Next years Ticket Prices

[Shagster69]

Despite the fact we have been playing better football over the last couple of months we are still a 3rd division team and next season to watch 3rd Division fotball we have to pay:

£16.50/ticket (South Upper/East & West)

but don't worry a season ticket now only costs

£305 (South Upper/East & West)

However, as pointed out by GK this is our first price rise in a few years so we should be happy, and also there have been some cracking days at RH, with some bird from Steps and the Cheeky Girls and this means we can have more!!!

b******s to it, these increases are a tad steep and i think i'll just pick and choose my games next season, maybe taking in a few more away ones instead.

[jro]

Yes it does all seem a bit much if you ask me:

Car park up from 50 to 60 (20%)
Concession from 110 to 140 (27%)
Adult up from 275 to 305 (only 11%)

This years pay rise at work about 3%, however it is the OAPs that i feel the most sorry for as i am not sure their pension has gone up by 27% this year and are the ones who have supported the club the most over the years.

[overseas shrimper]

Something had to come along and **** on our chips.

Yes, the OAPs are the ones I also feel sorry for.

[Shoebury Shrimper]

The best deal for kids is still the RBS section in the west. my 2 kids will get there first season tickets next season. and i will be going between the rbs when i go with them & in W block in the west bank.

Roll on next season, WERE GOING UP.

Bruce Shrimpsteen

Born to Shrimp

[Bigdel]

To be honest for me a car park tickets adult and kids in Rbs block works out at less than £ 300,thats not bad value for 9 months entertainment,costs me £ 100 for a two hour show in London.
As long as the money goes to the development of the club and players who want to play with heart and pride,then I won't be moaning.
I would be more concerned if it lines the owners pockets

Roll on 2004/05 season

[Shrimp in a Kilt]

I wonder what the prices will be for the new stadium? Price hike for the better facilities, I'd wager!

[Bigdel]

Its a catch 22 with pricing to progress we have to attract better players who want higher wages,or we stay in the lower leagues with average players.
The fan is the one who bears the brunt of the cost,hence why its important to reach LDV final where it generates extra money,we all dream of cup runs ,but in all honestly we are lucky to make the 4th round in any of the major cups.
I just hope RM relises its better to increase the price each year by a minimum,rather than hike up the price in one go,and lose the fans who have stood by the club whilst playing at Roots Hall

[Shrimper Zoo]

I think it is a bit of a disgrace for the club to claim the price rise of £1.50 a game was done in full consultation with the Shrimpers Trust.

The trust, I understand, had been approached by the club regarding what help they could give to finance the club's academy. Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm led to believe that it as suggested that an extra 50p a ticket be used for academy funding and that a price rise of no more than £1 a game was strongly recommended.

It now reads at first glance, though, that it was the trust's idea for a £1.50 a game increase. Call me cynical but it looks like an attempt to deflect any criticism of price rises by intimiating it was the Trust's idea when it palpably wasn't. It appears that the club's attitude towards its own supporters club is the complete opposite of the Trust's motto.

[Barmy Army]

Seems a tad steep to me, but then we pay the money to support our team. I find it hard to see that we will lose many (if any) supporters due to the increases in price.

I take it the student prices will go up to £7.50ish? Still not too bad for an afternoon out down at the Hall.

[Beaver]

Quote[/b] (Shrimper Zoo @ May 01 2004,22:36)]I think it is a bit of a disgrace for the club to claim the price rise of £1.50 a game was done in full consultation with the Shrimpers Trust.

The trust, I understand, had been approached by the club regarding what help they could give to finance the club's academy. *Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm led to believe that it as suggested that an extra 50p a ticket be used for academy funding and that a price rise of no more than £1 a game was strongly recommended. *

It now reads at first glance, though, that it was the trust's idea for a £1.50 a game increase. *Call me cynical but it looks like an attempt to deflect any criticism of price rises by intimiating it was the Trust's idea when it palpably wasn't. *It appears that the club's attitude towards its own supporters club is the complete opposite of the Trust's motto.
Couldn't of put it better myself.

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[The General]

I was going to have a rant as well. Come home to find the news in the post and see that prices have gone up? Why? We are still in f**king Divvie 3. It only cost an adult £14 to watch a game at the Mil Stad and it now costs £16.50 for a game at the Hall.

I would hope that the Trust can have a word with the club and re-tract this large price increase as we will lose any 'extra' fans we have recieved over the past year.

I knew something would go wrong soon ... and it just has!

Kev

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[stid]

Unless there's a serious promotion push next season, the hike in ticket prices is likely to COST the club money due to reduced attendances and those who do go spending less on food, drink and programmes. This could be a serious own goal by RM.

[footymad13]

Well i didnt see this one coming, and with our good news regarding FF i really cringe at the thought of the ST prices at the new stadium.

£305 for 3rd division football is worrying and im sure if we look at the other clubs in the division you will see it is certainly over The View at RH isnt exactly brilliant either.

I was 100% for renewing my season ticket but i may have to think this one threw http://www.shrimperzone.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif still much like many of you im sure ill pay it ...

[* ORM *]

It's all about supply and demand.

We demand decent football. We demand Tilly/Brush and a few of the current squad to be re-signed immediately. We demand some of the dead wood to be cast adrift. We demand some additional quality signings, mainly in defence to get us out of this godforsaken division.

If the club can supply all of that I'm sure the cost of getting into Roots Hall next year will be a non-issue.

[Shagster69]

I think they should have thought a bit more seriously before putting the prices above £300 - That may put quite a few people off. I can generally make around 25 games a season without any grief from the missus, which means pretty much every home game (as a STH) and a couple of away games thrown in, despite the fact away days are often the better. I think maybe next season they can forget all about me being a STH, and i'll definitely go to more away games.

[overseas shrimper]

Quote[/b] (* ORM * @ May 02 2004,09:55)]It's all about supply and demand.

We demand decent football. We demand Tilly/Brush and a few of the current squad to be re-signed immediately. We demand some of the dead wood to be cast adrift. We demand some additional quality signings, mainly in defence to get us out of this godforsaken division.

If the club can supply all of that I'm sure the cost of getting into Roots Hall next year will be a non-issue.
I suppose it is also about the chicken and the egg.

Should your very valid demands be supplied before being paid for... or should they be paid for on speculation that they ARE supplied?

Supporters are only guaranteed one thing... that they'll pay more.

I can see both sides of the arguement, because money is needed up front to invest to supply our demands.

[Spaceman Spiff]

I think we should bear in mind that:

a) prices havent risen for a few years

b) the club is losing money

c) we want success but that requires investment and you cant invest if you're already paying out more than you get in

d) fingers crossed the new stadium is a lot closer to reality than at any time in the past. That takes a lot of investment too, from a company that is already bailing us out hand over fist each year

I support the price rises. You cant have your cake and eat it. If our club is losing money despite paying lower wages than a lot of sides in our league then it is up to US first and foremost to inject a bit more, if we want success.

I'll be buying a £305 seaso next year come hell or high water, whether I can afford it or not.

Up the blues

Spiff

[Javea Shrimper]

Other Division Three clubs 2004/05 season ticket pricing include :

Cambridge United : Main Stand £270 discount then £310 (reductions for under 16s and concessions).

Cheltenham Town : Main Stand £285 discount then £315 (reductions for under 16s and concessions).

Kidderminster Harriers : Main Stand £295 discount before then £331(reductions for under 16s and concessions).

WS

[jro]

Quote[/b] (Spaceman Spiff @ May 02 2004,10:41)]I think we should bear in mind that:

a) prices havent risen for a few years
Not completely true:

Concesion season tickets:

2002/2003 £92
2003/2004 £110
2004/2005 £140

However in 2001/2002 concessions were £145 so still cheaper than 3 years ago.

[shrimpboy]

Is the South Lower still the same then? http://www.shrimperzone.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

The new prices are a bit too dear in my opinion, seeing as we're still in division 3. However, with the new stadium we need all the money we can get so hopefully we won't lose many fans from the increase. How did the person who started this thread get the info? Not on any of the websites or the Echo. http://www.shrimperzone.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif

[moneypit23]

Quote[/b] (shrimpboy @ May 02 2004,12:30)]How did the person who started this thread get the info? Not on any of the websites or the Echo. http://www.shrimperzone.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif
Season ticket renewals just come through in the post.

[Smiffy]

If we want a successful team this is the only way we can really achieve it. An extra say £7000 per game next year pays for a few players wages for the month or even buys a new player doesnt it. We want success and we have to help the club achieve it. We could really be challenging for honours next year, but we need everyone associated with the club to pull together and help achieve this, now i for one dont mind paying an extra £1.50 a game if it means a promotion charge next year and im sure everyone else feels the same??..Now i know extra cash doesnt definately mean a promotion charge, but it will undoubtedly give us a better chance. I mean what is £1.50 these days, barely buys a half does it?.. Next year is our year!!.

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[overseas shrimper]

Quote[/b] (Spaceman Spiff @ May 02 2004,11:41)]hand over fist

You cant have your cake and eat it.

come hell or high water, whether I can afford it or not.
You like phrases, don't you, Spiff.

The first phrase baffles me as to what it is supposed to mean.

The second phrase is probably my most hated common phrase I can think of. We all use it... but does it make any logical sense to anyone? Of course I can have a cake AND have the audacity to eat it.

Third phrase is very acceptable.

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[Javea Shrimper]

Quote[/b] (shrimpboy @ May 02 2004,12:30)]The new prices are a bit too dear in my opinion, seeing as we're still in division 3.
But, as you can see from the post above, they're a tad cheaper than a few other clubs in Division Three so I don't think many can complain too much. Certainly the value-for-money index is somewhat debatable. But what are you really paying for? In essence, you are paying for the right to sit in your nominated seat ** GUARANTEED ** for the 2004/05 season. And by doing so, you're providing the club with some much-needed capital during the close season; three months or so when the club can expect to make very little money from football. You don't have to buy the season ticket; I didn't buy one for a couple of seasons and simply reserved my seat in advance.

WS

[footymad13]

Expect a list on TLG soon which proved that only TWO clubs are more expensive than Southend.

Plus second division footy and even a Premiership club worked out cheaper.

[mcnasty]

Let's get this into perspective. Season ticket price up 30 quid , buy 1 less beer before each of 23 home matches and make a saving of between 50 and 60 quid.

[Shrimper Zoo]

Rubbish. I don't drink. http://www.shrimperzone.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

[Bigdel]

Hey why doesn't someone conduct a poll,its been ages since we have had one http://www.shrimperzone.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[Andy_S]

As next season will be the first in which I will be in full time employment and not a student, as well as the first in which I'll be able to drive myself to the games, I was eagerly awaiting being able to get my first season ticket. This has taken some of the gloss off it though.

I wouldn't have a problem whatsoever if we were assured that the extra money would be put back into the team, allowing Tilson to get a 2 or 3 higher quality players in during the summer. What chance is there of that actually happening though?

I'll still be purchasing a season ticket, but the club better realise that they're taking liberties with this price hike.

[The General]

I'll get one. I know i will. But it just still ****es me off how the club treats its fans. We are trying to encourage the younger generation of supporters to come and watch, but lets be honest, they aren't gunna pay £7. My dad takes in a game or 2 but he isnt prepared to pay £15 to watch us. I havent told him that its going to be £16.50 next year. I'm pretty sure he wont be at the Hall for a league game next year.

Shags - just dont buy a burger and you'll save yourself some money!!

Kev

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[Javea Shrimper]

Quote[/b] (footymad13 @ May 02 2004,15:23)]Expect a list on TLG soon which proved that only TWO clubs are more expensive than Southend.

Plus second division footy and even a Premiership club worked out cheaper.
¡que va!

Most clubs haven't yet released details for next season (so I don't know how TLG can make a valid comparison), but a quick glance around the clubs found the following prices* for NEXT season : Cambridge United (£310), Barnsley (£315), Cheltenham Town (£315), Peterborough United (£330), Port Vale (£330), Kidderminster Harriers (£331).

* These are for the cheapest adult main stand ticket. You simply cannot compare with clubs that are charging less to stand on a terrace much as most of us would like to stand. Roots Hall is an all-seater stadium and higher prices (or so TLG would seem to claim) are inevitable. Let's not cloud the issue here; TLG really want to check their facts and make clear claims before antagonising the club. Or is it just FM? I would say that if you're that bothered about the price rises, sod off and watch your beloved Arse instead.

WS

[Javea Shrimper]

Quote[/b] (The General @ May 02 2004,22:34)]But it just still ****es me off how the club treats its fans ...
Just thanks your lucky stars that you weren't born a Wimbledon fan then ...

WS

[Shoebury Shrimper]

we have all had a rant and A Bitch but we will all be at the hall next season, i am not getting a ST next season but i will be getting my kids season tickets in the rbs.

f**k euro 2004 i want the 04/05 season to start.

come on you blues

Bruce shrimpsteen

Born To Shrimp

[jro]

Quote[/b] (Javea Shrimper @ May 03 2004,06:15)]
Quote[/b] (footymad13 @ May 02 2004,15:23)]Expect a list on TLG soon which proved that only TWO clubs are more expensive than Southend.

Plus second division footy and even a Premiership club worked out cheaper.
¡que va!

Most clubs haven't yet released details for next season (so I don't know how TLG can make a valid comparison), but a quick glance around the clubs found the following prices* for NEXT season : Cambridge United (£310), Barnsley (£315), Cheltenham Town (£315), Peterborough United (£330), Port Vale (£330), Kidderminster Harriers (£331).

* These are for the cheapest adult main stand ticket. You simply cannot compare with clubs that are charging less to stand on a terrace much as most of us would like to stand. Roots Hall is an all-seater stadium and higher prices (or so TLG would seem to claim) are inevitable. Let's not cloud the issue here; TLG really want to check their facts and make clear claims before antagonising the club. Or is it just FM? I would say that if you're that bothered about the price rises, sod off and watch your beloved Arse instead.

WS
Talking of clear claims you seem to be comparing full price tickets (not early bird take up) against our early discount, our full price is £340 making it the most expensive of all those you quote.

At least our 'tea' is cheaper thasn Macclesfield - a MONSTROUS £1.10 for brown stuff in a wobbly paper cup!

[Beefy]

Who cares? Its £1.50 a game extra. Christ, it costs that much to get a bus nowadays. If people are willing to pay £15 a game they will be willing to be £16.50. Of course thats expensive - I paid only a fiver more than that at villa park yesterday, but thats the World in which we live and if we want to see a higher quality of football next season then we are going to have to pay for it.

[Spaceman Spiff]

Quote[/b] (jro @ May 03 2004,10:16)]
Quote[/b] (Javea Shrimper @ May 03 2004,06:15)]
Quote[/b] (footymad13 @ May 02 2004,15:23)]Expect a list on TLG soon which proved that only TWO clubs are more expensive than Southend.

Plus second division footy and even a Premiership club worked out cheaper.
¡que va!

Most clubs haven't yet released details for next season (so I don't know how TLG can make a valid comparison), but a quick glance around the clubs found the following prices* for NEXT season : Cambridge United (£310), Barnsley (£315), Cheltenham Town (£315), Peterborough United (£330), Port Vale (£330), Kidderminster Harriers (£331).

* These are for the cheapest adult main stand ticket. You simply cannot compare with clubs that are charging less to stand on a terrace much as most of us would like to stand. Roots Hall is an all-seater stadium and higher prices (or so TLG would seem to claim) are inevitable. Let's not cloud the issue here; TLG really want to check their facts and make clear claims before antagonising the club. Or is it just FM? I would say that if you're that bothered about the price rises, sod off and watch your beloved Arse instead.

WS
Talking of clear claims you seem to be comparing full price tickets (not early bird take up) against our early discount, our full price is £340 making it the most expensive of all those you quote.
He said 'the CHEAPEST main stand ticket'.... which I understand to mean that they have more expensive options - whether that is by area of the stadium of time the tickets are purchased. Therefore you cant take the prices for other clubs that Mike quoted and claim they should only be compared to our FULL PRICE, highest cost no discount tickets.

The only true comparison of course would be to post the range of options for each club.

Either way it is academic. This is like all those in society who claim the government should pay more into schools and hospitals - but they are up in arms when taxes rise to pay for it "I shouldn't pay for it - the government should"... so where do they get their money from then?!

i.e. if we want the club to have money to pay for things, we have to ensure they have the revenue to pay for it - and we are the providers of that revenue. Perhaps they should teach economics to more schoolkids....

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[Shagster69]

Quote[/b] (Beefy @ May 03 2004,12:43)]Who cares? Its £1.50 a game extra. Christ, it costs that much to get a bus nowadays. If people are willing to pay £15 a game they will be willing to be £16.50. Of course thats expensive - I paid only a fiver more than that at villa park yesterday, but thats the World in which we live and if we want to see a higher quality of football next season then we are going to have to pay for it.
You try explaining that to the missus! Obviously i'll go to pretty much most games but the fact the ST price is above £300 quid gives the impression it is a hell of a lot more expensive next season. It's all about perception and they have gone through a barrier which means i get a lot less grief by not getting one and just paying on the door.

[Shrimper Zoo]

Quote[/b] (Spaceman Spiff @ May 03 2004,12:47)]Perhaps they should teach economics to more schoolkids....

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Or football club directors. http://www.shrimperzone.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

[overseas shrimper]

Let's just hope that the club don't act like governments and actually put the money into the club... http://www.shrimperzone.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif

[W4 Shrimper]

When it comes to admission prices, the club have us all by the short and curlies. Going to Roots Hall (for most of us) is not just another 'leisure pursuit' like going to the cinema or ten pin bowling.
We'll continue going as long as there is a Southend United, so the club know they can charge over the odds.
Never mind eh, I'll keep on going. See you next season!

[Beefy]

Quote[/b] (Shagster69 @ May 03 2004,12:48)]
Quote[/b] (Beefy @ May 03 2004,12:43)]Who cares? Its £1.50 a game extra. Christ, it costs that much to get a bus nowadays. If people are willing to pay £15 a game they will be willing to be £16.50. Of course thats expensive - I paid only a fiver more than that at villa park yesterday, but thats the World in which we live and if we want to see a higher quality of football next season then we are going to have to pay for it.
You try explaining that to the missus! Obviously i'll go to pretty much most games but the fact the ST price is above £300 quid gives the impression it is a hell of a lot more expensive next season. It's all about perception and they have gone through a barrier which means i get a lot less grief by not getting one and just paying on the door.
Yeah, thats true enough. I'm not a STH so I don't have to think about that. I guess you're just going to have to do the honourable thing and lie to your wife about how much it is costing next year... http://www.shrimperzone.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

Personally, I'm going to be paying a hell of a lot more. Having had three years at student prices, I'm going to be paying £10.50 a match more next season http://www.shrimperzone.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/ghostface.gif

[Shrimper Zoo]

Quote[/b] (W4 Shrimper @ May 03 2004,12:55)]When it comes to admission prices, the club have us all by the short and curlies. Going to Roots Hall (for most of us) is not just another 'leisure pursuit' like going to the cinema or ten pin bowling.
We'll continue going as long as there is a Southend United, so the club know they can charge over the odds.
Never mind eh, I'll keep on going. See you next season!
That's not quite true. My own family are 1st, 2nd, 3rd and 4th priority at least. Southend Unted, although I go to most games, are a long, long, long way behind.

Quite simply, if I don't have that extra £1.50 per ticket in my pocket that week or the extra £30 or so each to renew season tickets, I will take my famly elsewhere. As an example, the local Essex Senior League club costs an awful lot less, has a decent clubhouse and the kids can run aound on the pitch or training pitch if they want.

Another eample is my lad's football team. They train Saturday mornings and play on Sundays all over Essex and Kent. Yesterday, a couple of coachloads of us went to Pembury, a few of us had a good session in the pub before it started, the boys won the tournament and every single soul enjoyed themselves immensely.

I support Southend United and they are an integral part of my life. But I don't measure my life by my support for them and certainly don't feel duty bound to pay any extra wedge just because they or anybody else says so. If I can't afford it I won't pay it. End of.

[Spaceman Spiff]

First prize for stating the bleedin obvious, ShrimperZoo.

Of course there is no iron fist making anybody pay anything. However those that dont give a toss and for the sake of 1.50 would rather do something else on a saturday can eff off and do something else. I'll happily pay £3 extra a game to cover the marginal cost of your good self being any of those places you'd rather be other than Roots Hall of a saturday.

I hope the extra half you buy in the pub with the £1.50 you saved tastes good...

To quote you: if you dont want to pay it, dont pay it. But dont moan to the rest of us about it - and remember your reluctance to part with a tiny bit more next time you're wondering why we cant afford better players. End of.

[The Artful Shrimper]

Forking out 2x £305 for 2 season tickets is a damn sight cheaper than trawling around the shops with my missus

[W4 Shrimper]

Quote[/b] (Shrimper Zoo @ May 03 2004,13:11)]
That's not quite true. *My own family are 1st, 2nd, 3rd and 4th priority at least. *Southend Unted, although I go to most games, are a long, long, long way behind.

Quite simply, if I don't have that extra £1.50 per ticket in my pocket that week or the extra £30 or so each to renew season tickets, I will take my famly elsewhere. *As an example, the local Essex Senior League club costs an awful lot less, has a decent clubhouse and the kids can run aound on the pitch or training pitch if they want.

Another eample is my lad's football team. *They train Saturday mornings and play on Sundays all over Essex and Kent. *Yesterday, a couple of coachloads of us went to Pembury, a few of us had a good session in the pub before it started, the boys won the tournament and every single soul enjoyed themselves immensely.

I support Southend United and they are an integral part of my life. *But I don't measure my life by my support for them and certainly don't feel duty bound to pay any extra wedge just because they or anybody else says so. *If I can't afford it I won't pay it. *End of.[/QUOTE]
Fair enough and fair play to you.

For a lot of us though, Southend are that little bit different. For example, I live about twenty mins from Griffin Park, Brentford, where the London Broncos are playing the Bradford Bulls in a Super League game today.

If it wasn't pelting down, I probably would have gone to the game for something to do, but as I'm not really that bothered, I've knocked it on the head. Were Southend playing down the road, wild horses couldn't stop me (actually they probably could - horses are strong animals. But that's beside the point).

People have an emotional attachment to their football club, meaning rational decisions aren't always made. £16.50 is actually not great value to see a Div 3 football game, but that won't deter many people as they'll watch Southend come thick or thin.

By the way, I don't measure my life by support to SUFC - heaven forbid!

[Shagster69]

Everyone is entitled to their opinions.

[Bigdel]

Quote[/b] (The Artful Shrimper @ May 03 2004,13:22)]Forking out 2x £305 for 2 season tickets is a damn sight cheaper than trawling around the shops with my missus
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[Shrimper Zoo]

Quote[/b] (Spaceman Spiff @ May 03 2004,13:19)]First prize for stating the bleedin obvious, ShrimperZoo.

Of course there is no iron fist making anybody pay anything. However those that dont give a toss and for the sake of 1.50 would rather do something else on a saturday can eff off and do something else. I'll happily pay £3 extra a game to cover the marginal cost of your good self being any of those places you'd rather be other than Roots Hall of a saturday.

I hope the extra half you buy in the pub with the £1.50 you saved tastes good...

To quote you: if you dont want to pay it, dont pay it. But dont moan to the rest of us about it - and remember your reluctance to part with a tiny bit more next time you're wondering why we cant afford better players. End of.
An apology wouldn't go amiss for daring to suggest that I drink halves or aything. Having a good session n the pub doesn't constitute getting alcohol down you. It might just be about seeing your mates and having a chat and a laugh. Hence the moniker 'public house'.

Another one wouldn't go amiss about daring to suggest I would criticise any future signings or lack of. Or if you have any written or taped evidence of any player I've criticised as a direct result of me not putting money into the club I'll be happy for you to copy or play it on here.

And you are deliberately missng a point here. Some people do actually stretch their funds as far as they can at the moment. That £1.50 could indeed be funds they don't have on any given week. Dismiss it if you wll but until you've lived below the poverty line don't have a pop for someone unable to cough up extra funds however small it seems.

And for the economists amongst you all, it would, of course be an extra £16.50 a ticket for Spiff to pay cover for any non-attendee. Unless, of course Spiff believes that non-attending people will give Southend United a £15 up to 30 times a year.

And I do wish you'd taken the time and trouble to read my post properly, Spiff. I actually put the word 'if' into it, i.e. 'If' I can't afford, etc. It may well be that I can afford and will indeed renew those season tickets. But I don't think it unreasonable on a public forum about Southend United issues to air a viewpoint that some people may not be able to afford increased ticketing costs.

Of course, if you think such people should 'eff off' it's entirely your opinion. But hey, if crowds and season tckets sales drop, what does that matter?

[Hamstring]

Got to agree with the Zoo man here. *Like it or not, some people's noses will be put out of joint by this. *Telling them to f.uck off isn't exactly Oscar Wilde or a constructive reply is it? * *http://www.shrimperzone.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif

There's too much 'holier than thou' c.rap on here about people being so loyal and too many sheep prepared to take whatever the club says. *It's bloody disgusting they've insinuated any price rise is down to the Shrimpers Trust and it's a bit of a p.iss-take to be asked to stump up more when nobody knows where the money from our cup runs has gone to. *

The club should show us the colour of their money before asking us to part wth yet more.

[McScriven]

Of course I could reveal that Hamstring, Shrimper Zoo and Groyne Strain are all the same people! Whoops!

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[McScriven]

While I also think a £1.50 price hike is a bit too much let's not forget 50p of this is going to fund the Centre of Excellence for another year.

[Shagster69]

Quote[/b] (McScriven @ May 03 2004,15:02)]While I also think a £1.50 price hike is a bit too much let's not forget 50p of this is going to fund the Centre of Excellence for another year.
Course it is.

[The Watermill Wino]

Quote[/b] (McScriven @ May 03 2004,15:01)]Of course I could reveal that Hamstring, Shrimper Zoo and Groyne Strain are all the same people! Whoops!

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Are you sure they're all one and the same?.............
Those *******s always get three drinks when it's my round. http://www.shrimperzone.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif

[Testicalities]

No matter whose identity, there are people who don't mind the price increase and those that do. For one to tell the other to eff off for having such a view is pretty pathetic.

I could, of course, reveal that Groyne Strain was and still is banned, despite denials to the contrary, which was coincidentally - and all it was was a coincidence, obviously - the same day that a p.iss-take of the message board came out. As this is a totally unrelated matter, however, I won't.

Ah, but yes, I remember now, supporting Southend is a serious issue and we musn't have any humour or dissension in the ranks. Not to worry, though, I promise not to say anything remotely provocatie, ironic, humourous or interesting in future. It's called the Napster Factor, you know.

[McScriven]

Quote[/b] (Testicalities @ May 03 2004,16:48)]I could, of course, reveal that Groyne Strain was and still is banned, despite denials to the contrary, which was coincidentally - and all it was was a coincidence, obviously - the same day that a p.iss-take of the message board came out. *As this is a totally unrelated matter, however, I won't.
Of course I could tell you that Groyne Strain was and never has been banned and I don't know why you can't get logged in under that name Testicalities/Dave Towers/Groyne Strain/Hamstring/Shrimper Zoo or whatever other pseudonym you go under.

If you want to try and get this account working again drop me an email at dave@shrimperzone.com and we can try and get it going.

[Testicalities]

No, Dave. You decided to make an unrelated private matter and private information public so my reply will also be kept on here.

I can log in under any user name I have except Groyne Strain, which to this day blocks me when I try to log in as that - which most people know me by. This is either on my ISP or on IE. As you well know I sent e-mails at the time but it was claimed that they eren't received.

As my PC was infected by spyware and the like recently, I had the system checked out by a PC Doctor gadgie. Just out of curiosity, I tried logging onto here under Groyne but as still bounced. The lad here had a peek around and the message accompanying the refusal of entry. "You only get that when you're banned, mate." was his verdict.

Now, obviously I can't prove one way or another that you're lying, but when I found I was being blocked at the same time a p.iss-take message board was set-up, I know who I'm going to believe.

Persnally, I don't care what ID I go under here so long as that affords me the same opportunity to post as anyone else. If you have a poblem with that, why not drop me an e-mail at the address shown in my personal info, which is where such information should remain.

[Barmy Army]

Now now children.

[The General]

It was obvious that all those 5 nicknames were the same people. The font, and the way the person came across, makes it pretty obvious ...

Kev

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[southend4ever]

And back to the prices of matches next season.......

If the over 16's young people that are still in there teens actually paid for adult tickets we would be laughing with our income.

I think we should have bouncers on the gates of roots hall asking for I.D. http://www.shrimperzone.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[Prophet of Doom!]

Not sure if anyone else has looked at the prices from this angle but consider this.......

1. Pay £130 for a junior seaso and then go to all matches. Cost £5.65 per game!

2. Pay £ 7.00 per game (19 full price games) and four Family Bonanza or kids for a quid matches). Cost over season
£ 137 and £5.96 per game.

3. Pay £145 for a junior seaso after June 04 and then go to all matches. Cost £6.30 per game!

Not such big savings when you take account "Special" matchday promotions. In fact based on four "Bonanza" games a whopping £7 is saved over the season!

How much interest would £130 accrue in a Building Society over 10 months?

Good deal - Err, NO!

[The Artful Shrimper]

Quote[/b] (McScriven @ May 03 2004,15:01)]Of course I could reveal that Hamstring, Shrimper Zoo and Groyne Strain are all the same people! Whoops!

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Maybe McScriven and Mrs McScriven are in fact one and the same?

[McScriven]

Only at the weekends!

[londonblue]

Quote[/b] (Spaceman Spiff @ May 02 2004,10:41)]I think we should bear in mind that:

a) prices havent risen for a few years

b) the club is losing money

c) we want success but that requires investment and you cant invest if you're already paying out more than you get in

d) fingers crossed the new stadium is a lot closer to reality than at any time in the past. That takes a lot of investment too, from a company that is already bailing us out hand over fist each year

I support the price rises. You cant have your cake and eat it. If our club is losing money despite paying lower wages than a lot of sides in our league then it is up to US first and foremost to inject a bit more, if we want success.

I'll be buying a £305 seaso next year come hell or high water, whether I can afford it or not.

Up the blues

Spiff
Well said, and I have already posted my application back to the club.

Also, one quick question to people who say they will go to more away games instead. Why? Even if it is cheaper, why would you rather line the pockets of our rivals?

[Shagster69]

Better atmosphere at away games generally.

[The Artful Shrimper]

As I said earlier its cheaper than a day shopping.
£17.50 does seem a trifle steep considering that that's £35 for two people, plus programme plus a beer or two plus shoot for the goal etc , that's £50 for a game of footy.

Compare that to £30 inclusive to see a film, with sweets and drink included.

Or... a rather nice meal for two.

When you consider a season ticket for Dagenham is 120 quid we might lose some fans from that neck of the woods.

However on shopping the price difference doesn't compare.
A " ooh they're cheap" mean £10
A " they're handy" means another 10 quid
A " I haven't got enough for this" means at least 20 quid
A "You only live once" means 20 quid +

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no contest

[sufcintheprem]

I've just read this post in it's entirety and it's taken some doing! I find it intriguing that people can be so dead against it. In case anyone missed the announcement, we're planning on building a new stadium. These things don't come cheap. As an accountant would, no doubt, back me up, it would be more advisable, with our current debt-equity ratio, to raise as much cash through supporters (essentially the shareholders of the club at our level) than make levels of debt that are unsustainable. In short, it seems better that supporters pay as much as posible rather than burdening the future of the club with debt.

Personally, I will be in Loughborough at uni next year so I won't be able to get a season ticket. However....

->Southend released a silver shirt so I bought it
->Southend released a millstad edition scarf so I bought it
->I have 5 of the last six shirts released
->I'm happy paying:
a) 20 pounds for my railcard that entitles me to an 18 pound ticket home.
b) 7 hours of my time sitting on a train on my own to get to games.

...and clearly I will pay whatever price they ask. This stuff about third division football being a cheaper commodity surprises me. The standard isn't as good but if it's your team, that doesn't matter. I'm just happy that friends who support Prem teams seem to pay around 30 pounds more than me per game.

[Shagster69]

Just like to point out that at no time have i said i will switch sides and that i will stop watching Southend play. Just i won't be getting a ST and that i might go to a couple more away games and a couple less home games.

[Prophet of Doom!]

Quote[/b] (sufcintheprem @ May 04 2004,11:22)]I've just read this post in it's entirety and it's taken some doing! *I find it intriguing that people can be so dead against it. *In case anyone missed the announcement, we're planning on building a new stadium. *These things don't come cheap. *As an accountant would, no doubt, back me up, it would be more advisable, with our current debt-equity ratio, to raise as much cash through supporters (essentially the shareholders of the club at our level) than make levels of debt that are unsustainable. *In short, it seems better that supporters pay as much as posible rather than burdening the future of the club with debt.
Sorry, SUFCin the prem that is bure pollocks!

The ground itself is to be financed through the complex agreements and land issues between all parties.

Also the additional revenue proposed through offshoot business such as fitness & health clubs etc will assist the clubs finance.

In other words, the big picture is that with the new ground the club starts with a clean sheet of accounts!

I am a seaso and will buy our tickets but I do feel that we are being taken for a ride!

I do know that we are charged the same as a top 1st Division club and they get a free programme for every home game, gift vouchers for club shop and 10% off all additional cup tickets along with four free guest tickets per season!

Now do you think our seasos are good value? I don't and intend to tell Messers King & Martin so in a letter!

[overseas shrimper]

Quote[/b] (Prophet of Doom! @ May 04 2004,12:42)]
Quote[/b] (sufcintheprem @ May 04 2004,11:22)]I've just read this post in it's entirety and it's taken some doing! I find it intriguing that people can be so dead against it. In case anyone missed the announcement, we're planning on building a new stadium. These things don't come cheap. As an accountant would, no doubt, back me up, it would be more advisable, with our current debt-equity ratio, to raise as much cash through supporters (essentially the shareholders of the club at our level) than make levels of debt that are unsustainable. In short, it seems better that supporters pay as much as posible rather than burdening the future of the club with debt.
Sorry, SUFCin the prem that is bure pollocks!

The ground itself is to be financed through the complex agreements and land issues between all parties.

Also the additional revenue proposed through offshoot business such as fitness & health clubs etc will assist the clubs finance.

In other words, the big picture is that with the new ground the club starts with a clean sheet of accounts!

I am a seaso and will buy our tickets but I do feel that we are being taken for a ride!

I do know that we are charged the same as a top 1st Division club and they get a free programme for every home game, gift vouchers for club shop and 10% off all additional cup tickets along with four free guest tickets per season!

Now do you think our seasos are good value? I don't and intend to tell Messers King & Martin so in a letter!
Fair points, but lets not base our future on the new ground DEFINATELY being there to wipe our accounts clean etc. There's still plenty to be done before we know for 100% that we'll get The Farm... and that it'll be built with all the business ancillaries we're hoping for.

Best Regards

Wop (before you call me one) http://www.shrimperzone.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

[sufcintheprem]

You don't seriously think that a ground can be entirely financed by offshoots such as that do you??

Grounds cost millions that will be recouped over it's lifetime, certainly not before it's built. Where would you want this cash to come from to cover it in the short term?

Perhaps a more pertinent grumble you should have with them is the way they are using the money, not the amount you are paying. If you were happy with that, you would expect the return on your money to be the same so that even if you paid £30, you'd feel justified. Realistically, they would need to pull out all the stops to justify that cost but the point remains.

Don't complain about the prices, complain about the return.

[Prophet of Doom!]

Quote[/b] (sufcintheprem @ May 04 2004,11:56)]Don't complain about the prices, complain about the return.
Value for money! That is what it is all about!

In comparison to other clubs, our prices are very poor value for money! That is the point of my post!

As you could see from my original post, what allowances in the junior seaso prices do they make for Bonanza days?

None!

It would just be nice if they gave us seaso's a little bit extra for giving them our money in June and pledging our support to the club!

[tommytwoholes]

I am seriously thinking of buying my first season ticket next year. The club are finaly moving in the right direction and could do with my hard earned cash. What i object to is the way the club handles the fans. They should have issued a rallying call, something along the lines of we need your help financially as we are looking to invest on playing staff for promotion next season. Had they said this i feel we would not feel so hard done by. It basicly comes down to the fact that the PR at the club is cr*p. I have been rubbed up the wrong way on numerous occasions, none more so than when i was treated like a criminal for asking for a unemployed discount. I was only unemployed for a short while ,but the club where very disrespectful. Yet we still go for the same reason, because we all love the club!! Just show us fans some respect MR Martin http://www.shrimperzone.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif

[sufcintheprem]

Quote[/b] (Prophet of Doom! @ May 04 2004,12:25)]It would just be nice if they gave us seaso's a little bit extra for giving them our money in June and pledging our support to the club!
As a season ticket holder, I would expect to be guaranteed a seat at games, save money by 'buying in bulk' and be entitled to other one-offs (e.g. expected sellout games like Chelsea would have been). Comparing prices to other teams in the division seems a bit unjust when you consider that we are based in one of the most affluent areas outside of London. This will have an impact.

With a new manager confirmed and a stadium planned, I reckon the club should be trying to raise a bit more money. It doesn't strike me as a huge amount more to pay and if me paying £1.50 extra per game helps the team in any way, I'm happy to do it.

All that said, I'm only a student so pay the absolute bargain price of six pounds. http://www.shrimperzone.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif http://www.shrimperzone.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif http://www.shrimperzone.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[Mad Cyril]

I don't agree with the value for money argument.

It's like the national lottery. People do it for fun, not because they want to win anything.

[Beefy]

Quote[/b] (sufcintheprem @ May 04 2004,11:56)]You don't seriously think that a ground can be entirely financed by offshoots such as that do you??
I stand to be corrected but my understanding was that that was entirely the case. The club itself isn't really paying for the new ground, its getting built for us because Roots Hall can't be build upon until Southend United get a new ground within the borough and because of the potential money to be earned through the offshoot related to the ground. We may well be charged rent once its built but we aren't going to have to come up with £12.5m to build it in the first place.

[sufcintheprem]

Quote[/b] (Beefy @ May 04 2004,13:17)]I stand to be corrected but my understanding was that that was entirely the case.
Nice. Shotgun cheaper tickets if that's true

[Prophet of Doom!]

Quote[/b] (Beefy @ May 04 2004,13:17)]We may well be charged rent once its built but we aren't going to have to come up with £12.5m to build it in the first place.
That was exactly what I was trying to say!

Well said Beefy! http://www.shrimperzone.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

[footymad13]

Quote[/b] (Javea Shrimper @ May 03 2004,06:15)] that if you're that bothered about the price rises, sod off and watch Arse instead.

WS
Lets put that above the door at RH ha ?

[tommytwoholes]

Quick question. Has anybody ever borrowed someones student season ticket and if so do you have to show id when you hand it over the turnstyle??

[Mad Cyril]

Quote[/b] (tommytwoholes @ May 05 2004,09:21)]Quick question. Has anybody ever borrowed someones student season ticket and if so do you have to show id when you hand it over the turnstyle??
Not usually but the club has booted out people for trying to get into the ground with concession tickets without the relevant supporting document.

[sufcintheprem]

Quote[/b] (tommytwoholes @ May 05 2004,09:21)]Quick question. Has anybody ever borrowed someones student season ticket and if so do you have to show id when you hand it over the turnstyle??
If that does prove to be a problem, you can quite easily get round it. Student tickets are about a third of the cost of full price tickets. If you order student tickets online, you never get checked (assuming you look in the right age bracket). Personally, I am a student and always carry ID but haven't been asked for it this season.

[londonblue]

Quote[/b] (Shrimper Zoo @ May 02 2004,19:41)]Rubbish. *I don't drink. * http://www.shrimperzone.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif
Well, you ought to start. Then you can stop, and save a whole load of money. http://www.shrimperzone.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[Mad Cyril]

Quote[/b] (sufcintheprem @ May 05 2004,09:41)]
Quote[/b] (tommytwoholes @ May 05 2004,09:21)]Quick question. Has anybody ever borrowed someones student season ticket and if so do you have to show id when you hand it over the turnstyle??
If that does prove to be a problem, you can quite easily get round it. *Student tickets are about a third of the cost of full price tickets. *If you order student tickets online, you never get checked (assuming you look in the right age bracket). *Personally, I am a student and always carry ID but haven't been asked for it this season.
Perhaps the club has been forced to raise ticket costs to cover the amount of bogus concession seekers?

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[londonblue]

Quote[/b] (Shagster69 @ May 03 2004,12:48)]
Quote[/b] (Beefy @ May 03 2004,12:43)]Who cares? Its £1.50 a game extra. Christ, it costs that much to get a bus nowadays. If people are willing to pay £15 a game they will be willing to be £16.50. Of course thats expensive - I paid only a fiver more than that at villa park yesterday, but thats the World in which we live and if we want to see a higher quality of football next season then we are going to have to pay for it.
You try explaining that to the missus! Obviously i'll go to pretty much most games but the fact the ST price is above £300 quid gives the impression it is a hell of a lot more expensive next season. It's all about perception and they have gone through a barrier which means i get a lot less grief by not getting one and just paying on the door.
Agreed, but now they have a a few seasons ahead of them before the next psychological barrier of £400.00!

[sufcintheprem]

Quote[/b] (Mad Cyril @ May 05 2004,09:52)]Perhaps the club has been forced to raise ticket costs to cover the amount of bogus concession seekers?
If I could get my hands on those fare-dodgers. Grrr!

Oh hang on, I probably can.

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[overseas shrimper]

Quote[/b] (Mad Cyril @ May 04 2004,14:04)]It's like the national lottery. People do it for fun, not because they want to win anything.
You're mad, Mad C. It's nothing like the national lottery, which is a form of gambling (although watching SUFC is also a form of gambling... coz you may lose your sanity).

Paying to watch football is paying to watch a form of entertainment. That's the way football has managed to survive, by evolving and developing to attract families, booking "talent" like the Cheeky Girls (God forbid) and engagiing the services of The Bluebells.

You may not know then end result of the game, but just because it invlolves the team winning or losing, that doesn't make it like the lottery.

Value for money DOES matter to a large part of the crowd... and this can mean how comfortable the seating is, how good the view is, what the refreshments are like, stewarding, toilets etc.

This is all related to value for money.

[tommytwoholes]

the reason i asked about the student thing is that my brother is thinking of getting a student season ticket next year, but will only be able to go to a handfull of games. He said that i could borrow it for the rest. I was just wondering wether you had to show your id card etc. If not i could save myself a few £16.50's. And before you all jump on my back, im not made of money and i still spent around £800 this season on blues. So if i can get a few cheap/free games i will!!!!!!!!! http://www.shrimperzone.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif

[South Benfleet Shrimper]

Quote[/b] (tommytwoholes @ May 05 2004,10:10)]the reason i asked about the student thing is that my brother is thinking of getting a student season ticket next year, but will only be able to go to a handfull of games. He said that i could borrow it for the rest. I was just wondering wether you had to show your id card etc. If not i could save myself a few £16.50's. And before you all jump on my back, im not made of money and i still spent around £800 this season on blues. So if i can get a few cheap/free games i will!!!!!!!!! http://www.shrimperzone.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif
Tightwad. http://www.shrimperzone.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/blues.gif

[South Benfleet Shrimper]

Quote[/b] (The Artful Shrimper @ May 03 2004,13:22)]Forking out 2x £305 for 2 season tickets is a damn sight cheaper than trawling around the shops with my missus
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[Matt the Shrimp]

Quote[/b] (Spaceman Spiff @ May 02 2004,10:41)]I'll be buying a £305 seaso next year come hell or high water, whether I can afford it or not.

Up the blues

Spiff
I may ocasionally have to borrow that then, Mr. Spiff... in return for the occasional lending of my seaso this year...

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Seriously, I don't normally have one - and I can't justify one this year. I only make about one-third of the home games... and that will certainly be the case next season, where most of September & October will be taken up with weddings.

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However, I can swallow the price rises... although, in return, I don't think it would be too unreasonable to have a guarantee from Uncle Ron that formal planning permission will have been applied for by the end of the calendar year, and that a design & build contractor will have been appointed before the end of the season.

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Matt

[Matt the Shrimp]

Quote[/b] (Spaceman Spiff @ May 03 2004,12:47)]This is like all those in society who claim the government should pay more into schools and hospitals - but they are up in arms when taxes rise to pay for it "I shouldn't pay for it - the government should"... so where do they get their money from then?!
Oi, Tory Boy, keep your neo-fascist, Attilla the Hun-esque politics out of this, you plank...

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Matt

[Matt the Shrimp]

Quote[/b] (overseas shrimper @ May 02 2004,12:57)]
Quote[/b] (Spaceman Spiff @ May 02 2004,11:41)]You cant have your cake and eat it.

That phrase is probably my most hated common phrase I can think of. We all use it... but does it make any logical sense to anyone? Of course I can have a cake AND have the audacity to eat it.
OS - it does make sense... the word "have" is being used in the sense of "possess".

The most logical way of saying the phrase would be "You can either have your cake, or you can eat your cake, but you can't have your cake and eat it."

That is because possessing a cake and eating that same cake are mutually exclusive activities.

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Hope that clears it up for you.

Matt

[chadded]

Quote[/b] (Matt the Shrimp @ May 05 2004,19:37)]
Quote[/b] (overseas shrimper @ May 02 2004,12:57)]
Quote[/b] (Spaceman Spiff @ May 02 2004,11:41)]You cant have your cake and eat it.

That phrase is probably my most hated common phrase I can think of. We all use it... but does it make any logical sense to anyone? Of course I can have a cake AND have the audacity to eat it.
OS - it does make sense... the word "have" is being used in the sense of "possess".

The most logical way of saying the phrase would be "You can either have your cake, or you can eat your cake, but you can't have your cake and eat it."

That is because possessing a cake and eating that same cake are mutually exclusive activities.

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Hope that clears it up for you.

Matt
Although you could eat some of the cake, and keep the rest, thus meaning you can have your cake and eat it.

Genius.

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[Matt the Shrimp]

Quote[/b] (chadded @ May 05 2004,19:53)]Although you could eat some of the cake, and keep the rest, thus meaning you can have your cake and eat it.

Genius.

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No, because that portion of the cake you'd eaten, you would no longer have.

You can half-eat your cake and half-have it. Now that's genius.

Back to your homework, chadded.

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[chadded]

Quote[/b] (Matt the Shrimp @ May 05 2004,19:56)]
Quote[/b] (chadded @ May 05 2004,19:53)]Although you could eat some of the cake, and keep the rest, thus meaning you can have your cake and eat it.

Genius.

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No, because that portion of the cake you'd eaten, you would no longer have.
But you would have it. It would be inside you, until you visit the cr*pper and sh*t it out. So ner.

[overseas shrimper]

Quote[/b] (chadded @ May 05 2004,20:58)]
Quote[/b] (Matt the Shrimp @ May 05 2004,19:56)]
Quote[/b] (chadded @ May 05 2004,19:53)]Although you could eat some of the cake, and keep the rest, thus meaning you can have your cake and eat it.

Genius.

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No, because that portion of the cake you'd eaten, you would no longer have.
But you would have it. It would be inside you, until you visit the cr*pper and sh*t it out. So ner.
You can keep the **** as well, in a display cabinet with a note: 'My cake... which I have eaten... and still have'.

The shape, colour and smell of the cake may have changed, but the cake is still there. A rose by any other name...

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[Matt the Shrimp]

Quote[/b] (overseas shrimper @ May 05 2004,20:03)]
Quote[/b] (chadded @ May 05 2004,20:58)]
Quote[/b] (Matt the Shrimp @ May 05 2004,19:56)]
Quote[/b] (chadded @ May 05 2004,19:53)]Although you could eat some of the cake, and keep the rest, thus meaning you can have your cake and eat it.

Genius.

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No, because that portion of the cake you'd eaten, you would no longer have.
But you would have it. It would be inside you, until you visit the cr*pper and sh*t it out. So ner.
You can keep the **** as well, in a display cabinet with a note: 'My cake... which I have eaten... and still have'.

The shape, colour and smell of the cake may have changed, but the cake is still there. A rose by any other name...

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Rubbish!!

The cake won't still be there - the glucose from the sugar in the cake will have been ingested by your stomach.

Otherwise, why would anyone bother buying cakes - you could just cover your turds in chocolate sauce.

So ner.

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chadded - same for your point. Since ingestion of glucose starts pretty much as soon as the cake hits your tum, it is no longer cake in the form of cake - it becomes, instead, merely the constituent parts of the cake (sugar, flour, butter etc.).

And I don't know about you, but I see a bag of sugar, a bag of flour and a pat of butter as essentially different things to a cake.

So, there you have it, folks - you really can't have your cake and eat it.

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[Andy_S]

When will everyone learn that you just can't out smart Matt!? http://www.shrimperzone.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif http://www.shrimperzone.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[the dark deshrimper]

Quote[/b] (Andy_S @ May 05 2004,20:30)]When will everyone learn that you just can't out smart Matt!? http://www.shrimperzone.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif http://www.shrimperzone.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
Ahhh, but what if you invent a time machine, travel to the future and eat your cake, then travel back in time where your cake will still be there.

You have therefore eaten your cake, yet you still have your cake.
ner
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[King of Berks]

Isn't eat future tense though? If so, you can have your cake, meaning you are able to own or possess the cake, whilst at the same time it is true that you can eat your cake, meaning you are able to eat it.

If you have eaten your cake, then obviously you will no longer be in possession of it in it's cake form.

If you are eating your cake, then you are only in possession of that part of the cake that hasn't already been consumed.

If you are able to eat your cake, then it must be assumed that you are either currently in possession of the aforesaid cake, or you are soon to be.

Mind you, I'm probably talking rubbish, I went to Beauchamps! http://www.shrimperzone.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

[footymad13]

Boston's Prices

Finnforest Stand:
Adults £255 Children £127.50 and Concessions £178.50

Spayne Road and York Street terracing:
Adults £221 Children £110.50 and Concessions £161.50

All tickets include a £5 replica shirt voucher for the club shop.

Bloody good deal considering how there doing, So can i ask Ron how come Boston charge £255 for the dearest ticket and we charge £340 ?

[jro]

Well, how much do you think the BlueBells cost?

[McScriven]

Quote[/b] (footymad13 @ May 05 2004,21:31)]Boston's Prices

Finnforest Stand:
Adults £255 Children £127.50 and Concessions £178.50

Spayne Road and York Street terracing:
Adults £221 Children £110.50 and Concessions £161.50

All tickets include a £5 replica shirt voucher for the club shop.

Bloody good deal considering how there doing, So can i ask Ron how come Boston charge £255 for the dearest ticket and we charge £340 ?
If we want to get really pedantic. The Taylor Report stated at the time that the maximum price a ticket should be for a top flight game was £6 now in present day money going by inflation that works out at £9.06 anyone know any Premiersh*te clubs that you can get into for under a tenner?

[* ORM *]

If they play the sort of football we've seen since January this will be a non-issue by Christmas.

It's all very well trying to compare us with other 3rd divsion clubs but the simple fact is if people don't like it they will vote with their wallets. I think the average attendance thread elsewhere says it all.

The club are delivering on Tilly and Brush and starting to deliver on signing the squad. The new ground is, potentially, looking good and still some people are trying to find things to criticise.

[footymad13]

Quote[/b] (McScriven @ May 05 2004,22:09)]
Quote[/b] (footymad13 @ May 05 2004,21:31)]Boston's Prices

Finnforest Stand:
Adults £255 Children £127.50 and Concessions £178.50

Spayne Road and York Street terracing:
Adults £221 Children £110.50 and Concessions £161.50

All tickets include a £5 replica shirt voucher for the club shop.

Bloody good deal considering how there doing, So can i ask Ron how come Boston charge £255 for the dearest ticket and we charge £340 ?
If we want to get really pedantic. The Taylor Report stated at the time that the maximum price a ticket should be for a top flight game was £6 now in present day money going by inflation that works out at £9.06 anyone know any Premiersh*te clubs that you can get into for under a tenner?
Sure, Charlton season ticket in the North/West Corner for £303 ADULT.

premiership footy for LESS than 3rd Div.

I am renewing mine but im worried big time. We wonder why people **** off to watch WHU and the London clubs well if i had to pay £340 id tell them where to stick it.

And if the cheeky girls and that cr*p is costing so much then dont bloody have it.

[overseas shrimper]

Quote[/b] (Matt the Shrimp @ May 05 2004,21:19)]
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Quote[/b] (chadded @ May 05 2004,20:58)]
Quote[/b] (Matt the Shrimp @ May 05 2004,19:56)]
Quote[/b] (chadded @ May 05 2004,19:53)]Although you could eat some of the cake, and keep the rest, thus meaning you can have your cake and eat it.

Genius.

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No, because that portion of the cake you'd eaten, you would no longer have.
But you would have it. It would be inside you, until you visit the cr*pper and sh*t it out. So ner.
You can keep the **** as well, in a display cabinet with a note: 'My cake... which I have eaten... and still have'.

The shape, colour and smell of the cake may have changed, but the cake is still there. A rose by any other name...

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Rubbish!!

The cake won't still be there - the glucose from the sugar in the cake will have been ingested by your stomach.

Otherwise, why would anyone bother buying cakes - you could just cover your turds in chocolate sauce.

So ner.

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chadded - same for your point. Since ingestion of glucose starts pretty much as soon as the cake hits your tum, it is no longer cake in the form of cake - it becomes, instead, merely the constituent parts of the cake (sugar, flour, butter etc.).

And I don't know about you, but I see a bag of sugar, a bag of flour and a pat of butter as essentially different things to a cake.

So, there you have it, folks - you really can't have your cake and eat it.

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So you can have your diabetic cake and eat it?

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[Napster]

The Trust response to the recent increases will be in the Echo tonight

[sufcintheprem]

Quote[/b] (swanseashrimper @ May 05 2004,20:48)]Isn't eat future tense though? If so, you can have your cake, meaning you are able to own or possess the cake, whilst at the same time it is true that you can eat your cake, meaning you are able to eat it.

If you have eaten your cake, then obviously you will no longer be in possession of it in it's cake form.

If you are eating your cake, then you are only in possession of that part of the cake that hasn't already been consumed.

If you are able to eat your cake, then it must be assumed that you are either currently in possession of the aforesaid cake, or you are soon to be.

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I think the point is that in the future, you can have your cake and eat it even though, debatably you can't. I never got the impression that the point of it is an ironic one saying that you can have your cake and eat it when you can't.

When I've heard it used, I got the impression that the subject of the phrase (you) can have something that wouldn't be given to you and eat it.

However, looking round the internet, the actual phrase seems to be "You can't have your cake and eat it" (which makes a lot more sense). Congratulations Matt. Perhaps a more accurate turn of phrase is "you can't have it both ways".

[overseas shrimper]

Quote[/b] (sufcintheprem @ May 06 2004,11:50)]"you can't have it both ways".
Said the vicar to the actress. http://www.shrimperzone.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif

And that's another thing. Why is it a vicar talking to an actress? How did that get started?

[sufcintheprem]

Quote[/b] (overseas shrimper @ May 06 2004,11:54)]
Quote[/b] (sufcintheprem @ May 06 2004,11:50)]"you can't have it both ways".
Said the vicar to the actress. *http://www.shrimperzone.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif

And that's another thing. Why is it a vicar talking to an actress? How did that get started?
She played the Virgin Mary in the nativity play

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[King of Berks]

Quote[/b] (overseas shrimper @ May 06 2004,11:54)]
Quote[/b] (sufcintheprem @ May 06 2004,11:50)]"you can't have it both ways".
Said the vicar to the actress. *http://www.shrimperzone.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif

And that's another thing. Why is it a vicar talking to an actress? How did that get started?
and why can't she have it both ways?

Is it relevant what faith the vicar is?

would it be the same with, say, a Rabbi?

These are the questions that need answering, I think the trust should get their priorities straight when writing to the echo!

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[Matt the Shrimp]

I always thought the actress spoke to the bishop, but there you have it...

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Only on Shrimperzone can a thread about season tickets turn into a debate about cakes, and then one about the clergy...

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[Javea Shrimper]

Quote[/b] (Spaceman Spiff @ May 03 2004,12:47)]Perhaps they should teach economics to more schoolkids....
I'm just waiting for FM to start marching up and down outside Roots Hall with his "CANT PAY, WONT PAY" placard ...

WS

[Napster]

Quote[/b] (Javea Shrimper @ May 06 2004,14:36)]
Quote[/b] (Spaceman Spiff @ May 03 2004,12:47)]Perhaps they should teach economics to more schoolkids....
I'm just waiting for FM to start marching up and down outside Roots Hall with his "CANT PAY, WONT PAY" placard ...

WS
I'm waiting for him to quote Milton Friedman.

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[Its Only A Game]

Quote[/b] (Napster @ May 06 2004,15:08)]
Quote[/b] (Javea Shrimper @ May 06 2004,14:36)]
Quote[/b] (Spaceman Spiff @ May 03 2004,12:47)]Perhaps they should teach economics to more schoolkids....
I'm just waiting for FM to start marching up and down outside Roots Hall with his "CANT PAY, WONT PAY" placard ...

WS
I'm waiting for him to quote Milton Friedman.

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I thought we were waiting for him to **** off to North London? http://www.shrimperzone.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif http://www.shrimperzone.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif

[overseas shrimper]

Quote[/b] (Matt the Shrimp @ May 06 2004,14:12)]I always thought the actress spoke to the bishop, but there you have it...

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He got demoted because of what he did to the actress (lucky she wasn't equity... or else he'd really been in trouble). http://www.shrimperzone.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

[footymad13]

I said ill be paying and renew my ST, But we are in grave danger of losing alot of current and potential fans over this.

[Napster]

Quote[/b] (footymad13 @ May 06 2004,17:06)]I said ill be paying and renew my ST, But we are in grave danger of losing alot of current and potential fans over this.
Milton Friedmann never said that.

[* ORM *]

Quote[/b] (footymad13 @ May 06 2004,17:06)]I said ill be paying and renew my ST, But we are in grave danger of losing alot of current and potential fans over this.
But sadly it seems not in any danger of losing the one fan that no one would give three sheites about. http://www.shrimperzone.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif

[King of Berks]

Quote[/b] (Napster @ May 06 2004,17:08)]
Quote[/b] (footymad13 @ May 06 2004,17:06)]I said ill be paying and renew my ST, But we are in grave danger of losing alot of current and potential fans over this.
Milton Friedmann never said that.
you're right, sounds more like Immanuel Kant.

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[Javea Shrimper]

Quote[/b] (footymad13 @ May 06 2004,17:06)]I said ill be paying and renew my ST, But we are in grave danger of losing alot of current and potential fans over this.
How on earth are we in "grave danger of a lot losing current and potential fans"?!

Just about every current fan on this board who can't afford it or won't pay the increase have already said that they'd still go to matches on a "pay-per-match" basis. Most others have said they will buy one regardless.

As for potential fans: how will they know any different? Are they really going to sit down with an old Rothman's Almanac and work out that it was cheaper to watch football during the 1921/22 season and think "f**k it, I don't think I'll bother"?!

WS

[footymad13]

Quote[/b] (Javea Shrimper @ May 06 2004,20:52)]
Quote[/b] (footymad13 @ May 06 2004,17:06)]I said ill be paying and renew my ST, But we are in grave danger of losing alot of current and potential fans over this.
How on earth are we in "grave danger of a lot losing current and potential fans"?!

Just about every current fan on this board who can't afford it or won't pay the increase have already said that they'd still go to matches on a "pay-per-match" basis. Most others have said they will buy one regardless.

As for potential fans: how will they know any different? Are they really going to sit down with an old Rothman's Almanac and work out that it was cheaper to watch football during the 1921/22 season and think "f**k it, I don't think I'll bother"?!

WS
I think its Shagster has said he will be going to more away than home

Well when you can f**king watch prem footy for less than Southend its hardly attracting the punters.

[Javea Shrimper]

Quote[/b] (footymad13 @ May 06 2004,21:15)]I think its Shagster has said he will be going to more away than home

Well when you can f**king watch prem footy for less than Southend its hardly attracting the punters.
OK. So we've gone from "a lot of current fans" to "Shagster".

Hmmm ...

As for your other argument, if people want to pay for a Premiersh*te season ticket then let them. They're obviously not Southend fans, are they?! And have you ever tried to get a match ticket for the more successful London Premiersh*te teams?! I think SUFC are pretty safe ...

I think you're getting yourself a little worked up over nothing, FM. Prices rises are part and parcel of business and SUFC is a business. They happen and, for the most part, everyone accepts them as something that has to happen, even if they don't quite agree with them. It's called life.

WS

[footymad13]

Yes i have i got a ticket for 15 quid for a champions league chasing side !

Perhaps but its unjustified.

[Javea Shrimper]

Quote[/b] (footymad13 @ May 06 2004,21:30)]Yes i have i got a ticket for 15 quid for a champions league chasing side !

Perhaps but its unjustified.
For when? (And if you say for Martin Keown's Testimonial on May 17 then I am catching the first flight out of Alicante to thump you).

It is NOT unjustified. There has not been a rise for a while and the Club has decided that next season there will be one. It may not reflect a good performance on the pitch but does perhaps reflect a possible bad performance off it.

WS

[Javea Shrimper]

Quote[/b] (footymad13 @ May 06 2004,21:15)]Well when you can f**king watch prem footy for less than Southend its hardly attracting the punters.
One other thing, FM. I dunno where you're getting your information from but this is what I've collated from the Net this evening.

Cheapest Adult Prices for London Premiersh*te sides are :

Arsenal
Cheapest Matchday : £26
Cheapest Season :

Charlton Athletic
Cheapest Matchday : £20
Cheapest Season : £325

Chelsea
Cheapest Matchday : £43 (Cat A) - £29 (Cat C)
Cheapest Season : £650

Fulham
Cheapest Matchday : £25 (Cat A) - £23 (Cat B)
Cheapest Season : £450

Tottenham Hotspur
Cheapest Matchday : £35 (Cat A) - £25 (Cat C)
Cheapest Season : £525

and if you add in West Ham United :

Cheapest Matchday : £27 (Cat A) - £22 (Cat B)
Cheapest Season : £450

Add in travelling costs. Well, you'd really have to be fan of the club in question, wouldn't you. If not, then it would STILL be cheaper to pop down to Roots Hall ...

WS

[ShrimperJim]

1990 * * * * * * *£8 to stand on the North Bank
2004 * * * *£16.50 to sit

Price rise of £8.50 in 14 years. *

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Quote[/b] (Javea Shrimper @ May 06 2004,21:54)]
Quote[/b] (footymad13 @ May 06 2004,21:15)]Well when you can f**king watch prem footy for less than Southend its hardly attracting the punters.
One other thing, FM. I dunno where you're getting your information from but this is what I've collated from the Net this evening.

Cheapest Adult Prices for London Premiersh*te sides are :

Arsenal
Cheapest Matchday : £26
Cheapest Season :

Charlton Athletic
Cheapest Matchday : £20
Cheapest Season : £325

Chelsea
Cheapest Matchday : £43 (Cat A) - £29 (Cat C)
Cheapest Season : £650

Fulham
Cheapest Matchday : £25 (Cat A) - £23 (Cat B)
Cheapest Season : £450

Tottenham Hotspur
Cheapest Matchday : £35 (Cat A) - £25 (Cat C)
Cheapest Season : £525

and if you add in West Ham United :

Cheapest Matchday : £27 (Cat A) - £22 (Cat B)
Cheapest Season : £450

Add in travelling costs. Well, you'd really have to be fan of the club in question, wouldn't you. If not, then it would STILL be cheaper to pop down to Roots Hall ...

WS
Wow Mike, I was happy enough in the knowledge the FM was, as usual, talking out of his ****in' arse yet again.

You, on the other hand, wasted valuable Sangria time proving it.

Luke, what is it with you ? Is this a deliberate ploy or are you genuinely and plainly thick as sh*t ?

I think just about every statistic posted here in the last couple of days has proved you wrong but still you rant on with this premiership sh*t.

This is NOT the f**kING premiership.

This is NOT the f**kING ARSEWIPE GOONERSCUM messageboard.

Other people have expressed a similar view to you that the price rise is extortionate and unwarranted. They just have a much better way of putting their point of view over.

If we play the kind of football we've played over the last 6 months then (in addition to those that have already voted with their wallets in the second half of this season) I'm hoping we'll attract to RH all those local people that currently spend double or treble their money going to watch a club with which they have no natural affinity.

I don't give a monkey if I have to pay £305 for a season ticket if its to improve the team & to see us challaging for top 7, then that do for me. If you want a cheaper ticket, appoint Rob Newman & bring the like of Mark Beard & Belgrave back to Root-Hall for cheap & watch us finish in 17th next season instead of 7th place - I know which one I rather choose.

My father & his 3 mate is swapping season ticket of Chelsea (cos of high price & travelling) to come to Root-Hall next season with me. I used to watch Spurs in 1990's but decided to watch Southend (I support both but in end Southend is my first choice) - Iam sure more fans in South East Essex feel the same.

[steveh1510]

Quote[/b] (footymad13 @ May 06 2004,21:30)]Yes i have i got a ticket for 15 quid for a champions league chasing side !

Perhaps but its unjustified.
A full price Adult ticket, for a league/Cup game? Or a concession/student ticket, the equivalent of which will be £7.50 or £7 next year at Roots Hall.

You really are a prize plum aren't you?

[Javea Shrimper]

Quote[/b] (steveh1510 @ May 07 2004,14:05)]A full price Adult ticket, for a league/Cup game? Or a concession/student ticket, the equivalent of which will be £7.50 or £7 next year at Roots Hall.

You really are a prize plum aren't you?
I notice that he's going very quiet, Steve. The problem is that he probably HAS based all his research of child tickets and deduced that it would be cheaper to watch Premiership football. But what he clearly doesn't appear to understand is that most of these cheaper child tickets are in family membership areas which charge quite a high annual fee for the privilege of buying them AND must have an adult paying almost full price accompanying them.

WS