Matt The Shrimp wants a message board where evryone agrees Tilly is perfect!

[wiggy]

Little click of em' have decided to blank out my posts because i sometimes dare to question the tactics of Steve Tilson. How sad that certain saddo's can now only read things that they only want to read and believe in. A hardcore club of a few foreigners that only see a game once a year and a couple of blokes without partners, can now all agree that everything is rosy in the Roots Hall garden and back slap to there hearts content without ever seeing some slightly controversial members comments, am i bothered!

[shrimpereeee]

am i bothered!

quite obviously!

:D

[wiggy]

quite obviously!

:D

Certainly not, better off without the stuffed shirts!

[TJC]

ooo, can I join?
Got to say I'm still walking on air at the successes over the last couple of years, best manager in our history, best chairman in our history, stadium plans past the usual sticking point and looking like we may well get our new ground this time, and hopefully the best escape job know to football ;-D
No-one is perfect, but I doubt we will get closer than the current lot!
Cheer up!!

[RobM.]

Wiggy is Tilly!

[CC51DAS]

Wiggy - not sure what you're on gal , but if you're that bored , rather than posting meaningless threads and havin a go at MtS , may I politely suggest that you download the Sigur Ros album, Takk ,if you haven't already got it and play it really loud and dream of polar bears , cos they really are very cuddly and , hey , you never know maybe one day your dreams will come true .....

[Spaceman Spiff]

Quite why Kent Shrimper and TrueBlue decided to give wiggy positive reputation points for her drivel today is beyond me!

Fortunately, my reputation giving/taking power trumps theirs so I've been able to redress the balance

;)

[wiggy]

Wiggy - not sure what you're on gal , but if you're that bored , rather than posting meaningless threads and havin a go at MtS , may I politely suggest that you download the Sigur Ros album, Takk ,if you haven't already got it and play it really loud and dream of polar bears , cos they really are very cuddly and , hey , you never know maybe one day your dreams will come true .....

Not bored, just can't believe that MTS can't ignore something he doesn't agree with, he has to have it obliterated from his vision, hahahahahahaha!

[Ljubljana Branch]

This topic just goes to prove that women have no place in football.

[The Artful Shrimper]

This topic just goes to prove that women have no place in football.


:fury: But who will serve me my pukka pie ? !

[CC51DAS]

:fury: But who will serve me my pukka pie ? !

I think you're right - let Wiggy do that - she and Pukka pies have something in common

[callan]

Little click of em' have decided to blank out my posts because i sometimes dare to question the tactics of Steve Tilson. How sad that certain saddo's can now only read things that they only want to read and believe in. A hardcore club of a few foreigners that only see a game once a year and a couple of blokes without partners, can now all agree that everything is rosy in the Roots Hall garden and back slap to there hearts content without ever seeing some slightly controversial members comments, am i bothered!

Seeing as how Matt was at Spurs for the cup game, Sunderland at the weekend and Palace on tuesday, you need to work on your Maths.
I'm not going to blank out your posts, though I can see why others would choose to do so.

[MK Shrimper]

Tiresome. Tilson is without a doubt our best manager ever.

[Bielzibubz]

Wiggy, fek off and support another team will you! You are by far the most ignorant, self obsessed, attention seeking individual I have ever had the misfortune to come across. The club doesn't need a so called supporter as yourself.

As for your 'single' comment......married twice, now single by choice. Quite what that has to do with my views on all things Blues related I fail to see.

Now, once again...please pi$$ off to another club you sad, poor pathetic individual.

And Mods, no I won't apologise for my comments

[* ORM *]

I'll defend Wiggy's right to express an opinion or two. If everyone on here agreed with every opinion it would be as bad as moderators fixing their own reputation rankings. :p

[Bielzibubz]

ORM I totally agree, everyone is entitled to an opinion and I'll listen to that opinion and take it in if it's made with a modicum of reasoned thought and not just a belly full of bile.

To suggest that Tilly hasn't got the best interests of the club at heart is, IMO, quite offensive and ignorant, to say the least.

[Southendsleeper]

ORM I totally agree, everyone is entitled to an opinion and I'll listen to that opinion and take it in if it's made with a modicum of reasoned thought and not just a belly full of bile.

To suggest that Tilly hasn't got the best interests of the club at heart is, IMO, quite offensive and ignorant, to say the least.


Wiggy - controversy - 5 page threads at least

Gets the board busy, and I never take any notice anyway

Tilly is obviously Southend through and through

[fbm]

MtS is one of the main supporters of the freedom to express an opinion on this board.

But that doesn't mean he has to agree with it, or even respond to it.

We live in a country that has freedom of speech but what a lot of people don't fully accept is that our forefathers fought for this right so that we could freely express our opinions without fear of oppression.

It does not mean that we each have licence to spout drivel and abuse at all and sundry.

Wiggy has, in the past, made several good points even if they are put across in an aggressive manner. I am not going to respond to each and every one because it is tiresome and we've done it all to death before.

But there is one I do want to pick up on as it is the crux (for me at least) at what is the main bone of contention and the biggest problem I have with all this negativity.

This is the point about it all being the managements fault.

Spot on. Of course it is. They pick the team, they choose the tactics. It's also their "fault" that we got to 2 LDV finals, promoted via the play offs from league 2, became only the 2nd team in history to do two back to back promotions twice, won the highest trophy in our history (league 1 title), reached the quarter finals of one of the 2 major cup competitions for the only time in our history and are the only team in the world to have a positive record against Man Utd.

And all this has been achieved in under 3 seasons.

For that, I think that the management have built up a huge amount of credit so that when things did go a little awry (as they are now) then they should be worthy of enough respect from the fans so that the recent achievements are acknowledged and we are as supportive as we can possibly be in order to get us through this dodgy period.

They are, quite simply, the most successful management team in our history, having achieved more than everyone else put together.

For wiggy et al to be so disrespectful of those achievements by calling Tilson "clueless" I find highly offensive actually. And when you put it like that, it becomes quite obvious who the clueless ones are.

It does not mean that we consider everything to be rosy in the SUFC garden - but it does mean that most of us know which side our bread is buttered.

[MrB]

Yeah, wot he said......

[King of Berks]

the only team in the world to have a positive record against Man Utd.


Is this actually true? I'm wondering how many times Man U have played against teams such as Vasco da Gama, to whom they lost in the world club championship.

[fbm]

Is this actually true? I'm wondering how many times Man U have played against teams such as Vasco da Gama, to whom they lost in the world club championship.

It was a stat announced after we beat them. I haven't checked it personally but trusted the TV researchers to have got it right.

[Andy_Shrimp]

Wiggy

I have always read your posts with interest and at times you make good and valid points, at times you don't, but I make my own mind up on these.

I think the point is here that you frequent the board (especially this season) when things are not going "our" way. You will be the first to voice your opinion on everything that is wrong with the club, set up, management etc etc but it is rare that you come on board when we have put a run together or anything else positive.

As I said you do have some very valid points to raise and I am sure that you care for the club as much as the next fan, but what you fail to do is be positive when things are turning and only use the board to point out the faults. Of course its not perfect and we all wish things were different, signed someone else, not signed a particular player but hey every club can have that argument.

I am in no way attempting to jump on the MTS bandwagon here, but I am sure you will agree that he has supported your views in the past and has passed positive comments on certain posts you have made. I feel (and I am speaking from my opinion) that MTS became frustrated with your one sided attitude to post when results haven't gone our way. As for your comments about Steve Tilson wanting to take the club down or he accepting that fate already, thereby asserting that he does not have the interests of the club at heart are quite frankly wrong. I am not going to harp on about the past few seasons as this has been done to death but to question the mans loyalty to the club is outrageous.

We all want what is best for Southend and the journey is and wont be an easy one, but please accept that the team behind the team want just like us fans to be successful.

To have made mistakes is a way of learning as if you never made the mistake how would you ever know that it wouldn't have worked.

We are united in one cause on this board and that is our love of the team we call Southend United. Everyone is entitled to make their point but lets have some balance.

Regards

Andy

[choggy]

Little click of em' have decided to blank out my posts because i sometimes dare to question the tactics of Steve Tilson. How sad that certain saddo's can now only read things that they only want to read and believe in. A hardcore club of a few foreigners that only see a game once a year and a couple of blokes without partners, can now all agree that everything is rosy in the Roots Hall garden and back slap to there hearts content without ever seeing some slightly controversial members comments, am i bothered!


Wiggy, I've read this board quite a while before deciding to join (wasn't sure if I liked it or not).

The last time I saw you post anything on here was when we were in that godawful run and you seemed to revel in lamblasting the team's performance. Fair enough, we were playing like ****.

We then have a mini-revival, including a 3-1 away win at Birmingham (which has to rate as the result of the season), a 1-0 win away to Cardiff who also destroyed us at home and another decent win against Southampton who are also up there with the big clubs of this league. And where were you? Didn't see one post from you.

Now we lose two in a row, against a Sunderland team who on current form could beat anybody in this league and a poor result against Palance where they mugged us for the three points. And all of a sudden, you appear with your dire predictions and spouting off about everything that's wrong with the club.

If we play like ****, then by all means say so but when we play well and beat good teams then you need to give credit where it's due as a balanced view. If all you're going to do is crawl out of the woodwork when things are bad then you've only got yourself to blame when people tell you where to go

[canveyshrimper]

I think you're right - let Wiggy do that - she and Pukka pies have something in common

What, they are full of sh*t?

[Kent Shrimper]

Quite why Kent Shrimper and TrueBlue decided to give wiggy positive reputation points for her drivel today is beyond me!

Fortunately, my reputation giving/taking power trumps theirs so I've been able to redress the balance

;)

I would have thought that was actually private information on Wiggys account. Which no one has access to other than Moderators.

I do have a serious problem with such information being made public? Maybe you would care to explain or maybe another Moderator would like to explain? Dont bother PM'ing either as i would prefer the reason why private information is made public to be seen by everyone else!!!

And i actually like the fact that Wiggy mixes things up and doesnt always conform. I dont have to agree with her, However i appreciate a different view.

:mad:

[Dustybin]

Little click of em' have decided to blank out my posts because i sometimes dare to question the tactics of Steve Tilson. How sad that certain saddo's can now only read things that they only want to read and believe in. A hardcore club of a few foreigners that only see a game once a year and a couple of blokes without partners, can now all agree that everything is rosy in the Roots Hall garden and back slap to there hearts content without ever seeing some slightly controversial members comments, am i bothered!

Do you mean "clique"?? Also I'm sure there's meant to be a question mark at the end of your rant...I won't continue to patronise you too much by correcting all the other spelling and grammar mistakes you have but you really should have paid more attention at school dear...

It's not criticism that they mind it is groundless comments and mindless personal insults about Steve Tilson which they rightly object to.

[Pubey]

What, they are full of sh*t?

nah, they both belong in the kitchen!

[Cricko2]

I would have thought that was actually private information on Wiggys account. Which no one has access to other than Moderators.

I do have a serious problem with such information being made public? Maybe you would care to explain or maybe another Moderator would like to explain? Dont bother PM'ing either as i would prefer the reason why private information is made public to be seen by everyone else!!!

And i actually like the fact that Wiggy mixes things up and doesnt always conform. I dont have to agree with her, However i appreciate a different view.

:mad:

Er ??? Spiff IS a Moderator.

[Kent Shrimper]

Er ??? Spiff IS a Moderator.

And i would like to know WHY private information has been made public?

[sufcintheprem]

A couple of tips on wiggy's posts that i find works very well. Always skip the first wiggy post on a wiggy thread, it will be attention grabbing and overblown. Make sure you dodge the second too as this will be a further blown out response to someone criticising her. The third post will be the reasonable point and will often be quite interesting. Everything beyond that is likely to be confrontational and less interesting to read.

[Groyne Strain]

Quite why Kent Shrimper and TrueBlue decided to give wiggy positive reputation points for her drivel today is beyond me!

Fortunately, my reputation giving/taking power trumps theirs so I've been able to redress the balance

;)

I'm not sure why either, other than having an extremely dry sense of humour, or perhaps a bit of schadenfreude at seeing other posters get wound up - well, perhaps I am sure why, then but it is their perogative and, I'm led to believe, supposedly something that is given anonymously. Am I wrong on this?

I take my Joe Bugner comment back. Darryl informs me he actually said "Smokin' Joe Frazier".

[Xàbia Shrimper]

I'll defend Wiggy's right to express an opinion or two. If everyone on here agreed with every opinion it would be as bad as moderators fixing their own reputation rankings. :p

Yeah, that's something that's not quite right either. Or is Spiff making up for the fact that he has a small willy?

:cool:

[King of Berks]

Does it actually state anywhere that this information is given anonymously? I assumed that the person it was given to could see, and therefore there was nothing to stop others finding out.

[Slipperduke]

I will also defend Wiggy's right to holding her own opinion.

However, I'd also like to defend my right to call her a ****.

[Spaceman Spiff]

I'm not sure why either, other than having an extremely dry sense of humour, or perhaps a bit of schadenfreude at seeing other posters get wound up - well, perhaps I am sure why, then but it is their perogative and, I'm led to believe, supposedly something that is given anonymously. Am I wrong on this?

I take my Joe Bugner comment back. Darryl informs me he actually said "Smokin' Joe Frazier".

I dont know who told you reputation points are given anonymously? I dont remember saying that... If that was the case why would you have the option to 'add reputation comments'?

:minger: :D

[Spaceman Spiff]

Yeah, that's something that's not quite right either. Or is Spiff making up for the fact that he has a small willy?

:cool:

I have no willy at all Mike, actually :p :D

[Groyne Strain]

I dont know who told you reputation points are given anonymously? I dont remember saying that... If that was the case why would you have the option to 'add reputation comments'?

:minger: :D

I could answer that but I have a reputation to uphold.

Edit:

Out of purile interest, I done a google search for Wiggy on google images. I'm sure you'll all agree this is the exact image of her we all have in our mind's eye.















































































http://www.supyo.com/home/crazypics/images_20/wiggy.gif
Wiggy hears the news that Darryl's dropped at Matt's the new manager.

[Kent Shrimper]

I would have thought that was actually private information on Wiggys account. Which no one has access to other than Moderators.

I do have a serious problem with such information being made public? Maybe you would care to explain or maybe another Moderator would like to explain? Dont bother PM'ing either as i would prefer the reason why private information is made public to be seen by everyone else!!!

And i actually like the fact that Wiggy mixes things up and doesnt always conform. I dont have to agree with her, However i appreciate a different view.

:mad:

So the Moderators are ignoring my post for an explanation then?

The fact that you can add a comment to someones reputation doesnt indicate that it would be made public. This is highlighted by the fact that if you view a users profile the comments arent shown.

So on this basis does it mean that the comments are there for the Moderators to use as they please?

[Spaceman Spiff]

So the Moderators are ignoring my post for an explanation then?

The fact that you can add a comment to someones reputation doesnt indicate that it would be made public. This is highlighted by the fact that if you view a users profile the comments arent shown.

So on this basis does it mean that the comments are there for the Moderators to use as they please?

I hadnt actually seen your post - I know its hard to believe, but quite a few posts slip by on these boards without my having read them. So please refurnish your pram with its accompaniment of toys.

:thump:

Reputation points and comments are not anonymous - nor has it ever been said that they are. That is the answer - end of.

[Kent Shrimper]

I hadnt actually seen your post - I know its hard to believe, but quite a few posts slip by on these boards without my having read them. So please refurnish your pram with its accompaniment of toys.

:thump:

Reputation points and comments are not anonymous - nor has it ever been said that they are. That is the answer - end of.

No its not the end of......

So can you let me know how i see Reputation comments?

[Spaceman Spiff]

No its not the end of......

So can you let me know how i see Reputation comments?

If you click on 'User CP' on the light blue menu bar along the top you will be taken to your User Control Panel - and as if by magic...

[Kent Shrimper]

If you click on 'User CP' on the light blue menu bar along the top you will be taken to your User Control Panel - and as if by magic...

Which shows me mine to me!

I want to see Wiggys reputation comments like you have published?

[fbm]

I hadnt actually seen your post - I know its hard to believe, but quite a few posts slip by on these boards without my having read them. So please refurnish your pram with its accompaniment of toys.

:thump:

Reputation points and comments are not anonymous - nor has it ever been said that they are. That is the answer - end of.

What I think Kent Shrimper means is that if the reputations points are available for all to see then fair enough, but if only the moderators can see who gives what to who then it's probably only right that the information stays private.

And I must admit, when I read your original post it didn't sit comfortably with me either. If I had decided to award wiggy positive reputation points for one of her posts (are we absolutely sure it's female?) then I might not necessarily want the entire SZ community to be aware of that fact.

As I can only view who has given me positive reputation (thanks by the way but there aren't anywhere near enough of you!) then I would have assumed that the information does have a degree of privacy about it and I can see why Kent Shrimper has the hump.

[wiggy]

Yeah, that's something that's not quite right either. Or is Spiff making up for the fact that he has a small willy?

:cool:

Thought you were in the clique with MTS that couldn't see my posts having made them invisible to yourselves, yet your still getting involved in this ridiculous topic i see!

[Xàbia Shrimper]

Reputation points and comments are not anonymous - nor has it ever been said that they are. That is the answer - end of.

You've missed the point by a huge margin, Steve.

KS is miffed (quite rightly) that you have made public the fact that he has made a certain comment about a certain poster. Individuals can only see individual specific comments; moderators, it appears, can read all comments; these should remain anonymous and not banded about in the public domain.

[Spaceman Spiff]

Which shows me mine to me!

I want to see Wiggys reputation comments like you have published?

I'm afraid you cant - as the only way would be for you to see all comments used by everyone, which would make every profile massive.

Therefore the only two options open to you are to either become such a beacon on the boards that we invite you to become a mod, or you send me your bank details and we'll bill you £80 a month for another server to host all the massive profiles.

All the best!

[Xàbia Shrimper]

I'm afraid you cant - as the only way would be for you to see all comments used by everyone, which would make every profile massive.

Then DON'T make comments public then, Steve! You STILL miss the point, mate!!

[Spaceman Spiff]

You've missed the point by a huge margin, Steve.

KS is miffed (quite rightly) that you have made public the fact that he has made a certain comment about a certain poster. Individuals can only see individual specific comments; moderators, it appears, can read all comments; these should remain anonymous and not banded about in the public domain.

No they shouldnt. That is your opinion, not a fait accomplis.They are not private and it has never been said that they are. If you dont like that, dont use the feature - but the choice of this website is that they are not private.

[Xàbia Shrimper]

AAARGH!!! You miss the point! Again! AGAIN!

How do you know that Kent Shrimper and True Blue made positive comments about Wiggy?! Because you are a moderator. Therefore, you should take responsibility as such NOT to make public to EVERYONE ELSE that Kent Shrimper and True Blue made positive comments!! It's not fair and an abuse of moderator power.

I can't see who has made comments about YOU, can I?!

[wiggy]

I'm afraid you cant - as the only way would be for you to see all comments used by everyone, which would make every profile massive.

Therefore the only two options open to you are to either become such a beacon on the boards that we invite you to become a mod, or you send me your bank details and we'll bill you £80 a month for another server to host all the massive profiles.

All the best!

These reputation points, what are they because if i've got enough of them i'm after a new kettle!

[Andy_Shrimp]

Thought you were in the clique with MTS that couldn't see my posts having made them invisible to yourselves, yet your still getting involved in this ridiculous topic i see!

Ridiculous topic??? Don't be so harsh on yourself as you may end up starting another topic and having a go at yourself for not agreeing with you or criticising yourself!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[wiggy]

Ridiculous topic??? Don't be so harsh on yourself as you may end up starting another topic and having a go at yourself for not agreeing with you or criticising yourself!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It's only ridiculous because grown intelligent men can't just turn a blind eye, they have to engage a setting to do it for them, laughable!

[fbm]

they have to engage a setting to do it for them, laughable!

How do you engage a setting or am I missing something?

[Kent Shrimper]

I'm afraid you cant - as the only way would be for you to see all comments used by everyone, which would make every profile massive.

Therefore the only two options open to you are to either become such a beacon on the boards that we invite you to become a mod, or you send me your bank details and we'll bill you £80 a month for another server to host all the massive profiles.

All the best!

I really dont like or appreciate your tone. I have been posting on SZ for a fair while so please dont speak to me as if your doing me a favour!

So basically what you are saying to me is that they are PRIVATE. I.E. no one other than Moderators can see them?

In which case please explain to me why Moderators feel they can publish information that isnt seen by anyone else? Do you read peoples PM's as well?

[wiggy]

How do you engage a setting or am I missing something?

I presume, if you are ultra sensitive and feel on the verge of tears you engage the ignore setting and then you only have to read posts written by people that have only good things to say about SUFC.

[The Flying Scotsman]

Boo the Mods.

[Napster]

AAARGH!!! You miss the point! Again! AGAIN!

How do you know that Kent Shrimper and True Blue made positive comments about Wiggy?! Because you are a moderator. Therefore, you should take responsibility as such NOT to make public to EVERYONE ELSE that Kent Shrimper and True Blue made positive comments!! It's not fair and an abuse of moderator power.

I can't see who has made comments about YOU, can I?!

I would love to approve this post but I'm scared to in this new world order

:cry:

[Uncle Leo]

Boo the Mods.

I'm going to post a negative approval against you for saying that.

Unless you give me a positive approval. I'm so cheap.

[callan]

I think Kent shrimper has a valid point, the information should really have been kept off the board.

[sufcintheprem]

I think Kent shrimper has a valid point, the information should really have been kept off the board.

Me too. Me three.

(damn minimum thread requirement!)

[wiggy]

These reputation points, what are they because if i've got enough of them i'm after a new kettle!

Or a hoover?

[fbm]

I presume, if you are ultra sensitive and feel on the verge of tears you engage the ignore setting and then you only have to read posts written by people that have only good things to say about SUFC.

Oh, I see what you mean. I was missing something.

[Cricko2]

Wiggy gets more type space on here than anybody...I must be more Controversial in future .......Ok now ...All the Mods are girlies and South Bank Hank is a Sweet Thief.. That should do for now...


Sits back and awaits the flood!

[fbm]

I really dont like or appreciate your tone. I have been posting on SZ for a fair while so please dont speak to me as if your doing me a favour!

So basically what you are saying to me is that they are PRIVATE. I.E. no one other than Moderators can see them?

In which case please explain to me why Moderators feel they can publish information that isnt seen by anyone else? Do you read peoples PM's as well?


I must say I agree.

And as someone who not only has been posting for a while but also who part-sponsors the site I think that serious thought needs to be given to this issue and how perfectly valid queries concerning the use of what was thought to be (and actually should be) private information are dealt with.

[Cricko2]

Oh and my dad's bigger than yours... (Which isn't strictly true).. But hand bags at dawn should sort all this fuss out.;) :D

[canveyshrimper]

Or a hoover?


Or an iron. Since the wife died the sex has been the same but the bloody ironing is piling up.

[fbm]

Or an iron. Since the wife died the sex has been the same but the bloody ironing is piling up.

Post of the day!

:hilarious: :hilarious:

[Cricko2]

I must say I agree.

And as someone who not only has been posting for a while but also who part-sponsors the site I think that serious thought needs to be given to this issue and how perfectly valid queries concerning the use of what was thought to be (and actually should be) private information are dealt with.

Probally True FBM .I agree it was a silly error of judgement....One of which i doubt will ever acure again........Now back to the Football talk plzzzzzz.:confused:

[Southend_Lady]

This topic just goes to prove that women have no place in football.

Excuse me I am female and I dont agree with that comment. I certainaly dont agree with anything that wiggys says, but I wont have you say it is becuase she is female. I have a season ticket at southend as do my two other girl mates I also play football so I like to think my knowledge is quite sufficient and I think its fair that I should have a place in football! The three of us can hold a decent conversation about football and have many times had males tell us they are impressed with the way we can speak about football and are often impressed with the amount we know about the game.

Im not going to get too offended by the comment as I suspect it was a bit tongue in cheek and as an insult against wiggy! But I dont like people making comments like that about women at football. I am as good supporter as any other at southend and I always stay until the final whistle no matter what, unlike a lot of the male fans I see leaving before me! I dont think being female should deny anyone a place in the world of football especially when I am a true southend supporter.
Having different genitals does not differentiate between the abilty to understand and admire the game of football :D

I would also like to add that I think that Steve Tilson is a brilliant manager, he may not be the best but he has certainly bought memeries to the fans of southend united that will never be forgotten.

[Ricey]

As long as your not like that bloody women at the Luton game screaming in my ear in the seats behind me! COME ON BLUES GET IN THERE! I just wanted to clump her! Then its ok.

[Cricko2]

Excuse me I am female and I dont agree with that comment. I certainaly dont agree with anything that wiggys says, but I wont have you say it is becuase she is female. I have a season ticket at southend as do my two other girl mates I also play football so I like to think my knowledge is quite sufficient and I think its fair that I should have a place in football! The three of us can hold a decent conversation about football and have many times had males tell us they are impressed with the way we can speak about football and are often impressed with the amount we know about the game.

Im not going to get too offended by the comment as I suspect it was a bit tongue in cheek and as an insult against wiggy! But I dont like people making comments like that about women at football. I am as good supporter as any other at southend and I always stay until the final whistle no matter what, unlike a lot of the male fans I see leaving before me! I dont think being female should deny anyone a place in the world of football especially when I am a true southend supporter.
Having different genitals does not differentiate between the abilty to understand and admire the game of football :D

Well said Young Lady..

[fbm]

Having different genitals does not differentiate between the abilty to understand and admire the game of football :D

Men play with balls. Women can't.

Nuff said.


;)

Seriously, you're quite correct. I think the main criticism is that no matter how much good Tilly/Brush have done over the last 3 years, wiggy is jumping on their backs and being hugely over-critical without giving any credit for whats gone before.

Now that is a very female trait.

[RPG]

Everybody should have a right to air their opinion including Wiggy. Whilst I do not agree with most of what Wiggy says I find her posts interesting and amusing it often brings good debates to the mb.

It seems that everyone who has the audacity to criticise's the club / team or Lord Tilly gets "shot down" by other posters (or banned in CJS's case).

This has probably caused the posters who are interested in airing contentious views or wanting to have a debate to not post here.

This in my opinion has left the board becoming sadly increasingly boring.

I do not post here often but often read posts and believe that there unfortunately is a Shrimperzone clique. These posters seem only to be interested in positive threads and their own opinions.

Whilst I believe that Tilson has done an excellent job and are confident that we can stay in the Championship there is certain things that are wrong with the club. For example the fact that we have one of the smallest squads in the football leage.

Everyone should have a right to express their opinions, this surely is the point of having a message board.

UP THE BLUES!!

[Xàbia Shrimper]

Hello CS J

[Einstein]

Hello CS J

Not sure who you are referring to there, but if it is the post directly above yours then I can assure you it is not CS J!

[South Bank Hank]

Everybody should have a right to air their opinion including Wiggy. Whilst I do not agree with most of what Wiggy says I find her posts interesting and amusing it often brings good debates to the mb.

It seems that everyone who has the audacity to criticise's the club / team or Lord Tilly gets "shot down" by other posters (or banned in CJS's case).

This has probably caused the posters who are interested in airing contentious views or wanting to have a debate to not post here.

This in my opinion has left the board becoming sadly increasingly boring.

I do not post here often but often read posts and believe that there unfortunately is a Shrimperzone clique. These posters seem only to be interested in positive threads and their own opinions.

Whilst I believe that Tilson has done an excellent job and are confident that we can stay in the Championship there is certain things that are wrong with the club. For example the fact that we have one of the smallest squads in the football leage.

Everyone should have a right to express their opinions, this surely is the point of having a message board.

UP THE BLUES!!

It's a shame you don't post often because your arguments are interesting and well presented. That's not to say that I agree with them though. If you look for them, there will be a hundred different threads where contentious views have been well presented and well debated.

If you read this thread back (and the others relating to Wiggy), it's clear that the majority of those who have decided to "ignore" Wiggy have done so not because of her views but because of the ignorant way she presents her arguments as fact, and the abject failure to respond to debate when someone presents a differing view. That people are responding with irritation and anger is because they have simply got fed up with it. It's been said on here so many times: when you present an opinion, you MUST be prepared to have it questioned. For me, THAT is the very purpose of a message board like this. It breeds discussion.

I haven't opted to ignore Wiggy because I (sometimes) enjoy the debate her posts lead to. However, I don't enjoy Wiggy's debates themselves because I've rarely seen any.


Incidentally, it's just my opinion but from what I can tell, CSJ wasn't banned for criticising the club, team, or Lord Tilly but because he was a constantly provocative attention-seeker that was more interested in stirring up trouble than prompting interesting comment.

Reminds me of someone else.

[Uncle Leo]

Incidentally, it's just my opinion but from what I can tell, CSJ wasn't banned for criticising the club, team, or Lord Tilly but because he was a constantly provocative attention-seeker that was more interested in stirring up trouble than interesting comment..

Pretty much spot on there SBH.

[Kent Shrimper]

I really dont like or appreciate your tone. I have been posting on SZ for a fair while so please dont speak to me as if your doing me a favour!

So basically what you are saying to me is that they are PRIVATE. I.E. no one other than Moderators can see them?

In which case please explain to me why Moderators feel they can publish information that isnt seen by anyone else? Do you read peoples PM's as well?

I would really appreciate an explanation from a Moderator on this as i beleive it does question ALL of your integrity and i dont feel as if im alone in that opinion?

[McScriven]

This has nothing to do with me, but presumably you will reveal negative feedback as well as positive?

I'm sure that will make for a friendly board. Thought not!

[blueparrot]

South Bank Hank - 'Everybody has a right to express their opinions'.

Yes, but nobody has the right to express their opinion and expect it to go unchallenged. The pattern here is that Wiggy ONLY post negative comments, has very poor arguments to back them up and starts flaming anyone who disagrees with her.

Of course negative comments and views should be expressed on these boards and are no reason for censorship, just because they are negative or unpopular. I think it is other aspects of her posting technique that irritate so many!

It says something when those giving positive reputation points to a poster complain when when it becomes public!

[Kent Shrimper]

It says something when those giving positive reputation points to a poster complain when when it becomes public!


I think you will find blueparrot i couldnt care that they have been made public, as i have alreayd stated why i made them.

My concern is the manor in which they were made public by a trusted Moderator of this board, As these comments are not available to the rest of us to see.

[South Bank Hank]

South Bank Hank - 'Everybody has a right to express their opinions'.

Yes, but nobody has the right to express their opinion and expect it to go unchallenged. The pattern here is that Wiggy ONLY post negative comments, has very poor arguments to back them up and starts flaming anyone who disagrees with her.

Of course negative comments and views should be expressed on these boards and are no reason for censorship, just because they are negative or unpopular. I think it is other aspects of her posting technique that irritate so many!

It says something when those giving positive reputation points to a poster complain when when it becomes public!

I'm not sure what you've done there, but now you've even confused me about what I actually said and didn't say.

You seem to have quoted me as saying something I didn't say (even though I fundamentally agree with what was said). You've then argued exactly what I argued?

Methinks you may have meant to quote RPG, who I quoted saying what it was he wanted to say about Wiggy being quoted saying something about what she wanted to say?

:)

Know what I'm saying?

[blueparrot]

No, SBH, I did mean to disagree (mildly) with you!
I understood your post to be an argument against criticism aimed towards Wiggy. I argue in favour of criticism of Wiggy!

I thought, by the way, that I quoted exactly what you said!

Kent Shrimper - have your comments become public? I thought it was just the fact that positive reputation points were issued? I, personally, would have no problem with that. My previous post was not trying to express an opinion on the rights or wrongs of the moderator's actions - I just used your complaint to try to flippantly illustrate my point.

[Kent Shrimper]

Blue parrot

Does it really matter if my comments were published or the fact i made a positive reputation point?

Surely the point isnt what is or isnt said, it is the fact that information only available to moderators has been let out into the public domain. This information by default is private as its only available to the Moderators. If it was freely available then i wouldnt be taking issue.

Also i do take umbridge to the manner in which i was responded to and the fact that still no answer has been given to why information that is only available to Moderators can be used in debates on this board?

The silence is deafening!!!

[wiggy]

Please, what are positive reputation points, anyone?

[Jonny_Stokes]

Blue parrot

Does it really matter if my comments were published or the fact i made a positive reputation point?

Surely the point isnt what is or isnt said, it is the fact that information only available to moderators has been let out into the public domain. This information by default is private as its only available to the Moderators. If it was freely available then i wouldnt be taking issue.

Also i do take umbridge to the manor in which i was responded to and the fact that still no answer has been given to why information that is only available to Moderators can be used in debates on this board?

The silence is deafening!!!

1. FWIW I agree with you
2. "Manner"

J_S

[blueparrot]

KS
As I understand it, positive reputation feedback is available to both the moderator and the recipient of the points. If the recipient had posted 'Thanks KS for the reputation points', would you have been equally outraged by the breach of confidentiality?

If there is no documented statement of confidentiality for this information, I don't see why it should be assumed to be private. I would have thought that the reason for such information being generally unavailable is that it is not really very interesting, not that it is top secret.

There is clearly a difference between negative and positive feedback; if it had been negative then the information could have been the source of antagonism between posters.

[Jam_Man]

Please, what are positive reputation points, anyone?

Dont worry Wiggy, you wont get any so no need to worry yourself.

[Kent Shrimper]

KS
As I understand it, positive reputation feedback is available to both the moderator and the recipient of the points. If the recipient had posted 'Thanks KS for the reputation points', would you have been equally outraged by the breach of confidentiality?

If there is no documented statement of confidentiality for this information, I don't see why it should be assumed to be private. I would have thought that the reason for such information being generally unavailable is that it is not really very interesting, not that it is top secret.

There is clearly a difference between negative and positive feedback; if it had been negative then the information could have been the source of antagonism between posters.

I completley understand the point you are making BP, However my Positive points for Wiggy was used as a stick to beat both me and TB with by a Moderator of this site. Who IMO opinion have a responsability to everyone to Moderate, not use information which is only available to a few to as a means to attack another poster.

If Wiggy had said "Thank you for the positive Feedback" then that would have been Wiggys perogative, as it appears within his account on here and i would be neither Happy or Sad. If this information isnt of interest then why would a moderator use it within his/her post?

[MrB]

Definitely needs some comment from someone, even if it's just an acknowledgement from Spiff that he shouldn't be discussing things only mods have access to (whether they intend for it to be private or not) on a public board.

[Einstein]

If it was freely available then i wouldnt be taking issue.

The silence is deafening!!!

I post this just as another regular SZ User, not a Mod. I cannot speak on behalf of Spiff, and he is the one that needs to reply to you directly.

(Also note before you try and get a response out of me that I am not an owner, and therefore do not decide rules and regulations on SZ, I am purely here just to try and keep the forums clean etc.)

However, I am going to defend Spiff here as I do not particularly see him as doing anything wrong. No doubt take abuse for it with clique comments etc etc when for the record I don't even know Spiff other than on here too!!

First, he is entitled to a life you know! Abusing him, saying silence is deafening, is just pathetic. His last post he made on SZ was in THIS thread at 11.30am this morning - it's not like he is posting on every other thread except for this one or you might have a valid point! Heaven forbid, maybe he may actually have a job, and be at work and cannot reply 24/7?!!

This website is only a hobby to the owners you know!

As for the actual issue though, talk about making a mountain out of a molehill. Spiff has not even stated what was said either!! If he started abusing his powers by quoting your personal details and your real name then you might have a point. However, all he said was you made a positive comment about wiggy. I've got a negative reputation comment from Statski, I have no problems if someone wants to know it...!! I see this as way OTT, it is a messageboard where nothing is 'personal' - everyone is even hidden behind a username! Way way over the top IMO.

As for it being freely available, then I would presume that at the flick of a switch he could easily make everyones comments visible and then you'd have people moaning that it was visible then! It's like SZFC have turned into SUFC, they can do no right!

It's really not worth the hassle of him replying as anything he says will get shot down.

(Just to let you know too, please do not expect an instant reply from me as I am off home soon and then out for a few beers. Hope that's ok ;))

[Spaceman Spiff]

Ok, I hope this clarifies things:

1) Reputation comments are not intended to be 'private'. That is what 'private messages' are for. Not even mods can read those unless we've been sent them directly.

2) Nowhere, at any time, has it been stated that reputation comments are private.

3) I cannot turn on a feature to show all comments by everyone to everyone as no such feature is available - if we all had to read every single comment made by everyone it would be a very long list indeed.

4) Therefore for the avoidance of doubt please assume that anything not sent in the 'private' facility on this board is not, in fact, private. This includes reputation. If this is not acceptable, please dont use the feature. If everyone still feels that that is not acceptable, I'll turn the facility off.

Finally as mentioned before we do have jobs and lives, so we dont see every post straight away. Therefore the same old tired 'clique' and 'silence is deafening' comments are trotted out. Whereas the truth of the matter is I've been offline doing something else.

The expectation that we are on hand 24/7 is, i'm afraid, wide of the mark.

When the levels of indignation shown on this thread come about it does get slightly tiresome - perhaps you might not be aware but I have upwards of 100 account enquiries to deal with every week (only me, as I get the admin emails) and that takes a considerable number of hours of my spare time - much more than I actually spend on the site itself. These are things such as password resets, account lockouts, changes to settings and personal features or just general enquiries about public features.

A little bit of patience would be much appreciated, rather than the extremely tiring indignation.

[South Bank Hank]

No, SBH, I did mean to disagree (mildly) with you!
I understood your post to be an argument against criticism aimed towards Wiggy. I argue in favour of criticism of Wiggy!

I thought, by the way, that I quoted exactly what you said!

Sorry but no you didn't. Not that it's a problem but with things as they are these days, I'd rather be clear.

I was also arguing in favour of criticism of Wiggy - even if that does seem so harsh in black and white like that. The first 7 1/2 paragraphs of the post in question were quoting RPG. A simple scroll back up the page will show you.

I respected his right to present his argument, and then disagreed with it.

But anyway...

[Spaceman Spiff]

Great minds think alike Einstein I was typing something similar

:D

[Kent Shrimper]

I post this just as another regular SZ User, not a Mod. I cannot speak on behalf of Spiff, and he is the one that needs to reply to you directly.

(Also note before you try and get a response out of me that I am not an owner, and therefore do not decide rules and regulations on SZ, I am purely here just to try and keep the forums clean etc.)

However, I am going to defend Spiff here as I do not particularly see him as doing anything wrong. No doubt take abuse for it with clique comments etc etc when for the record I don't even know Spiff other than on here too!!

First, he is entitled to a life you know! Abusing him, saying silence is deafening, is just pathetic. His last post he made on SZ was in THIS thread at 11.30am this morning - it's not like he is posting on every other thread except for this one or you might have a valid point! Heaven forbid, maybe he may actually have a job, and be at work and cannot reply 24/7?!!

This website is only a hobby to the owners you know!

As for the actual issue though, talk about making a mountain out of a molehill. Spiff has not even stated what was said either!! If he started abusing his powers by quoting your personal details and your real name then you might have a point. However, all he said was you made a positive comment about wiggy. I've got a negative reputation comment from Statski, I have no problems if someone wants to know it...!! I see this as way OTT, it is a messageboard where nothing is 'personal' - everyone is even hidden behind a username! Way way over the top IMO.

As for it being freely available, then I would presume that at the flick of a switch he could easily make everyones comments visible and then you'd have people moaning that it was visible then! It's like SZFC have turned into SUFC, they can do no right!

It's really not worth the hassle of him replying as anything he says will get shot down.

(Just to let you know too, please do not expect an instant reply from me as I am off home soon and then out for a few beers. Hope that's ok ;))

Einstein i have never ever had a pop at anybody from Shrimperzone as i appreciate the work that goes into it. I always chip in to Sponsorships and try to be as actively part of the community as most people.

My problem is still the fact that he finds it quite ok to run a mock as he is the OWNER. Now im sure you will have seen that many others dont feel as if i have been over the top. All i have done is respond to people with the reasoning behind my displeasure.

He hasnt posted since 11.30am correct but still found time to give me some reputation points this afternoon. So i beleive he is a little more active than you try and make him out to be.

The fact that he decided from my first post that i was "throwing my toys out of my pram" annoyed me, as surely as an owner/moderator he has a responsability to at least acknowledge and take on board my points, rather than just rubbishing them.

I now truely understand how people feel when they question Shrimperzone and get shot down by the management.

[Jam_Man]

Isnt this giving reputation malarky only encouraging people to slag each other off though ?

[blueparrot]

Sorry but no you didn't. Not that it's a problem but with things as they are these days, I'd rather be clear.

I was also arguing in favour of criticism of Wiggy - even if that does seem so harsh in black and white like that. The first 7 1/2 paragraphs of the post in question were quoting RPG. A simple scroll back up the page will show you.

I respected his right to present his argument, and then disagreed with it.

But anyway...

Sorry South Bank, I should pay more attention!

[Kent Shrimper]

Isnt this giving reputation malarky only encouraging people to slag each other off though ?

Well ive dramtically gone from +4 to -285 after questioning the management. So it does its job Jam Man. Well from the managements point of view it does.

[Kent Shrimper]

Great minds think alike Einstein I was typing something similar

:D

So just out of interest Spiff, you feel as if you have done nothing wrong at all?

[The Flying Scotsman]

I now truely understand how people feel when they question Shrimperzone and get shot down by the management.

Shhh! You might be banned!

[Spaceman Spiff]

My problem is still the fact that he finds it quite ok to run a mock as he is the OWNER.


I think 'running amok' is slightly over-egging the pudding. I was aggrieved that you inferred that I should have replied immediately to your post, as though I should be on hand night and day... so perhaps I was slightly sharp in my response, for which I should learn to let the dust settle before replying and I apologise. However I very much doubt that you feel you have posted anything untoward, yet I might disagree.


He hasnt posted since 11.30am correct but still found time to give me some reputation points this afternoon. So i beleive he is a little more active than you try and make him out to be.


I did that only minutes before typing the reply above.


The fact that he decided from my first post that i was "throwing my toys out of my pram" annoyed me, as surely as an owner/moderator he has a responsability to at least acknowledge and take on board my points, rather than just rubbishing them.

That referred to your assumption that I should be at your beck and call to reply instantly - and the fact that I hadnt was due to a clique or some other nonsense, rather than that I was in fact elsewhere and not online.

[South Bank Hank]

Sorry South Bank, I should pay more attention!

Honestly blueparrot, not a problem.

[Dustybin]

This thread is becoming irratable for 2 reasons,
1) who cares? it's a sufc fanzone site not MI5...
2) it's keeping a stupid thread from Wiggy at the top of the chat site...

I'm fully aware that by posting I'm fueling reason 2...:rolleyes:

[The Flying Scotsman]

This thread is becoming irratable for 2 reasons,
1) who cares? it's a sufc fanzone site not MI5...
2) it's keeping a stupid thread from Wiggy at the top of the chat site...

I'm fully aware that by posting I'm fueling reason 2...:rolleyes:

You couldn't just leave it!! :p

[Kent Shrimper]

I think 'running amok' is slightly over-egging the pudding. I was aggrieved that you inferred that I should have replied immediately to your post, as though I should be on hand night and day... so perhaps I was slightly sharp in my response, for which I should learn to let the dust settle before replying and I apologise. However I very much doubt that you feel you have posted anything untoward, yet I might disagree.



I did that only minutes before typing the reply above.



That referred to your assumption that I should be at your beck and call to reply instantly - and the fact that I hadnt was due to a clique or some other nonsense, rather than that I was in fact elsewhere and not online.

1. I explained my problem in my origional post at 9.21am. You decided to speak to me like a naughty child at 10.50am telling me that the information you decided to use was public domain when quite clearly it isnt

2. -285 why didnt you go the whole hog and ban me?

3. I have never mentioned a clique, However its great that its now used as an argument for questioning the managment?

Just what am i supposed to have done to warrant me apologising? Ask for an explanation, defend my views, show clear reason why i was unhappy?

[Blues Trader]

No doubt Space Man will lock this topic soon. He loves the sense of power, and always get the last word in. I do think Tilly is doing a good job, but sometimes after his post-match interviews I wonder if he really knows what he's talking about.

[Xàbia Shrimper]

My opinions:

1) Steve, you do indeed do a lot of hard work on ShrimperZone - as Scriv and I did when we ran the site - all voluntary and we all appreciate it. But sometimes it does seem that 'power' goes to your head a little bit (ranging from unnecessary censorship, unnecessary closure of threads (a huge bug-bear) and now perceived revelation of private information) and I have mentioned this a number of times to the SZ management committee. An issue such as this simply highlights this: Kent Shrimper was well within his rights to ask how and why you would reveal that he gave a positive comment to a particular poster; he might have been a bit more patient (which I think he acknowledges) but he's got a right nevertheless to a satisfactory explanation. You say that no-one, not even moderators, can see individual reputation marks - but somehow you have, hence the comment about KS and True Blue? I'm confused; or was it just a flippant remark that's got out of hand.

2) This 'reputation' facility is something that I personally think is pointing towards the road to ruin for ShrimperZone as it's open to abuse from all and sundry. Kent Shrimper's sudden demise to a huge negative reputation is one clear example; a better example is Spaceman Spiff's ridiculous positive reputation which he obviously deemed fit to award himself as part of the administration of the forum. It's simply another clear abuse of power. I'm all for getting rid of this facility altogether; it serves no real purpose and will be death of the forum.

3) Does this whole episode not send a clear message to the SZ committee that we STILL need a clearly-defined set of rules and regulations posted as a sticky to the top of each forum; they should be sent to all new registrations - and current registrations as well. Anyone who doesn't abide by them will have NO excuse if they are banned or suspended due to contravention of those rules. It's simple.

** cue topic locked by Spaceman Spiff **

[Spaceman Spiff]

My opinions:

You say that no-one, not even moderators, can see individual reputation marks - but somehow you have, hence the comment about KS and True Blue? I'm confused; or was it just a flippant remark that's got out of hand.


Mike, I think either I mistyped or you misread my post? Or maybe I've just misunderstood what you've said above, but individuals can see reputations left for them by looking at their control panels - both positive and negative.


My opinions:

2) This 'reputation' facility is something that I personally think is pointing towards the road to ruin for ShrimperZone as it's open to abuse from all and sundry. Kent Shrimper's sudden demise to a huge negative reputation is one clear example; a better example is Spaceman Spiff's ridiculous positive reputation which he obviously deemed fit to award himself as part of the administration of the forum. It's simply another clear abuse of power. I'm all for getting rid of this facility altogether; it serves no real purpose and will be death of the forum.


Actually yes, hands up to that one I did. At the time it was all part of testing the system and seeing how things worked - I could have then gone in and deleted it but havent yet, so please feel free to give me some stick! If it would please everyone I can certainly remove it - although as it happens, god knows how but I have actually received quite a bit of positive comment!

I think the 'abuse of power' comment is a touch strong. This is not Downing Street, its ShrimperZone.


My opinions:

3) Does this whole episode not send a clear message to the SZ committee that we STILL need a clearly-defined set of rules and regulations posted as a sticky to the top of each forum; they should be sent to all new registrations - and current registrations as well. Anyone who doesn't abide by them will have NO excuse if they are banned or suspended due to contravention of those rules. It's simple.

** cue topic locked by Spaceman Spiff **

I havent locked many topics, ever, as it happens! As and when I have it has been a judgement call that is of course open to interpretation and agreement/disagreement by others. I'm certainly not about to lock this one.

[Spaceman Spiff]

I have updated my reputation to reflect the balance of comments received. Cue my reputation carnage as I plunge into the red! lol

[Cricko2]

I have updated my reputation to reflect the balance of comments received. Cue my reputation carnage as I plunge into the red! lol

Eni meany miney mo!;)

[Xàbia Shrimper]

Mike, I think either I mistyped or you misread my post? Or maybe I've just misunderstood what you've said above, but individuals can see reputations left for them by looking at their control panels - both positive and negative.

Earlier in this thread, you said: "Quite why Kent Shrimper and TrueBlue decided to give wiggy positive reputation points for her drivel today is beyond me!" How did you know that they did? I only ask because you claim that only the recipients of the reputation points can see them. How did you know that these people sent such reputations to wiggy and wiggy alone?


Actually yes, hands up to that one I did. At the time it was all part of testing the system and seeing how things worked - I could have then gone in and deleted it but havent yet, so please feel free to give me some stick! If it would please everyone I can certainly remove it - although as it happens, god knows how but I have actually received quite a bit of positive comment!

My opinion is that it adds nothing to the forum; in fact, I think it will ruin it. But that's just me. Maybe a poll?


I think the 'abuse of power' comment is a touch strong. This is not Downing Street, its ShrimperZone.

Maybe. But I stand by the comment! ;)


I havent locked many topics, ever, as it happens! As and when I have it has been a judgement call that is of course open to interpretation and agreement/disagreement by others. I'm certainly not about to lock this one.

*COUGH!* Your memory fails you, sir!

[Einstein]

Earlier in this thread, you said: "Quite why Kent Shrimper and TrueBlue decided to give wiggy positive reputation points for her drivel today is beyond me!" How did you know that they did? I only ask because you claim that only the recipients of the reputation points can see them. How did you know that these people sent such reputations to wiggy and wiggy alone?

Mike,

I believe you mis-read Spiff's post...


1) Reputation comments are not intended to be 'private'. That is what 'private messages' are for. Not even mods can read those unless we've been sent them directly.

I.e. PM's...

Mod Update - Walking out the door now to have a few beers so won't be able to respond... :D

Einstein :)

[Spaceman Spiff]

Mods can see all user reputation comments by running a search Mike, I thought I'd mentioned that already.

I'm not going to turn off reputations for now. Most people seem to have enjoyed the function and used it in the spirit with which it is intended - really, you would think we are all big enough and ugly enough to be able to use it without it getting to the point where it is the 'death of the zone'. That seems rather far fetched, but then that is just my opinon.

Now that the relative privacy has been clarified people can choose to continue using it or not, on an individual basis, as is their right.

[Xàbia Shrimper]

Mods can see all user reputation comments by running a search Mike, I thought I'd mentioned that already.

Not that I saw.

Huzzah! Now, do you think mods should really be revealing who made what reputation vote to the masses, especially when we all thought they might be 'private' in that only those who sent or received the vote would know about it?

[Xàbia Shrimper]

I believe you mis-read Spiff's post...

Well, maybe so. But I still think that this reputation voting system should be as 'private' as it can be, i.e. not revealing who voted for who, etc.

[Bielzibubz]

Seeing as my reputation count currently stands at a measly one (and I won't say who gave that ;)) could I ask a favour?

In order to have a clear point of view on this little hot potato I really do feel that I need some more, good or bad, and as such I would ask all Zoners to please give freely :)

I thank you all in anticipation.:o

[Essex_nik]

This topic just goes to prove that women have no place in football.

bit harsh!! we're not all like wiggy!!

[Kent Shrimper]

Not that I saw.

Huzzah! Now, do you think mods should really be revealing who made what reputation vote to the masses, especially when we all thought they might be 'private' in that only those who sent or received the vote would know about it?

ive been asking the same question all day?

[The Late One]

Or an iron. Since the wife died the sex has been the same but the bloody ironing is piling up.


At least the sex now is with someone you love:hilarious:

[callan]

ive been asking the same question all day?

I would like to see an answer to this as well.

[King of Berks]

Good grief!

Can't we just let this lie? It's the day before a match, and pretty much all that's going on is bickering!


Now, do you think mods should really be revealing who made what reputation vote to the masses, especially when we all thought they might be 'private' in that only those who sent or received the vote would know about it?

You all say you're awaiting an answer to this question? Then answer it! The question is actually do you think, so therefore you shouldn't need help answering it (with the exception of Mr Stokes, and certain Col ewe fans on this site!)

Whether we agree or not with what the Moderators/Admin/owners have said or done I feel we should now just accept it. At the end of the day this board is a free service for us members, paid for by a small group with help from sponsorship. If we don't like the way they do something then yes, we have every right to complain, but likewise they have every right to ignore said complaints. If we then still cannot tolerate the way the site is being managed then it's simple, we have every right to leave. For what it's worth I don't always agree with the way things are done on here, but I counter that with the informative nature of this forum, and therefore put up 'n' shut up.

As for the particular issue that Kent shrimper has with Spaceman spiff, may I humbley that this could best be resolved via either PM or Email between Kent shrimper, and a member of the admin team (possibly not Spaceman Spiff, as both will by human nature have encamped into their respective positions) Maybe then we can get on with the serious matter in hand.....







.....Should Bart come out of retirement to replace Darryl? :angel:

[Bielzibubz]

Personally I couldn't care less who knows who's given me reputation points, either good or bad. Why would I?
I don't have a problem with mods having access to information as to who's given what, or what they've said.
I wouldn't have a problem if it became known that A gave a - and B gave a +.

Strikes me as a something out of nothing thread. But that's just an opinion.

I would however have a problem if what was actually said be made known to all and sundry.:)



edit:
ps If you don't ask you don't get, those that don't ask don't want ;)

[Cricko2]

AaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaRghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh! can we all move on now.

[Cricko2]

This Post in NO LONGER about the team and should be moved to another board if the "girlies" wish to continue this futile debate.

[Jay_Shrimper]

How do I check my reputation? :angel:

[* ORM *]

How do I check my reputation? :angel:

With your repution I wouldn't bother :thump: :p

[Jay_Shrimper]

Why, whats my reputation like?

[Bielzibubz]

How do I check my reputation? :angel:


With your repution I wouldn't bother :thump: :p


Why, whats my reputation like?

:hilarious: oh the irony of it all...

[The Flying Scotsman]

Is this still near the top!!

[turkishm]

i think southend are going to be winning more games than losing. so we wont be hearing much from you wiggy,which is a shame really because its not boring. i think your sitting at home having a bit of a laugh about all this.

[Uncle Leo]

I think this thread has run its course - certainly in terms of the 'Shrimpers Chit Chat' section anyway.

I won't close, but I am moving it to the 'Feedback' forum.

[Jonny_Stokes]

Fascist! ;)

[Matt the Shrimp]

am i bothered!
Clearly!

:hilarious:

Apologies for the lack of response. I was away on client business during the latter half of last week, and I have generally been busy at home and at work.

FWIW, wiggy, I haven't turned your threads off. I can still see them. I've just stopped caring about what you have to say. Why should I bother listening to what you have to say when you never listen to what I have to say? A conversation has to be a two-way street, and since time after time you've demonstrated that you have no interest in what I say then the feeling has unfortunately now become mutual - something which, to my eyes, has been all your own doing.

* * *

As for the Spiff / Kent Shrimper debate, this has been unfortunate. First and foremost, none of the site's owners wish to cause any of our members any unnecessary upset, and if we have, then I should like to apologise on our collective behalf.

The argument appears to have centred on whether or not "reputation points" were ever intended to have been confidential. KS thinks they were and that by revealing that fact his confidentiality was breached; Spiff maintained the view that it was never intended that these points should be confidential

Ultimately, it is an argument which has arisen out of a lack of clarity as to the nature of a particular item of the board's new functionality. Perhaps the thing that we owners are most guilty of is a failure to clarify the basis of use of the board - to set out the basic groundrules, as Mike has pointed out - and it is for that failure which first and foremost we must apologise.

Our defence is perhaps the not particularly satisfactory - but sadly inevitable - truth that we all have day-jobs, and we simply haven't been able to find the time to come up with those rules. We will try to do so, sooner rather than later, we hope - but we cannot give a deadline.

On a personal level, I have some misgivings about whether or not the reputation thing is a good idea - and that is something which the Owners will discuss when we next meet.

Finally, it should be remembered that all Mods are human, and that means we are all fallible and sometimes respond to posts wearing our "human", rather than our "Mod" hats. For instance, as has been quite properly pointed out to me, I was abusive to a fellow poster (wiggy) on Tuesday night - and that was wrong of me. I will try to avoid repeating this in future, and I have given myself a stern talking to - but I can't be expected to be 100% perfect all the time. That is a statement which applies to all Mods... sometimes we get things wrong, and sometimes we need to be cut a little slack.

Hope that clarifies our position - and once again, we apologise for the breakdown in communication, which seems to have been at the root of this problem. We'll investiagte the wider issue of reputation points when we next meet, and let you know our collective thoughts on it.

Many thanks,

Matt

[Yorkshire Blue]

I'm in favour of the reputation points, and I say that as someone with one of the highest negative points tallies on the board.

Whilst I disputed whether the negative points were warranted, I never had a problem with someone being able to give me negative points.

[Matt the Shrimp]

I'm in favour of the reputation points
Well, I did say I was in favour of getting rid of them... if anything, that deepens my convinction...

:finger:

[Kent Shrimper]

I'm in favour of the reputation points, and I say that as someone with one of the highest negative points tallies on the board.

Whilst I disputed whether the negative points were warranted, I never had a problem with someone being able to give me negative points.

I dont think its about the points, as i do think its a self policing method which over time could work.

However as already stated either everyone see's the comments or as it is now no one see's them (Other than the Mods). If its the latter then those comments shouldnt be made public.

[The Flying Scotsman]

I'm more disappointed with the amount of positive feedback being dished out!!

[Maldon Blues]

So, how do I find out if I have any 'feedback'?!

[Xàbia Shrimper]

Go to USERCP at the top.

[Pubey]

i think this rep thing is really starting to work

[mattytheshrimper]

i think this rep thing is really starting to work

speak for yourself!

[Uncle Leo]

speak for yourself!

What HAVE you done wrong Matty? :D :confused:

[mattytheshrimper]

What HAVE you done wrong Matty? :D :confused:

god knows. all the negative rep i've received are stupid things. i come to accept i will never be out of the red. lol.