Pakistanis at it

[The General]

Caught deliberately f%&king with the pitch. Im sure you'll see it on TV later on as it really is as obvious as it comes.

Eng lost Trescro now as well and need a big innings from Pietersen.

[C C Csiders]

Looks like Afridi had a severe case of Saturday Night Fever.

The match referee ought to come down on him with severe force, and tonight- not wait until the end of the match. A one-match ban should be the minimum.

We are now in the position of needing centuries from at least two of Bell, Pietersen and Flintoff to pull this around. http://www.shrimperzone.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif

[Matt the Shrimp]

113/3 is not great - we need another 150 just to avoid the follow-on.

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[The Flying Scotsman]

Mmmmm, somethings changed here. I thought the original was a bit harsh! Kev - We'll have to have words.

[Matt the Shrimp]

Quote[/b] (The Flying Scotsman @ Nov. 21 2005,14:10)]Mmmmm, somethings changed here. I thought the original was a bit harsh! Kev - We'll have to have words.
Yes it has, because it could be construed as racist - and Kev ought to know better.

Matt

[The General]

Im not a racist so get over it.

[The Flying Scotsman]

whatever white boy!

[Matt the Shrimp]

Quote[/b] (The General @ Nov. 21 2005,11:00)]Caught deliberately f%&king with the pitch. Im sure you'll see it on TV later on as it really is as obvious as it comes.
Spot on, Kev:

Shahid Afridi banned - Sportinglife (http://www.sportinglife.com/story_get.cgi?STORY_NAME=cricket/05/11/21/manual_173143.html)

He is a very stupid boy, particularly after having made such a big impact with the bat in the first innings.

Matt

[canveyshrimper]

I am just amazed that the ban does not come into immediate effect, after all it is this test match that he is trying to influence with his actions.

England 271/4 - Pietersen out for 100, hooked Akhtar for a 6 for his ton and tried to repeat it next ball and got out. Ian Bell 85no, who said he could not play test cricket?

[HUTTON]

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[C C Csiders]

Excellent performance today to be 391-7 at the close.

See my earlier post and you willsee that I am a soothsayer. 2 out of 3 of Bell, Pietersen and Flintoff did score centuries. On top of that Afridi is banned for the next Test.

Today's prediction is that we will end up with a first innings lead and put great pressure on Pakistan from there.

[canveyshrimper]

Quote[/b] (C C Csiders @ Nov. 22 2005,12:01)]Excellent performance today to be 391-7 at the close.

See my earlier post and you willsee that I am a soothsayer. 2 out of 3 of Bell, Pietersen and Flintoff did score centuries. On top of that Afridi is banned for the next Test.

Today's prediction is that we will end up with a first innings lead and put great pressure on Pakistan from there.
Well done, can you let me have the lottery numbers please.

If the last three can get us close to level or a lead, then it all comes down to whether Pakistan will make a game of it, or if England can knock them over cheaply.

I am glad that Afridi copped a ban, but he should have been thrown out of this match.

[C C Csiders]

Quote[/b] (canveyshrimper @ Nov. 22 2005,12:09)]
Quote[/b] (C C Csiders @ Nov. 22 2005,12:01)]Excellent performance today to be 391-7 at the close.

See my earlier post and you willsee that I am a soothsayer. 2 out of 3 of Bell, Pietersen and Flintoff did score centuries. On top of that Afridi is banned for the next Test.

Today's prediction is that we will end up with a first innings lead and put great pressure on Pakistan from there.
Well done, can you let me have the lottery numbers please.

If the last three can get us close to level or a lead, then it all comes down to whether Pakistan will make a game of it, or if England can knock them over cheaply.

I am glad that Afridi copped a ban, but he should have been thrown out of this match.
Well, I can't tell youthem because youwould end up sharing the jackpotwith everyoneelse whoreads this post, and it wouldn't be worth it. #42 will come up though http://www.shrimperzone.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/ghostface.gif

[Museshrimper]

I think Afridi should have his 92 runs taken from Pakistan's score as well as being banned from the rest of the match so it really does affect him and them, which would put people off trying it again.

[HUTTON]

Quote[/b] (C C Csiders @ Nov. 22 2005,12:21)]#42 will come up though http://www.shrimperzone.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/ghostface.gif
i will hold you to that

[Museshrimper]

Well Afridi got 4 wickets on his self prepared pitch, so banning him for the next test only may not matter as we aint gonna win this one.

[canveyshrimper]

87/1 a lead of just over 100, unless something spectacular happens this will be a draw.

You can bet your bottom dollar that Inzy won't declare until Pakistan are at least 300+ ahead and probably with about 65 overs left in the game.

[The General]

Freddy gets 2 in 2 and half the crowd walk out in disgust. Great stuff.

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[Matt the Shrimp]

166/5 now... superb stuff from Freddy - 3/40 in 16 overs on a flat pitch, including the dangerous Afridi, bowled for a first-ball duck. One apiece for Hoggy & Udal.

An England win is still really unlikely, it has to be said... but we'll see.

Matt

[canveyshrimper]

With the light going so quickly there will only be about another half hour left today.

If we can knock over Inzy tonight then it is game on.

Though agree it is unlikely that England will win.

[OlvisIII]

Last four need to be wrapped up within first hour with no more than 230 lead. Our big guns will have to come up trumps then with some quick runs. I'd love it if we turn them over - we could run off the pitch doing chicken impressions a la shoaib ahktar. How much would you have given big Kev to land one on him?!!

[Matt the Shrimp]

Well, 183/6... Harmy picked up a wicket just before the close.

However, it wasn't Inzy. Pak are 199 ahead with 4 wickets in the bag. First session tomorrow morning is pivotal. Alas, by the time that the new ball is available, the early morning mists will have cleared - so that will be little use to Hoggy. So, I reckon Freddy will need to tear in from the off and try to get a bit of reverse; and maybe Udal at the other end...?

Still, you've got to hand it to both sides and the groundsman. This is the second test running which has gone into the 5th day on an absolute knife-edge, with all three results still very much a possibility.

That is proper Test criggit, that is - as Geoffrey might say.

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[canveyshrimper]

Inzy will have a point to prove after his controversial first innings dismissal. However he can't bat at both ends.

Another top effort from the bowlers on a flat deck which despite the best attentions of Shahid Afridi has lasted well. England really need to polish the last 4 off double quick and hope they don't make a balls of the chase as they did in Multan.

All 4 results are a possibility.

[C C Csiders]

Quote[/b] (C C Csiders @ Nov. 22 2005,12:21)]
Quote[/b] (canveyshrimper @ Nov. 22 2005,12:09)]
Quote[/b] (C C Csiders @ Nov. 22 2005,12:01)]Excellent performance today to be 391-7 at the close.

See my earlier post and you willsee that I am a soothsayer. 2 out of 3 of Bell, Pietersen and Flintoff did score centuries. On top of that Afridi is banned for the next Test.

Today's prediction is that we will end up with a first innings lead and put great pressure on Pakistan from there.
Well done, can you let me have the lottery numbers please.

If the last three can get us close to level or a lead, then it all comes down to whether Pakistan will make a game of it, or if England can knock them over cheaply.

I am glad that Afridi copped a ban, but he should have been thrown out of this match.
Well, I can't tell youthem because youwould end up sharing the jackpotwith everyoneelse whoreads this post, and it wouldn't be worth it. #42 will come up though http://www.shrimperzone.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/ghostface.gif
This is getting scary. 42 was drawn.

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Anyway 107/5 at tea. Pietersen out just before tea.

I would think an hour and a half at most to negotiate. We ought to be good enough to do that.

[canveyshrimper]

Quote[/b] (C C Csiders @ Nov. 24 2005,10:01)]
Quote[/b] (C C Csiders @ Nov. 22 2005,12:21)]
Quote[/b] (canveyshrimper @ Nov. 22 2005,12:09)]
Quote[/b] (C C Csiders @ Nov. 22 2005,12:01)]Excellent performance today to be 391-7 at the close.

See my earlier post and you willsee that I am a soothsayer. 2 out of 3 of Bell, Pietersen and Flintoff did score centuries. On top of that Afridi is banned for the next Test.

Today's prediction is that we will end up with a first innings lead and put great pressure on Pakistan from there.
Well done, can you let me have the lottery numbers please.

If the last three can get us close to level or a lead, then it all comes down to whether Pakistan will make a game of it, or if England can knock them over cheaply.

I am glad that Afridi copped a ban, but he should have been thrown out of this match.
Well, I can't tell youthem because youwould end up sharing the jackpotwith everyoneelse whoreads this post, and it wouldn't be worth it. #42 will come up though http://www.shrimperzone.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/ghostface.gif
This is getting scary. 42 was drawn.

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Anyway 107/5 at tea. Pietersen out just before tea.

I would think an hour and a half at most to negotiate. We ought to be good enough to do that.
121/5 about 80 minutes or so to survive, Freddie 50not out.

Will await your further lottery predictions with interest.

[MrB]

Only Freddie would club 3 successive 4's in this position!

[C C Csiders]

Quote[/b] (MrB @ Nov. 24 2005,10:45)]Only Freddie would club 3 successive 4's in this position!
But he is now out for 56. I would think 40 minutes max. to survival.

[MrB]

There goes Freddie, going to be tough now.

[The General]

Im going to be brave and watch it. Kind of.

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[C C Csiders]

Got away with it to a certain extent with the Match Drawn with us 160odd-6 when bad light stopped play.

We will be missing Strauss for the Third Test, and the break will do him good it would seem prior to going off toIndia in the New Year. Vaughan will open I assume, but he desperately needs to get himself in nick. Be interesting to see who comes in as the extra batter. I guess they will return to Collingwood as Ali Cook may prove a gamble too soon.

It would be good to win the toss for once and get a big score on the board and put the pressure on Pakistan.If we can do that I think we will level the series.

[Matt the Shrimp]

Perhaps it was a bit self-indulgent of Inzy to go for his second ton of the game...? If they'd given themselves another half an hour with the ball (and given England a slightly more tempting target to chase), perhaps they might have got the remaining four wickets...

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Oh well, our record of straight series wins (7) is now at an end; but that's OK. Would be nice to level the series; that way, if there is an Eng-Pak trophy (surely it should be the Gatting-Rana trophy... http://www.shrimperzone.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif ), we'd retain it.

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[canveyshrimper]

I don't think it ever entered Inzy's head to over England a glimmer of hope. Setting around 280 off 65 overs and knowing the light would go would do the trick, no echoes of Karachi 2000.

I like the suggestion of the FatGatt - Rana trophy.

I would think it likely that Vaughan will move up to open in the 3rd Test with Collingwood coming in to bat at 4. Injuries or illness aside i do not think that Ali Cook will get a go, probably rightly so as well, but it would be a bold option to go for.

[HUTTON]

Quote[/b] (C C Csiders @ Nov. 24 2005,10:01)]
Quote[/b] (C C Csiders @ Nov. 22 2005,12:21)]
Quote[/b] (canveyshrimper @ Nov. 22 2005,12:09)]
Quote[/b] (C C Csiders @ Nov. 22 2005,12:01)]Excellent performance today to be 391-7 at the close.

See my earlier post and you willsee that I am a soothsayer. 2 out of 3 of Bell, Pietersen and Flintoff did score centuries. On top of that Afridi is banned for the next Test.

Today's prediction is that we will end up with a first innings lead and put great pressure on Pakistan from there.
Well done, can you let me have the lottery numbers please.

If the last three can get us close to level or a lead, then it all comes down to whether Pakistan will make a game of it, or if England can knock them over cheaply.

I am glad that Afridi copped a ban, but he should have been thrown out of this match.
Well, I can't tell youthem because youwould end up sharing the jackpotwith everyoneelse whoreads this post, and it wouldn't be worth it. #42 will come up though http://www.shrimperzone.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/ghostface.gif
This is getting scary. 42 was drawn.

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Anyway 107/5 at tea. Pietersen out just before tea.

I would think an hour and a half at most to negotiate. We ought to be good enough to do that.
wats the bonus ball saturday

[C C Csiders]

Quote[/b] (SUFCHUTTON @ Nov. 24 2005,20:28)]
Quote[/b] (C C Csiders @ Nov. 24 2005,10:01)]
Quote[/b] (C C Csiders @ Nov. 22 2005,12:21)]
Quote[/b] (canveyshrimper @ Nov. 22 2005,12:09)]
Quote[/b] (C C Csiders @ Nov. 22 2005,12:01)]Excellent performance today to be 391-7 at the close.

See my earlier post and you willsee that I am a soothsayer. 2 out of 3 of Bell, Pietersen and Flintoff did score centuries. On top of that Afridi is banned for the next Test.

Today's prediction is that we will end up with a first innings lead and put great pressure on Pakistan from there.
Well done, can you let me have the lottery numbers please.

If the last three can get us close to level or a lead, then it all comes down to whether Pakistan will make a game of it, or if England can knock them over cheaply.

I am glad that Afridi copped a ban, but he should have been thrown out of this match.
Well, I can't tell youthem because youwould end up sharing the jackpotwith everyoneelse whoreads this post, and it wouldn't be worth it. #42 will come up though http://www.shrimperzone.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/ghostface.gif
This is getting scary. 42 was drawn.

Lottery Numbers (http://www.national-lottery.co.uk/player/p/home/home.do)

Anyway 107/5 at tea. Pietersen out just before tea.

I would think an hour and a half at most to negotiate. We ought to be good enough to do that.
wats the bonus ball saturday
#17

[HUTTON]

will put my money on that number down the pub

[C C Csiders]

Quote[/b] (SUFCHUTTON @ Nov. 25 2005,17:16)]will put *my money on that number down the pub
Sorry!

My finger must have slipped on my keyboard and added a '1' in front of the number '7' that I meant to key in. http://www.shrimperzone.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif

[Bluesmanager]

228-6 today, put on another hundred or so and I'll be happy.

[canveyshrimper]

England 288 all out, Collingwood just falling short of 100.

Pakistan 53/2 - Flintoff dropped Yousuf.

[C C Csiders]

147/3 at Tea. We need to get one of Inzaman or Mohammed Yousuf (what happened to the Youhana?) out as soon as possible or they are going to have a sizeable first innings lead. The rate they are going they could be nearly level with our score by close.

[Matt the Shrimp]

Quote[/b] (C C Csiders @ Nov. 30 2005,10:25)]147/3 at Tea. We need to get one of Inzaman or Mohammed Yousuf (what happened to the Youhana?) out as soon as possible
Weird... that would suggest he has changed religions from being a Christian (which he was - hence Yousuf Youhana) to Muslim...

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I'll investigate.

Matt

[canveyshrimper]

Quote[/b] (Matt the Shrimp @ Nov. 30 2005,10:38)]
Quote[/b] (C C Csiders @ Nov. 30 2005,10:25)]147/3 at Tea. We need to get one of Inzaman or Mohammed Yousuf (what happened to the Youhana?) out as soon as possible
Weird... that would suggest he has changed religions from being a Christian (which he was - hence Yousuf Youhana) to Muslim...

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I'll investigate.

Matt
I can confirm that Yousuf Youhana has converted to Islam and renamed as Mohammed Yousuf.

I believ that leaves Danish Kaneria as the only Non-Muslim in the Pakistan team.

[C C Csiders]

Quote[/b] (Matt the Shrimp @ Nov. 30 2005,10:38)]
Quote[/b] (C C Csiders @ Nov. 30 2005,10:25)]147/3 at Tea. We need to get one of Inzaman or Mohammed Yousuf (what happened to the Youhana?) out as soon as possible
Weird... that would suggest he has changed religions from being a Christian (which he was - hence Yousuf Youhana) to Muslim...

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I'll investigate.

Matt
A convert, that'll explain the addition of the Mohammad.

It must have been very rare for a Christian to play cricket for Pakistan. I think that Danish Kaneria is only the second Hindu to play for Pakistan after Anil Dalpat in the early 80's.

[Matt the Shrimp]

He has indeed converted:

The basic news story, from yahoo.com (http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20051112/wl_sthasia_afp/cricketpakengyousufreligionislam_051112043652)

An Islamic angle from islamonline.com (http://www.islamonline.com/cgi-bin/news_service/world_full_story.asp?service_id=1764)

A rather different perspective from The Sikh Times (http://www.sikhtimes.com/news_100305a.html)

Suspecting that the latter ought not to have an agenda either way, and noting that they do have Islamic writers who occasionally pen articles for them - in particular, Salman Rushdie - then the views expressed in The Sikh Times's article are worrying, especially when one now thinks that there is only one non-Muslim left in the side: Essex's own Danish Kaneria.

That's particularly worrying when you think that, with Hinduism, it's the case that once you're born a Hindu, you die a Hindu... i.e. unlike Yousuf, I'm not sure that Danish is capable of converting.

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Matt

[C C Csiders]

Quote[/b] (Matt the Shrimp @ Nov. 30 2005,12:09)]He has indeed converted:

The basic news story, from yahoo.com (http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20051112/wl_sthasia_afp/cricketpakengyousufreligionislam_051112043652)

An Islamic angle from islamonline.com (http://www.islamonline.com/cgi-bin/news_service/world_full_story.asp?service_id=1764)

A rather different perspective from The Sikh Times (http://www.sikhtimes.com/news_100305a.html)

Suspecting that the latter ought not to have an agenda either way, and noting that they do have Islamic writers who occasionally pen articles for them - in particular, Salman Rushdie - then the views expressed in The Sikh Times's article are worrying, especially when one now thinks that there is only one non-Muslim left in the side: Essex's own Danish Kaneria.

That's particularly worrying when you think that, with Hinduism, it's the case that once you're born a Hindu, you die a Hindu... i.e. unlike Yousuf, I'm not sure that Danish is capable of converting.

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Matt
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[canveyshrimper]

Quote[/b] (Matt the Shrimp @ Nov. 30 2005,12:09)]He has indeed converted:

The basic news story, from yahoo.com (http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20051112/wl_sthasia_afp/cricketpakengyousufreligionislam_051112043652)

An Islamic angle from islamonline.com (http://www.islamonline.com/cgi-bin/news_service/world_full_story.asp?service_id=1764)

A rather different perspective from The Sikh Times (http://www.sikhtimes.com/news_100305a.html)

Suspecting that the latter ought not to have an agenda either way, and noting that they do have Islamic writers who occasionally pen articles for them - in particular, Salman Rushdie - then the views expressed in The Sikh Times's article are worrying, especially when one now thinks that there is only one non-Muslim left in the side: Essex's own Danish Kaneria.

That's particularly worrying when you think that, with Hinduism, it's the case that once you're born a Hindu, you die a Hindu... i.e. unlike Yousuf, I'm not sure that Danish is capable of converting.

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Matt
Intersting & not least a bit worrying. As you say once a Hindu, you are in for life.

Just putting a different spin on this situation, it is in its way a mirror image of West Indies cricket, though not on religion but skin colour.

Up until 1960 all WIndies teams were captained by a white player. Since Sir Frank Worrell took over the captaincy from Gerry Alexander no white player has represented the West Indies.

I am not suggesting anything strange or sinister, but a fact all the same.

[Matt the Shrimp]

Quote[/b] (canveyshrimper @ Nov. 30 2005,12:22)]Just putting a different spin on this situation, it is in its way a mirror image of West Indies cricket, though not on religion but skin colour.

Up until 1960 all WIndies teams were captained by a white player. Since Sir Frank Worrell took over the captaincy from Gerry Alexander no white player has represented the West Indies.

I am not suggesting anything strange or sinister, but a fact all the same.
Tell you what, the first time I saw a photo of Tony Cozier, having listened to him for many moons on TMS, I was ever so slightly surprised...

http://www.guardian.co.tt/tony-cozier.jpg

Wonder how many white West Indian cricketers there are out there, though...?

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Then again, I wonder whether the fact that Port Vale midfielder Chris Birchall has helped take Trinidad & Tobago to the World Cup might begin to see a more open-minded attitude to white players in Carribean sport generally...

http://www.port-vale.premiumtv.co.uk/javaImages/4a/56/0,,10381~2709066,00.jpg

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[canveyshrimper]

Quote[/b] (Matt the Shrimp @ Nov. 30 2005,15:27)]
Quote[/b] (canveyshrimper @ Nov. 30 2005,12:22)]Just putting a different spin on this situation, it is in its way a mirror image of West Indies cricket, though not on religion but skin colour.

Up until 1960 all WIndies teams were captained by a white player. Since Sir Frank Worrell took over the captaincy from Gerry Alexander no white player has represented the West Indies.

I am not suggesting anything strange or sinister, but a fact all the same.
Tell you what, the first time I saw a photo of Tony Cozier, having listened to him for many moons on TMS, I was ever so slightly surprised...

http://www.guardian.co.tt/tony-cozier.jpg

Wonder how many white West Indian cricketers there are out there, though...?

http://www.shrimperzone.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif

Then again, I wonder whether the fact that Port Vale midfielder Chris Birchall has helped take Trinidad & Tobago to the World Cup might begin to see a more open-minded attitude to white players in Carribean sport generally...

http://www.port-vale.premiumtv.co.uk/javaImages/4a/56/0,,10381~2709066,00.jpg

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Tony Cozier i think is from Barbados, born & bred, but of course has that wonderfully distinctive Caribbean accent.

There are a few white cricketers throughout the Windies, but for whatever reason like as not they are not good enough. The most notable i remember was a bloke called Geoff Greenidge who was another Baijan, who also played for Sussex in the 70's. Same surname, but not related to Gordon Greenidge, oddly another Baijan but bought up and schooled in Surrey.

There are of course many Indian/Asians in the current side, skipper Shiv Chanderpaul, Ramnaresh Sarwan & Dinesh Ramdin.

I hope that the arrival of Chris Birchall in the T&T team will help other white West Indians in their chosen sports.