Posh Beckham and Damon Dash, anyone? *Indeed, SAW considered it to be their sport to do it: Rick Astley was the tea boy at their studios, and they took him to no. 1...

But, no matter how good a producer is, they cannot take someone without discernible talent and turn them into an artist or a band that becomes a Best of British - a band with the longevity and impact that means that it leaves a lasting effect on the British - indeed world - music scene.

And when I say &quot;impact&quot;, I mean an impact that is felt decades later.

The Sex Pistols&#39; impact is still felt today. *Kids still know who they are, still buy those &quot;God Save the Queen&quot; posters and stick them on the wall. *They were a massive cultural phenomenon at the time, and the ripples of that are felt today.

If people remember who the Cheeky Girls are in 3 years&#39; time, I&#39;d be amazed. *For example, people are already forgetting about Steps - the zenith of the produced band. *They&#39;ll be gone from kids&#39; memories completely by this time next year.

Matt

P.S. Thank goodness that, occasionally, certain bands still buck the trend. *I&#39;m thinking Radiohead in particular here - who fail miserably on the looks and personality tests, but who are one of the best British bands around at the moment, and who may well be talked about in years to come...
Yeah alright. Good point.
BrettieAngell
12-11-2003, 09:40 PM
Napalm Death are the best British band ever http://www.shrimperzone.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif
The Artful Shrimper
12-11-2003, 10:50 PM
Quote[/b] (BrettieAngell @ Nov. 12 2003,21:40)]Napalm Death are the best British band ever *http://www.shrimperzone.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif
I went to see Napalm Death at ilford once, and after stage diving from a stack of Marshall speakers landed into the pointy elbow of pointy elbow Lil from boney Elbow land....

Spinal Tap are the BAND of Britain
SMELL THE GLOVE- the quintessential rock album upon which all others are judged.
Sebastian Weetabix
12-11-2003, 11:45 PM
Quote[/b] (The Artful Shrimper @ Nov. 12 2003,22:50)]
Quote[/b] (BrettieAngell @ Nov. 12 2003,21:40)]Napalm Death are the best British band ever *http://www.shrimperzone.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif
I went to see Napalm Death at ilford once, and after stage diving from a stack of Marshall speakers landed into the pointy elbow of pointy elbow Lil from boney Elbow land....

Spinal Tap are the BAND of Britain
SMELL THE GLOVE- the quintessential rock album upon which all others are judged.
You as well eh? Staged dived at a Napalm Death gig and every ******* in attendance got out of the way. Land flat on my face and spent about 2 minutes gasping for air before the St Johns Ambulance came to the rescue. In screaming pain was rushed to the carpark and screamed at with phrases of &#39;Can you hear me&#39; ( Cause I can&#39;t, it was so loud in there i&#39;ve gone bloody deaf) Thought it better to go home after treatment and regained my hearing 3 days later and resumed normal breathing about a week after that. I think it was a good night.
Sebastian Weetabix
12-11-2003, 11:47 PM
Spinal Tap. &#39;Hail to the fivth member of the band, IT&#39;S YOU&#33;&#39;
Durera
13-11-2003, 10:35 AM
Quote[/b] (Sebastian Weetabix @ Nov. 12 2003,23:45)]
Quote[/b] (The Artful Shrimper @ Nov. 12 2003,22:50)]
Quote[/b] (BrettieAngell @ Nov. 12 2003,21:40)]Napalm Death are the best British band ever *http://www.shrimperzone.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif
I went to see Napalm Death at ilford once, and after stage diving from a stack of Marshall speakers landed into the pointy elbow of pointy elbow Lil from boney Elbow land....

Spinal Tap are the BAND of Britain
SMELL THE GLOVE- the quintessential rock album upon which all others are judged.
You as well eh? Staged dived at a Napalm Death gig and every ******* in attendance got out of the way. Land flat on my face and spent about 2 minutes gasping for air before the St Johns Ambulance came to the rescue. In screaming pain was rushed to the carpark and screamed at with phrases of &#39;Can you hear me&#39; ( Cause I can&#39;t, it was so loud in there i&#39;ve gone bloody deaf) Thought it better to go home after treatment and regained my hearing 3 days later and resumed normal breathing about a week after that. I think it was a good night.
<span style='font-family:comic sans ms'>Hehe&#33; That happened to my mate at Hole at Brixton Academy in about 94-96? What was funny was that I went over, about 17 stone at the time fine, he stepped up at about 8 stone, and they let him drop&#33; He was sparko for about 5 minutes, came to and was fine afterwards...</span>
BILLERICAY BLUE
13-11-2003, 01:37 PM
Quote[/b] (Matt the Shrimp @ Nov. 10 2003,19:20)]As much as I admire hugely talented and successful British bands such as the Stones, the Jam, the Who, Led Zep, Pink Floyd, Queen, Genesis, Radiohead, Coldplay etc, I&#39;d be surprised if you could say that about any of those bands; maybe only &quot;Stairway to Heaven&quot; will continue to be played in 100 years&#39; time.

Matt
Matt,

I think Bohemian Raphsody may well still be played in a 100 years time, it has to be one of the most distinctive singles ever written, pure Mercury magic http://www.shrimperzone.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

BB
Matt the Shrimp
13-11-2003, 02:12 PM
You may have a point, BB&#33;

Matt
Westcliff Shrimper
13-11-2003, 02:35 PM
Quote[/b] (Matt the Shrimp @ Nov. 10 2003,19:20)]As much as I admire hugely talented and successful British bands such as the Stones, the Jam, the Who, Led Zep, Pink Floyd, Queen, Genesis, Radiohead, Coldplay etc, I&#39;d be surprised if you could say that about any of those bands; maybe only &quot;Stairway to Heaven&quot; will continue to be played in 100 years&#39; time.
Going Underground?

WS

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BILLERICAY BLUE
14-11-2003, 08:49 AM
Quote[/b] (Westcliff Shrimper @ Nov. 13 2003,14:35)]
Quote[/b] (Matt the Shrimp @ Nov. 10 2003,19:20)]As much as I admire hugely talented and successful British bands such as the Stones, the Jam, the Who, Led Zep, Pink Floyd, Queen, Genesis, Radiohead, Coldplay etc, I&#39;d be surprised if you could say that about any of those bands; maybe only &quot;Stairway to Heaven&quot; will continue to be played in 100 years&#39; time.
Going Underground?

WS

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Can&#39;t argue with the fact that it&#39;s a great track, whether it would still be played in a 100 years time is a moot point. The Jam would certainly be in my top 5 bands. Even without knowing any of thier album tracks, the sheer amount of quality singles would be enough.