Is the New Ground Definate?

[Shoebury Shrimper]

After what has happen in the past week or so i can't help but think that the issue of the new ground is not a done deal because of b&q's go ahead to build their new superstore.

The reason i make this judgement is, why else would mr Martin not be willing to speculate to accumulate. With our best goalscorer in over 10 years leaving and one of our best defenders and possibly our captain going aswell, if the ground was a sure thing Mr Mr Martin would want to keep his best payers at all cost in a bid to gain the promotion a new stadium would deserve.

I know i would rather be in div 2 and move into the new stadium and be fighting for our survival again and the council putting our application on the back burner yet again to see if our club avoid relegation (May 2005) No new ground for our centenary.

I know alot of people on this site do not agree and we should wait to see what happens before the start of the season but we are not a club that looks stable enogh to attract quality lower league players,

I do fear for our club at this moment but come august Mr Martin might have had a re-think an tilly might some cash to spend. fingers crossed.

COME ON YOU BLUES!!

bruce shrimpsteen

born to shrimp

It is not a case of keeping players at all cost. New stadium or not we still have to keep within our wage cap and ideally break even each season.

[BasildonShrimp]

Quite right, if we spend money like there is no tomorrow we'll be 8 million in debt again in no time at all. Only this time we won't have the hope of having the debt wiped out by the chance of a new ground. Spending money doesn't guarantee survival. If we ever got relegated (God forbid) I'd rather be solvent in the Conference than saddled with a huge debt. The commercial department can only generate so much money and although an average crowd last season of around 4700 is a vast improvement on previous years averages it is still disgraceful for a club that is in one of the most populated areas of the country. It should not be missed either that a lot of this seasons higher attendances were incentive led and that does not not mean that a 20%+ increase in attendances will increase turnover by the same margin.

[overseas shrimper]

Quote[/b] (Shoebury Shrimper @ May 29 2004,09:47)]... but we are not a club that looks stable enogh to attract quality lower league players
I really don't agree with you comments. At all costs? You'd drive the club to extinction within a year.

Players terms and contracts, IMO, have absolutely nothing to do with the new ground.

And as for your comment about attracting players... well... looks like we've done okay in attracting quality players from the reserves of two Premier League teams (one of them the current champions), a quality player from Barnet (yes... Conference can really be looked at lower league rather than non-league)... and that's not to mention Bentley, Edwards, possibly Hunt... oh, then there's Dudfield to add to the list.

NO quality players? You're having a laugh.

[Javea Shrimper]

Quote[/b] (Shoebury Shrimper @ May 29 2004,08:47)]... why else would mr Martin not be willing to speculate to accumulate.
erm ... because of the salary cap rulings perhaps?! After all they are designed to prevent clubs spending more on player wages than they can afford. Breaking the bank to keep one or two players might actually accelerate the death of the club and we definately won't have our new stadium ...

WS

[petejan]

A new stadium is important to the clubs future .But also is a strong squad of players to play there .Just look at RUSHDEN AND DIMONDS we dont want to end up like them .So spending money wisely is all we can ask . I am sure STEVETILSON who has my vote will get it right sooner or later . Lets hope its sooner .

[Essex Bambi]

Quote[/b] (Shoebury Shrimper @ May 29 2004,08:47)]The reason i make this judgement is, why else would mr Martin not be willing to speculate to accumulate.
Maybe he was an Only fools and horses fan and saw how long it took Del Boy to get rich from speculating to accumulate.

[Javea Shrimper]

Quote[/b] (Yorkshire Bambi @ May 29 2004,13:35)]Maybe he was an Only fools and horses fan and saw how long it took Del Boy to get rich from speculating to accumulate.
Not only do I think this is a very good point but I have to admit that it's been very well made ...

WS

[footymad13]

Surely Delencey will deffo sell there share in the club as soon as we move in. Either Ron will stay on and work with a new investor or sell his share. I can't see them staying on ?

Not a bad prospect for a byer, Division 2 club ? brand new stadium and a good fan base.

[Javea Shrimper]

Quote[/b] (footymad13 @ May 29 2004,19:49)]Surely Delencey will deffo sell there share in the club as soon as we move in. Either Ron will stay on and work with a new investor or sell his share. I can't see them staying on ?

Not a bad prospect for a byer, Division 2 club ? brand new stadium and a good fan base.
Less than 1% of the population of SE Essex is hardly a "good fan base", FM.

It's common knowledge that Delancey will look elsewhere once SUFC have established in a new stadium; after all, they own 50% of Roots Hall ...

WS

[footymad13]

Quote[/b] (Javea Shrimper @ May 29 2004,19:54)]
Quote[/b] (footymad13 @ May 29 2004,19:49)]Surely Delencey will deffo sell there share in the club as soon as we move in. Either Ron will stay on and work with a new investor or sell his share. I can't see them staying on ?

Not a bad prospect for a byer, Division 2 club ? brand new stadium and a good fan base.
Less than 1% of the population of SE Essex is hardly a "good fan base", FM.

It's common knowledge that Delancey will look elsewhere once SUFC have established in a new stadium; after all, they own 50% of Roots Hall ...

WS
Come on Mike, I know alot of people in Cardiff had never been to a game before but its impressive to a buyer. And we are selling more Season Tickets than alot of Division 3 clubs. Our attendences are up. There as a market out there.

Well we knew that they had to get us a new stadium or wind us up in order to get RH. Designated for the football club or leisure perposes isnt it. And if they wound us up it would do there rap alot of harm.

Should be interesting to see if Ron stays.

[Javea Shrimper]

Quote[/b] (footymad13 @ May 29 2004,19:58)]a) I know alot of people in Cardiff had never been to a game before but its impressive to a buyer.

b) wind us up in order to get RH.
a) impressive that over 20,000 football fans wanted to watch a football match at the Millennium Stadium? Not really ...

b) IIRC they can't ...

WS

[footymad13]

Quote[/b] (Javea Shrimper @ May 29 2004,20:01)]
Quote[/b] (footymad13 @ May 29 2004,19:58)]a) I know alot of people in Cardiff had never been to a game before but its impressive to a buyer.

b) wind us up in order to get RH.
a) impressive that over 20,000 football fans wanted to watch a football match at the Millennium Stadium? Not really ...

b) IIRC they can't ...

WS
What Delencey could'nt stop funding us and call in the tab ?

Theres matches played at the Mill Stad all year round, its impressive so many wore Southend colours.

I still maintain if this club was in Division 2 and doing well i.e Hartlepool style we would be getting double the attendence.

[Javea Shrimper]

Quote[/b] (footymad13 @ May 29 2004,20:10)]a) Theres matches played at the Mill Stad all year round, its impressive so many wore Southend colours.

b) I still maintain if this club was in Division 2 and doing well i.e Hartlepool style we would be getting double the attendence.
a) Did they? Sorry FM but I saw very few wearing "Southend colours" and plenty f**k off to the exits when we went 2-0 down ...

b) FM, when we were "doing well" in the First Division and playing very attractive football, we only attracted an average of around 6,500 ... that's TWO divisions above us at the moment ... there's no way we'd be averaging 9,000 a game in we were doing well in the Second Division ... the public are both far too fickle and far too claret-and-blue ...

WS

[footymad13]

Quote[/b] (Javea Shrimper @ May 29 2004,20:15)]
Quote[/b] (footymad13 @ May 29 2004,20:10)]a) Theres matches played at the Mill Stad all year round, its impressive so many wore Southend colours.

b) I still maintain if this club was in Division 2 and doing well i.e Hartlepool style we would be getting double the attendence.
a) Did they? Sorry FM but I saw very few wearing "Southend colours" and plenty f**k off to the exits when we went 2-0 down ...

b) FM, when we were "doing well" in the First Division and playing very attractive football, we only attracted an average of around 6,500 ... that's TWO divisions above us at the moment ... there's no way we'd be averaging 9,000 a game in we were doing well in the Second Division ... the public are both far too fickle and far too claret-and-blue ...

WS
Why not leave the past behind, that was 7 years ago, no one would have paid a billion for tv rights for football then.

Times change.

[Einstein]

Quote[/b] (footymad13 @ May 29 2004,20:20)]
Quote[/b] (Javea Shrimper @ May 29 2004,20:15)]
Quote[/b] (footymad13 @ May 29 2004,20:10)]a) Theres matches played at the Mill Stad all year round, its impressive so many wore Southend colours.

b) I still maintain if this club was in Division 2 and doing well i.e Hartlepool style we would be getting double the attendence.
a) Did they? Sorry FM but I saw very few wearing "Southend colours" and plenty f**k off to the exits when we went 2-0 down ...

b) FM, when we were "doing well" in the First Division and playing very attractive football, we only attracted an average of around 6,500 ... that's TWO divisions above us at the moment ... there's no way we'd be averaging 9,000 a game in we were doing well in the Second Division ... the public are both far too fickle and far too claret-and-blue ...

WS
Why not leave the past behind, that was 7 years ago, no one would have paid a billion for tv rights for football then.

Times change.
Sometimes FM, you show just how naive you are. Look at the bigger picture. I think Javea Shrimper has tried hard to explain to you, however will eventually give up!

How about getting the Southend book and looking at average attendances since our existence in 1906 in accordance with how we performed on the pitch.... I think you'll find they haven't really changed that much substantially in a short period of time!

You keep mentioning how great that we got 20,000 to Cardiff... Well we got 30,000 at home to Liverpool in the 70's.... Did they come back?!

Einstein

[footymad13]

Its not a question of the bigger picture,

Its not naivity, we are getting 4,000 at the moment which gets pushed up to 5-6 depending on promotions and games.

Your telling me its really naive to think doing well in Division two we would get 9-10 thousand.

[Essex Bambi]

Fm13 why don't you go and stand in the corner, count to a billion, then maybe by the time you have finished you may have something relevant and realistic to say.

[footymad13]

Oh and the new stadium effect that has worked so well with clubs like Reading


In Div 2, chellenging for a top half/play off finish at FF - 8,000+

[Einstein]

Quote[/b] (footymad13 @ May 29 2004,20:57)]Its not a question of the bigger picture,

Its not naivity, we are getting 4,000 at the moment which gets pushed up to 5-6 depending on promotions and games.

Your telling me its really naive to think doing well in Division two we would get 9-10 thousand.
Yes it is naive, I know you were just at test tube stage in your life when we were in the First Division, but on two different occasions we were top for several games. We still did not get capacity crowds at Roots Hall.

We are not a footballing town, wake up and smell the coffee.

Einstein

[Essex Bambi]

Test Tube?
Stop being so nice to him

Interesting to note that Reading's gate actually fell when they first moved from Elm Park. They picked up only when there was a playing revival.

But, hey, why let facts get in the way of a theory?

[Welsh_Shrimperz]

We got more fans than the one we in 1st Div, but most of 3rd Div side only bring around 200+ away fans while the like of Wolves, Crystal Palace & Ipswich etc bring around 1000+ away fans.

20,000+ fans at Cardiff in LDV Final is not bad considering Borient bought 12,000+ for the play-off final Vs Blackpool in 2001. Cheltenham Vs R & Diamond got around 20,000 (or few more) for their Play-Off final in 2002. Image if we played LDV Final or Play-Off final at Wembley in 3 year time, and yes we have fans base, its up to Southend Utd to peform on the pitch - just keep the faith.

I reckon we can get 10,000+ for a top 3 clash & full house for the play-off semi final ... time will tell.

[footymad13]

Quote[/b] (Einstein @ May 29 2004,21:33)]
Quote[/b] (footymad13 @ May 29 2004,20:57)]Its not a question of the bigger picture,

Its not naivity, we are getting 4,000 at the moment which gets pushed up to 5-6 depending on promotions and games.

Your telling me its really naive to think doing well in Division two we would get 9-10 thousand.
Yes it is naive, I know you were just at test tube stage in your life when we were in the First Division, but on two different occasions we were top for several games. We still did not get capacity crowds at Roots Hall.

We are not a footballing town, wake up and smell the coffee.

Einstein
So why the hell did 20,000 go to Cardiff, if its not interested in football?

In the past we have not shown support, and as you quite rightly said i was only a sprog but we now have a new generation supporting Southend.

[King of Berks]

Quote[/b] (footymad13 @ May 30 2004,00:55)]So why the hell did 20,000 go to Cardiff
a) for a day out

b) to be part of history

c) general football fans, not southend (I saw several other teams represented in our end)

d) Glory hunters

to be honest, the only ones out of that lot that we stand a chance of getting to support southend regularly are the glory hunters, and then only when we're on the up.

Mind you, with wet sham not promoted, and, bearing in mind they'll lose carrick, having missed probably their best chance for a while, I wouldnt be surprised if we picked up a few of their borderline fans.

May also find a few of their fans in Southend, that were willing to travel to Upton Park for premiersh*te teams wont fancy the journey for Div 1 teams. May get a few of them too. Mind you, would you really want people at Roots hall who really support another team higher up in the league structure? http://www.shrimperzone.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif

[Einstein]

Quote[/b] (footymad13 @ May 30 2004,00:55)]So why the hell did 20,000 go to Cardiff, if its not interested in football?

In the past we have not shown support, and as you quite rightly said i was only a sprog but we now have a new generation supporting Southend.
In the past we have not shown support? Not entirely sure what you mean there, but if this town has never shown support for a football club then why are we to my knowledge the only football club to have its ground built by its own fans? We seem to have a small loyal base of supporters, but it just cannot increase on a constant basis past that!

I think the above posts quite rightly state the answers to your first question so no need to duplicate.

As I said FM, go out and buy the history book of Southend and stop pretending that you know everything as your making yourself look very silly indeed.

Einstein

[Essex Bambi]

FM we know you love Arsenal but face it we are never going to be as big as them, whoever plays for us, however good we are, and whereever we play so get over it.

[footymad13]

Quote[/b] (Einstein @ May 30 2004,01:25)]
Quote[/b] (footymad13 @ May 30 2004,00:55)]So why the hell did 20,000 go to Cardiff, if its not interested in football?

In the past we have not shown support, and as you quite rightly said i was only a sprog but we now have a new generation supporting Southend.
In the past we have not shown support? Not entirely sure what you mean there, but if this town has never shown support for a football club then why are we to my knowledge the only football club to have its ground built by its own fans?

I think the above posts quite rightly state the answers to your first question so no need to duplicate.

As I said FM, go out and buy the history book of Southend and stop pretending that you know everything as your making yourself look very silly indeed.

Einstein
Its not a question of knowing everything, look at the gates this season.

We have spent the whole season in the bottom half of the table yet we are getting 4,000-6,000

[Essex Bambi]

Quote[/b] (footymad13 @ May 29 2004,20:10)]Theres matches played at the Mill Stad all year round, its impressive so many wore Southend colours.

I still maintain if this club was in Division 2 and doing well i.e Hartlepool style we would be getting double the attendence.
No we wouldnt double the attendence because we are a small club and it doesnt matter what division we are in we always will be, the opposite to Sheffield Wednesday and Man City, whatever division they are in they will always have big gates. The only games we will get big gates for are the big games.
And I know at least two people who borrowed shirts for the big game and as i didnt know that many people there that is quite a high percentage, while also knowing someone who buys a shirt every season but hasnt been to a game for the last 3 years or so.

[Einstein]

Quote[/b] (footymad13 @ May 30 2004,02:17)]Its not a question of knowing everything, look at the gates this season.

We have spent the whole season in the bottom half of the table yet we are getting 4,000-6,000
My god, how many times do we have to go over this. Southend has languished in the bottom division for most of its 98 year term in the football league and we still could not get capacity crowds when we were in the First Division! Stop reflecting everything to this season and 20,000 fans to Cardiff, and its not about me living in the past, its realism.

Einstein

[Javea Shrimper]

Quote[/b] (footymad13 @ May 29 2004,20:57)]Your telling me its really naive to think doing well in Division two we would get 9-10 thousand.
Yep. Because when we were doing well in the old Division Three back in 1990/91 (now Division Two for all you young pups) and I mean REALLY doing well (like running away with the title before we fecked it up at the end), we STILL only managed to haul in 6,000 at the most into Roots Hall. Times haven't changed that much ...

WS

[overseas shrimper]

Quote[/b] (footymad13 @ May 29 2004,21:57)]Its not a question of the bigger picture,

Its not naivity, we are getting 4,000 at the moment which gets pushed up to 5-6 depending on promotions and games.

Your telling me its really naive to think doing well in Division two we would get 9-10 thousand.
In a word? Yes.

All that money being spent on TV rights is designed to channel support into the big teams, thus going against your arguement.

You are basing your hypothesis on pure conjecture... whereas the counter arguement is based on facts... which you are ignoring.

There is no evidence that suggests we'd pull in 9-10,000 if we're doing very well in division 2 OR division 1.

We'd love to be wrong, but the evidence is absolutely, overwhelmingly against that.

What next? Are you going to try and argue that the world is, in fact, flat?

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[Javea Shrimper]

Quote[/b] (overseas shrimper @ May 30 2004,07:56)]What next? Are you going to try and argue that the world is, in fact, flat?

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Isn't it?!

WS

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[Javea Shrimper]

Quote[/b] (footymad13 @ May 30 2004,02:17)]We have spent the whole season in the bottom half of the table yet we are getting 4,000-6,000
Our biggest gates last season coincided with :

a) games against local rivals, which will always get bigger attendances irrespective of position in a league table;

b) promotions put together by the club's commercial department, such as the Family Days.

We still barely got 4,000 through the gates for the bottom-of-the-table six-pointer against Macclesfield Town, a game that demanded the full support of the people of the town. That's the indicator ...

WS

[footymad13]

This town is a glory hunting town you know that. Why do the people wanna spend £15 to watch a religation scr*p ?

New Stadium, Good football and a good day out and you may see some change.

[The General]

£16.50 actually ...

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[Bigdel]

......maybe £ 15.00 if we are in the conference south http://www.shrimperzone.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/ghostface.gif

[Javea Shrimper]

Quote[/b] (footymad13 @ May 30 2004,18:43)]a) Why do the people wanna spend £15 to watch a religation scr*p ?

b) New Stadium, Good football and a good day out and you may see some change.
a) ... because they SUPPORT Southend United perhaps and want to see them come out on top in such a relegation scr*p? Sounds to me like you're one of the glory-hunters, FM.

b) ... I know Fossetts Farm is on the outskirts of town but it's not THAT far out of town?!

WS

[blues_r_best]

I have an idea that might help us get a capacity crowd.

All Southend fans have 20 children each, no matter who you are or what gender you are then in 5,6,7 years time we may get crowds of around 80,000.

I reckon we should get practicing.

[footymad13]

Quote[/b] (Javea Shrimper @ May 30 2004,19:29)]Sounds to me like you're one of the glory-hunters, FM.

WS
How in gods name do you work that out ?

Why would i go to sh*t holes like Macclesfield ?

[Yorkshire Blue]

Quote[/b] (footymad13 @ May 30 2004,02:17)]We have spent the whole season in the bottom half of the table yet we are getting 4,000-6,000
FM, I take it you're one of these people who thinks the club fiddles the figures.

When I had a look at the official figures over a third of our league attendances were under the 4,000 level you reckon makes up our core support.

Its a shame that your numeracy is now letting you down as your English (the complete absence of punctuation aside) seems to have improved.

[overseas shrimper]

Quote[/b] (footymad13 @ May 30 2004,21:21)]How in gods name do you work that out ?

Why would i go to sh*t holes like Macclesfield ?
Because you're so stupid, you can't even get the art of 'Glory Hunting' right.

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[footymad13]

Quote[/b] (Yorkshire Blue @ May 31 2004,07:19)]
Quote[/b] (footymad13 @ May 30 2004,02:17)]We have spent the whole season in the bottom half of the table yet we are getting 4,000-6,000
FM, I take it you're one of these people who thinks the club fiddles the figures.
No i don't, although some of the big games perhaps but generally no.

[overseas shrimper]

Quote[/b] (footymad13 @ May 31 2004,19:10)]
Quote[/b] (Yorkshire Blue @ May 31 2004,07:19)]
Quote[/b] (footymad13 @ May 30 2004,02:17)]We have spent the whole season in the bottom half of the table yet we are getting 4,000-6,000
FM, I take it you're one of these people who thinks the club fiddles the figures.
No i don't...

...although some of the big games perhaps...
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[footymad13]

Generally No but for the odd game yes.

[BluePartridge]

As I said to an 'Uddersfield fan, I don't care if a couple of vagrants and a dog called Colin are our only attendance they will always be my Southend. Look at Torquay they can go up, don't know if they'll stay, with half the fans we get.

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[Smiffy]

Brilliant find!

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Oh dear Mike!

Humble pie?...

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[The Artful Shrimper]

Quote[/b] (Javea Shrimper @ May 30 2004,06:12)]we STILL only managed to haul in 6,000 at the most into Roots Hall. Times haven't changed that much ...

WS
*cough cough *

[The Flying Scotsman]

FM - A True Visionary!

[MK Shrimper]

God reading some of those posts were painful....just two seasons ago....my god how things have changed.......... http://www.shrimperzone.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[londonblue]

Quote[/b] (swanseashrimper @ May 30 2004,01:04)]
Quote[/b] (footymad13 @ May 30 2004,00:55)]So why the hell did 20,000 go to Cardiff
That's not really relevant is it? These people went because it was a cup final at the Millenium Stadium.

What we should be looking at is how many went to the play off final.

[Shrimp in a Kilt]

Debate is good, but the sort of abuse that FM13 took from almost every poster there is well out of order.

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Quote[/b] ]footymad13 last posted in Shrimpers Chit-Chat in And now the end is near on Nov. 18 2005,15:35

Not suprised he doesn't bother anymore. http://www.shrimperzone.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif

[Shrimp in a Kilt]

(Echo)

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[Smiffy]

Come back FM!...

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[Murkey_Mouse]

FM is the winner! Well Done for being correct, I did believe you when you said that we will get adv. crowd of 6,000 & we has 8'000 this season!

[hexagon_sun]

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[Upminster Blue]

Quote[/b] (Shrimp in a Kilt @ May 17 2006,15:26)]Debate is good, but the sort of abuse that FM13 took from almost every poster there is well out of order.

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[Spaceman Spiff]

Quote[/b] (Shrimp in a Kilt @ May 17 2006,15:26)]Debate is good, but the sort of abuse that FM13 took from almost every poster there is well out of order.

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Quote[/b] ]footymad13 last posted in Shrimpers Chit-Chat in And now the end is near on Nov. 18 2005,15:35

Not suprised he doesn't bother anymore. * http://www.shrimperzone.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif
Some sort of collective 'Zone apology is in order I think...

It also shows that we can drive regulars away with our attitude on here - something to consider maybe, especially in the light of 'cliquegate'...

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[Einstein]

Quote[/b] (Upminster Blue @ May 17 2006,16:21)]
Quote[/b] (Shrimp in a Kilt @ May 17 2006,15:26)]Debate is good, but the sort of abuse that FM13 took from almost every poster there is well out of order.

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FM is indeed correct... At the moment.

I still standby though that if we suffer a painful relegation battle next year then I would be very surprised of maintaining attendances the following season. Two years later I still standby that.

If in two years time we have achieved positions of 13th-21st in the Championship then someone can resurrect this thread again and I will eat humble pie once again!

[Einstein]

Quote[/b] (Shrimp in a Kilt @ May 17 2006,15:26)]Debate is good, but the sort of abuse that FM13 took from almost every poster there is well out of order.

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Quote[/b] ]footymad13 last posted in Shrimpers Chit-Chat in And now the end is near on Nov. 18 2005,15:35

Not suprised he doesn't bother anymore. * http://www.shrimperzone.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif
I would be very surprised if he doesn't post anymore. I would guess just under a different alias now...

And that thread may well have been over the top, but not really a true reflection on the amount of drivel he used to post either. Bit like only showing 5% of the evidence to a jury of a court!

[Angell Delight]

Thank god for that!! Thought this thread was posted today!!

Where's the emoticon for (phew) http://www.shrimperzone.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

[Shrimp in a Kilt]

Quote[/b] (Einstein @ May 17 2006,16:41)]I would be very surprised if he doesn't post anymore. I would guess just under a different alias now...

And that thread may well have been over the top, but not really a true reflection on the amount of drivel he used to post either. *Bit like only showing 5% of the evidence to a jury of a court!
To be honest Einstien, I don't think any poster, even SOTW, deserves abuse in place of reasoned response, however irritating or allegedly misguided they are. Nothing wrong with disagreeing politely.

[The General]

That's brillaint.

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[CSWICKFORDSHRIMPER]

Poor Footymad13 was rip apart by our so called senior Shrimper fans ...who no all .... just shows the young fella was right :-)

I also take my hat of with the 6000 other Season Ticket holders this year

One Team In Essex
SOUTHEND UNITED FC

Hamsters we are behind u watch out cos the SHRIMPERS are Coming

[Upminster Blue]

Still no sign of Xabia Shrimper ... http://www.shrimperzone.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif

[Winkle]

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Footymad13 ....the messiah!

[Jam_Man]

Quote[/b] (Einstein @ May 17 2006,16:36)]FM is indeed correct... At the moment.

I still standby though that if we suffer a painful relegation battle next year then I would be very surprised of maintaining attendances the following season. *Two years later I still standby that.

If in two years time we have achieved positions of 13th-21st in the Championship then someone can resurrect this thread again and I will eat humble pie once again!
I do agree that if we had a couple of bad seasons and end up back in League two our attendances would indeed drop back down drastically.

However it was the adamant statements that even if we were doing well in league one or above we still wouldnt get capacity crowds statements that have come back to bite people http://www.shrimperzone.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

People were making the reasonable assumption that when we went up last time we werent getting capacity crowds in Div one , however times have changed and theres a different atmosphere now. Far more kids at games etc.

If someone had said a month ago we could be looking at 6,500 season tickets I wouldnt have believed them!

Have to say that if we can have a half decent couple of seasons and manage to get a new ground after that it could be a huge boost to the club and could mean our average attendances get cemented a little.

[Desert Shrimper]

Quote[/b] (Einstein @ May 29 2004,21:33)]
Quote[/b] (footymad13 @ May 29 2004,20:57)]Its not a question of the bigger picture,

Its not naivity, we are getting 4,000 at the moment which gets pushed up to 5-6 depending on promotions and games.

Your telling me its really naive to think doing well in Division two we would get 9-10 thousand.
Yes it is naive, I know you were just at test tube stage in your life when we were in the First Division, but on two different occasions we were top for several games. We still did not get capacity crowds at Roots Hall.

We are not a footballing town, wake up and smell the coffee.

Einstein
I didn't enjoy reading this topic as I think it shows a young boy getting bullied by people who should know better for the heinous crime of reasonably stating his opinions. Good on him that he turned out to be right!

I use the word "bully" because it's interesting to note that once Xabia disagreed with him you then have a bunch of people at least twice his age piling in on him for seemingly no other reason than to curry favour with more popular posters. There's no reasoned debate either, just insults and patronising comments along the lines that he's not entitled to an opinion because he's too young. Well he showed what a load of b******s that is, didn't he?

I hope FM didn't disappear from this board because of this kind of treatment but I suspect that he did.

[Murkey_Mouse]

You still can find him in East Stand area, he did say that he watch SUFC from East Stand, Iam sure he won't miss out an chance of watching Championship football next season.

[Murkey_Mouse]

Quote[/b] ]Oh and the new stadium effect that has worked so well with clubs like Reading


In Div 2, chellenging for a top half/play off finish at FF - 8,000+


FM got these spot on as well, we might end up getting 6'000 season ticket holder by end of may 2006! instead of 6'000 every home game, we could end up getting nearly 10'000 every home game!

[Murkey_Mouse]

I can image what the crowd will be like at Fossett Farm in 2008/09 season!

[Firestorm]

Personally I am pleasantly surprised at the increased gates recently and the massive season ticket take up.

The last time we won promotion to the 2nd Division we averaged 9697 for the last 3 games of which 69.3% turned up for the first game of the next season (which is during the holiday season so there will be a number who can't make it)

If that appearance rate was to apply next season we could expect 7620 to show up for the first game of next season.
Even with 5-6,000 season ticket holders i don't think this will be very far out (8500 I reckon) .

So we have increased our fan base over the last 15 years , how ? why ?...
personally think that there has been a bit of a backlash to Armchair fans who only watch on the telly, with a greater number of younger supporters choosing to watch the game live. That combined with a greater feeling for the board at SUFC has lead to more youngsters coming for the first time and a number of dissatified customers from the 80's returning (Plus gates are on the up across the country as a whole anyway).
The older members of the board have had years of false dawns and dissapointments to both temper the enthusiasm, weaken the spirit and cultivate a hard cynical pessismistic nature (which in fairness usually proves correct in SUFC's case) . In this thread I feel that , although approached wrongly, there was an element of "don't get you hopes up son, cos it will all end in tears" in an attempt to temper the runaway enthusiasm we were experiencing. But some one didn't tell the big man upstairs that this is SUFC and we should come down with a bump, and we have carried on !!!

[Murkey_Mouse]

Good point there Firestorm:

I do remeber when we was around the play-off zone in old Div 1 (now Championship) in Dec 1995, we got around 5'000 when we play Birmingham, which we won 3-1. I think Brummie bring around 800 with them. I was an kid that time.

In the last 6 season in old Div 1, we get an avg. of 5'500 or under. That was the 'era under Vic jobson who once said to Southender "if you don't like the way I run the club, there is another 91 club for you go and watch".

*Correct me if I was wrong*

Forward to 2006, under Ron Martin, this is different Southend Utd FC to the one we experince in 80's & 90's era. This club will move forward & the fans base will grow as well - even we get relegated next season, we got the players (expect like of Luke & Freddy who might go to Premier$hite side), Manager & Chairman to re-build and move forward again, not like the club from 1996 to 1999 when we neary fall right through the Division.

[Bob Cratchitt]

Quote[/b] (The Bloke In The Pram Shop @ May 19 2006,11:03)]I hope FM didn't disappear from this board because of this kind of treatment but I suspect that he did.
Well if you look at his profile you can see that

Last login date: May 04 2006,18:10

So I guess he eithers pops in from time to time or does post under a different name, but checks his FM account for any pleasant PMs. http://www.shrimperzone.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[Upminster Blue]

Quote[/b] (The Bloke In The Pram Shop @ May 19 2006,11:03)]I use the word "bully" because it's interesting to note that once Xabia disagreed with him you then have a bunch of people at least twice his age piling in on him for seemingly no other reason than to curry favour with more popular posters.
The silence from Xabia Shrimper on this subject is deafening although he is posting on other threads. Surprising ...

[grayhound]

When went to Parade we went to ground before the bus left and spoke to Ron Martin. He signed my inflatable cup and said he will even write on it "the new ground will be here by July 2008".

[BluePartridge]

I remember telling Luke not to listen to you people anyway. http://www.shrimperzone.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/blush.gif

[Uncle Leo]

I think we're done here.

[Spaceman Spiff]

I havent seen any PMs on this subject - and happen to disagree with my mod friend Uxbridge Shrimper (Sorry James! *http://www.shrimperzone.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif ). No clique here!

I for one would like to see some kind of apology for what I agree was bullying...

Those big enough to dish it out should be big enough to admit the error of their ways. *It takes a big man to admit you were wrong, and it wasnt just Xabia Shrimper either.

[Smiffy]

Come on then gents, where's the apologies....

Tic Toc Tic Toc......

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[Xàbia Shrimper]

Upminster Blue seems to have some sort of obsession with me so I'd better respond (although I should point out that this is the first time I have been able to do so as I'm don't tend to sit in front of my PC 24 hours a day, especially as the temperatures are up in the low 30s.)

Times have indeed changed and, like Firestorm, I am pleasantly surprised that Southend United have hauled themselves out of the mire and given some pride back to the town. Two years ago it looked extremely unlikely that would happen and I defy anyone who suggests otherwise. It's been an amazing journey and let's just enjoy it, eh?

With regards to FM13, Luke and I had many private discussions via other means to iron out our differences a long time ago. If you care to scan through the Forum at that time, you will also find a public apology for getting a little carried away (I neither have the time nor can I be bothered to find it; I suggest Upminster Blue gets searching to help with his apparent fixation.) If you also care to read this thread again, you will note that there is a DEBATE between several fans about the fluctuation in attendances and the perceived notion that attendances would rise significantly with success. At the time it was believed that they wouldn't. None of us had a crystal ball so none of us could definately say what would or would not happen over the last two years. The accusations of bullying on my part seem somewhat misplaced as I engaged in debate with Luke; others were far more dismissive yet it seems to be me that is attracting all the attentions of the Witchfinder General.

As far as I am concerned (and I sure Luke will agree) this is water under the bridge and an issue closed long ago. Continue with the witch-hunt if you wish, but at least I was man enough to say sorry to the fellow ...

[Upminster Blue]

Quote[/b] (Xàbia Shrimper @ May 20 2006,07:58)]Upminster Blue seems to have some sort of obsession with me so I'd better respond (although I should point out that this is the first time I have been able to do so as I'm don't tend to sit in front of my PC 24 hours a day, especially as the temperatures are up in the low 30s.)

Times have indeed changed and, like Firestorm, I am pleasantly surprised that Southend United have hauled themselves out of the mire and given some pride back to the town. Two years ago it looked extremely unlikely that would happen and I defy anyone who suggests otherwise. It's been an amazing journey and let's just enjoy it, eh?

With regards to FM13, Luke and I had many private discussions via other means to iron out our differences a long time ago. If you care to scan through the Forum at that time, you will also find a public apology for getting a little carried away (I neither have the time nor can I be bothered to find it; I suggest Upminster Blue gets searching to help with his apparent fixation.) If you also care to read this thread again, you will note that there is a DEBATE between several fans about the fluctuation in attendances and the perceived notion that attendances would rise significantly with success. At the time it was believed that they wouldn't. None of us had a crystal ball so none of us could definately say what would or would not happen over the last two years. The accusations of bullying on my part seem somewhat misplaced as I engaged in debate with Luke; others were far more dismissive yet it seems to be me that is attracting all the attentions of the Witchfinder General.

As far as I am concerned (and I sure Luke will agree) this is water under the bridge and an issue closed long ago. Continue with the witch-hunt if you wish, but at least I was man enough to say sorry to the fellow ...
No fixation at all, as you will see from previous posts where I noted that there were several posters picking on FM13. However, you were the cheif bullier, for want of a better phrase, on the original thread and are a prominent SZ poster. That stuck in my mind when I read the original posts two years ago and I was amazed that no one picked up on it at the time (which I should have done in hindsight). When Artful resurected the thread and I re-read it it seemed twice as bad (and not because FM13 was right, that's irrelevant).

Despite having posted on other threads in the last couple of days you have chosen to ignore this thread, presumably to "keep your head down". Slightly cowardly in my book. You have only responded when there have been several calls to do so from a number of posters. Why didn't you post something like "yep, in hindsight I was a bit OTT and I apologised shortly after to FM13"?

It's very underhand to twist this around to me to deflect flack away from yourself - if you'd done the big thing (or in fact just the right thing) and acknowledeged that you'd gone OTT then we all could have moved on a lot sooner and started to talk about what really matters - SUFC!

Finally, if SZ is to expand, and be inclusive of all, it has to move away from the apparent appearance of groups of posters who appear to be known to each other excluding or deriding "outsiders". The FM13 thread is the classic example of how not to do it!

[Spaceman Spiff]

Nice one Mike http://www.shrimperzone.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[Xàbia Shrimper]

Quote[/b] (Upminster Blue @ May 20 2006,10:40)]Despite having posted on other threads in the last couple of days you have chosen to ignore this thread, presumably to "keep your head down". *Slightly cowardly in my book. *You have only responded when there have been several calls to do so from a number of posters. *Why didn't you post something like "yep, in hindsight I was a bit OTT and I apologised shortly after to FM13"?
How DARE you call me cowardly! HOW DARE YOU!

I didn't respond because I have had little time to read the forum in the past couple of days! I DO NOT monitor this forum 24 hours a day! Do you?!

I have explained that Luke and I cleared things up long ago. If you wish to continue with this witch-hunt then I suggest we do it via alternative means ...

[Spaceman Spiff]

Quote[/b] (Upminster Blue @ May 20 2006,09:40)]
Quote[/b] (Xàbia Shrimper @ May 20 2006,07:58)]Upminster Blue seems to have some sort of obsession with me so I'd better respond (although I should point out that this is the first time I have been able to do so as I'm don't tend to sit in front of my PC 24 hours a day, especially as the temperatures are up in the low 30s.)

Times have indeed changed and, like Firestorm, I am pleasantly surprised that Southend United have hauled themselves out of the mire and given some pride back to the town. Two years ago it looked extremely unlikely that would happen and I defy anyone who suggests otherwise. It's been an amazing journey and let's just enjoy it, eh?

With regards to FM13, Luke and I had many private discussions via other means to iron out our differences a long time ago. If you care to scan through the Forum at that time, you will also find a public apology for getting a little carried away (I neither have the time nor can I be bothered to find it; I suggest Upminster Blue gets searching to help with his apparent fixation.) If you also care to read this thread again, you will note that there is a DEBATE between several fans about the fluctuation in attendances and the perceived notion that attendances would rise significantly with success. At the time it was believed that they wouldn't. None of us had a crystal ball so none of us could definately say what would or would not happen over the last two years. The accusations of bullying on my part seem somewhat misplaced as I engaged in debate with Luke; others were far more dismissive yet it seems to be me that is attracting all the attentions of the Witchfinder General.

As far as I am concerned (and I sure Luke will agree) this is water under the bridge and an issue closed long ago. Continue with the witch-hunt if you wish, but at least I was man enough to say sorry to the fellow ...
No fixation at all, as you will see from previous posts where I noted that there were several posters picking on FM13. However, you were the cheif bullier, for want of a better phrase, on the original thread and are a prominent SZ poster. That stuck in my mind when I read the original posts two years ago and I was amazed that no one picked up on it at the time (which I should have done in hindsight). *When Artful resurected the thread and I re-read it it seemed twice as bad (and not because FM13 was right, that's irrelevant).

Despite having posted on other threads in the last couple of days you have chosen to ignore this thread, presumably to "keep your head down". *Slightly cowardly in my book. *You have only responded when there have been several calls to do so from a number of posters. *Why didn't you post something like "yep, in hindsight I was a bit OTT and I apologised shortly after to FM13"?

It's very underhand to twist this around to me to deflect flack away from yourself - if you'd done the big thing (or in fact just the right thing) and acknowledeged that you'd gone OTT then we all could have moved on a lot sooner and started to talk about what really matters - SUFC! *

Finally, if SZ is to expand, and be inclusive of all, it has to move away from the apparent appearance of groups of posters who appear to be known to each other excluding or deriding "outsiders". *The FM13 thread is the classic example of how not to do it!
I think Mike has responded quite well enough.

Interesting that you havent chosen to chide Einstein and a couple of others for deriding FM as 'naive', 'irrelevant' and all the rest, with quite the same gusto?

Those who think we 'should' not be discussing this at all - this is a public board and if people want to discuss this they should be able to. Sensorship has to be used sparingly and only for those threads/posts which contravene the rules of the site.

[Xàbia Shrimper]

Quote[/b] (Spaceman Spiff @ May 20 2006,10:49)]I think Mike has responded quite well enough ... interesting that you havent chosen to chide Einstein and a couple of others for deriding FM as 'naive', 'irrelevant' and all the rest, with quite the same gusto?
Exactly, Steve! Although my 'arguments' with Luke were (at the time) questioning the validity of the argument for increased attendances - and I don't recall ever calling him names in this particular debate - I'm the one who gets all the flak!

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[CSWICKFORDSHRIMPER]

Quote[/b] (Xàbia Shrimper @ May 20 2006,09:47)]
Quote[/b] (Upminster Blue @ May 20 2006,10:40)]Despite having posted on other threads in the last couple of days you have chosen to ignore this thread, presumably to "keep your head down". *Slightly cowardly in my book. *You have only responded when there have been several calls to do so from a number of posters. *Why didn't you post something like "yep, in hindsight I was a bit OTT and I apologised shortly after to FM13"?
How DARE you call me cowardly! HOW DARE YOU!

I didn't respond because I have had little time to read the forum in the past couple of days! I DO NOT monitor this forum 24 hours a day! Do you?!

I have explained that Luke and I cleared things up long ago. If you wish to continue with this witch-hunt then I suggest we do it via alternative means ...
This post just gets better all the time... :-)

Its all matter of opinion... Im glad to say the Shrimperzone is still by far the best site for Southend Supporters...

Up it up Boys n Girls

One Team In Essex
SOUTHEND UNITED FC

[Xàbia Shrimper]

Quote[/b] (CSWICKFORDSHRIMPER @ May 20 2006,10:54)]This post just gets better all the time... *:-)
I'm glad you find it funny, Rich.

[Xàbia Shrimper]

Quote[/b] (Upminster Blue @ May 18 2006,15:28)]Still no sign of Xabia Shrimper ... *http://www.shrimperzone.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif
Who's gone f%&king quiet now, eh?! *http://www.shrimperzone.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif

[prittlewellshrimper]

im posting this to see if the thread is still open .............. if you are reading this why has the other thread been opened !!

[Xàbia Shrimper]

Because this one was started on May 29th 2004, almost two years ago, but someone wanted to prove a point by bumping it up to the present day.

[Murkey_Mouse]

Nice One Mike, you are an real man for replaying to this topic. Only an real coward won't replay to this topic, you are NOT an coward Mike.

Look like CD Javea doing well in 2nd half of the season, they could be an promotion challenger next season. Iam an Nástic Tarragona supporter, this spainish side is simler to Southend, rise from Spainish verision of League 2 to La Liga in just few season, derby with FC Barcelona could happen if they win 3 from last 5 game to gain promotion.

Its be nice if Southend can copy Nástic Tarragona and do the same in next few season http://www.shrimperzone.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[Bob Cratchitt]

No I think you will find it was not to prove a point but too highlight how most of us were to cynical to believe what Luke was suggesting, after all he was only a spotty kid at the time so what would he know, whereas us older poster have years of experience. I include myself in this, as was probably anyone who had seen our last double promotion and the dismal gates were getting even in the Division 2 (one/championship).

I congratulate Steve for re-opening the thread as I did think that this was not needed to be closed. Whatever comment we have made in the past we should stand by it, for at the time we thought we were right. After all hindsight is a great sight.

Oh Steve taking a trip back to memory lane surely you meant censorship. ;) Do you remember the days when everyone was chastised for their spelling mistakes by the spelling B clique? Hmm I wonder who their members were. http://www.shrimperzone.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/oops.gif http://www.shrimperzone.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif

[Shrimp in a Kilt]

Quote[/b] (Bob Cratchitt @ May 20 2006,12:49)]most of us were to cynical to believe what Luke was suggesting,
not to but too


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[Bob Cratchitt]

I had to leave something in there. http://www.shrimperzone.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

Just to show that I am not without sin. http://www.shrimperzone.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/cool.gif

[Shrimp in a Kilt]

Quote[/b] (Bob Cratchitt @ May 20 2006,12:55)]I had to leave something in there. *http://www.shrimperzone.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

Just to show that I am not without sin. *http://www.shrimperzone.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/cool.gif
Very Biblical! http://www.shrimperzone.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif

Perhaps this would be a good point to stop all the fighting and move on to happier matters?

Mike, it's too hot over there to be getting hot under the collar as well.

UB, you feel strongly about this, but Mike has now stated that he and Luke sorted their diffences out at the time. Not worth fighting over, certainly not worth pejorative* utterances.

Einstein has responded.

Yorkshire Bambi chooses not to, as far as I've seen, and that is his right.

Surely it has to be up to FM13 if he wants to pursue it, and the Mods to make a note to keep an eye out to make sure that any similar over-personalised thread gets nipped in the bud.

*Word of the day: Pejorative

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[Xàbia Shrimper]

Quote[/b] (Bob Cratchitt @ May 20 2006,13:49)]Whatever comment we have made in the past we should stand by it, for at the time we thought we were right. After all hindsight is a great sight.
Exactly, Andy. We may have been proved wrong (and I am only too happy to accept that; 5,000 seaso's is phenomenal!) but at the time Southend United looked a long, long way from the Championship!

[Upminster Blue]

Quote[/b] (Xàbia Shrimper @ May 20 2006,09:47)]
Quote[/b] (Upminster Blue @ May 20 2006,10:40)]Despite having posted on other threads in the last couple of days you have chosen to ignore this thread, presumably to "keep your head down". *Slightly cowardly in my book. *You have only responded when there have been several calls to do so from a number of posters. *Why didn't you post something like "yep, in hindsight I was a bit OTT and I apologised shortly after to FM13"?
How DARE you call me cowardly! HOW DARE YOU!
If you re-read my post you will see that I did not call you cowardly - I expressed an argued and reasoned personal opinion, which I thought this forum was all about.

And, if you want to start crying wolf on name calling and making personal attacks, please remember your comments about fixation and needing help cast in my direction.

[Xàbia Shrimper]

Quote[/b] (Upminster Blue @ May 20 2006,18:27)][If you re-read my post you will see that I did not call you cowardly - I expressed an opinion, which I thought this forum was all about.

And, if you want to start name calling or making pesonal attacks, please remember your comments about fixation and needing help cast in my direction.
Keep pedalling, son ... nice edit ...

[Upminster Blue]

Quote[/b] (Spaceman Spiff @ May 20 2006,09:49)]Interesting that you havent chosen to chide Einstein and a couple of others for deriding FM as 'naive', 'irrelevant' and all the rest, with quite the same gusto?
Einstein was quick off the mark to acknowledge he was a bit strong with FM13.

What bugs me, is that there could be a lot of younger, newer, fans reading this site. *The last thing I would want to see is that they get the wrong impression of what being a Southend fan is all about and be put off continuing (this appears to be the case with FM13 - doesn't often visit this site now and I can't remember the last time I saw him at a game). *That would be a real shame. *

The more inclusive this board and the club as a whole can be so much the better.

[Upminster Blue]

Quote[/b] (Xàbia Shrimper @ May 20 2006,10:11)]
Quote[/b] (Upminster Blue @ May 18 2006,15:28)]Still no sign of Xabia Shrimper ... *http://www.shrimperzone.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif
Who's gone f%&king quiet now, eh?! *http://www.shrimperzone.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif
Nice reasoned argument I see.

[Upminster Blue]

Quote[/b] (Xàbia Shrimper @ May 20 2006,12:24)]Because this one was started on May 29th 2004, almost two years ago, but someone wanted to prove a point by bumping it up to the present day.
And please note that it was not me who bumped it.

[Xàbia Shrimper]

Quote[/b] (Upminster Blue @ May 20 2006,18:37)]
Quote[/b] (Spaceman Spiff @ May 20 2006,09:49)]Interesting that you havent chosen to chide Einstein and a couple of others for deriding FM as 'naive', 'irrelevant' and all the rest, with quite the same gusto?

Einstein was quick off the mark to acknowledge he was a bit strong with FM13.
As I have tried to explain to you several times, I DO NOT monitor this forum 24 hours a day and I replied as soon as I was aware of this thread returning to the top. I don't not what else you want, mate?

[Upminster Blue]

Quote[/b] (Xàbia Shrimper @ May 20 2006,17:31)]
Quote[/b] (Upminster Blue @ May 20 2006,18:27)][If you re-read my post you will see that I did not call you cowardly - I expressed an opinion, which I thought this forum was all about.

And, if you want to start name calling or making pesonal attacks, please remember your comments about fixation and needing help cast in my direction.
Keep pedalling, son ... nice edit ...
... very condescending.

Unlike you, I am not perfect, and reserve the right to edit a post if it is not quite right first time.

[Xàbia Shrimper]

Quote[/b] (Upminster Blue @ May 20 2006,18:39)]Nice reasoned argument I see.
There's no point with you, is there?

[Xàbia Shrimper]

Quote[/b] (Upminster Blue @ May 20 2006,18:44)]... very condescending.
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[Upminster Blue]

Quote[/b] (Xàbia Shrimper @ May 20 2006,17:43)]
Quote[/b] (Upminster Blue @ May 20 2006,18:37)]
Quote[/b] (Spaceman Spiff @ May 20 2006,09:49)]Interesting that you havent chosen to chide Einstein and a couple of others for deriding FM as 'naive', 'irrelevant' and all the rest, with quite the same gusto?

Einstein was quick off the mark to acknowledge he was a bit strong with FM13.
As I have tried to explain to you several times, I DO NOT monitor this forum 24 hours a day and I replied as soon as I was aware of this thread returning to the top. I don't not what else you want, mate?
Ok, fair enough. I suggest we move on as this is not achieving anything constructive and, frankly, I have better things to do (not least read threads that are actually SUFC related!)

[Xàbia Shrimper]

Me too.

Time to lock it ...

[Winkle]

Everyone chill and put this regurgerated post to bed once and for all because (unless you have all forgot) we have been promoted!!!!!!!!