England squad for 1st Test

[Ailsa Road Shrimper]

England squad: Andrew Strauss (captain), Alastair Cook, Ian Bell, Kevin Pietersen, Paul Collingwood, Andrew Flintoff, Matt Prior, Liam Plunkett, Steve Harmison, Matthew Hoggard, Monty Panesar, Owais Shah.

Prior gets the nod as wicketkeeper. Not sure if Moores is being biased towards Prior having worked with him at Sussex, my feeling on Prior's career so far is that he isn't a great batsman and isn't a great wicketkeeper. I'd have opted for Nixon, his performances in the World Cup were one of the few positives, he also brings extra qualities with his enthusiasm and attitude. Although Nixon may be too old to play in the Ashes in 2009, he deserves a place on merit.

It's a good time to be making a debut though as a home series against the West Indies isn't exactly a baptism of fire. I must say I've never felt so un-excited about a home series against the West Indies. I can recall summers in 1991 and 1995 where I was glued to the TV screen watching the likes of Richards and Lara bat, then watch our batsmen toil against classic fast bowling from Ambrose and Walsh.

I feel the World Cup was make or break for West Indies cricket - a successful tournament could've re-ignited the dying passion for the game in the Caribbean and given the current team the much needed confidence that winning momentum brings. However with the disappointing campaign from their team, a poor tournament they hosted and the retirement of their only world class player I think the West Indies are about the same standard as Bangladesh now.

I actually hope it's a close series, I'd like to see West Indies surprise people in the new Lara-less era and at least show more discipline, making England work for their runs and wickets. A white wash for England would probably be a false dawn as there are much sterner tests in world cricket to come, plus world cricket needs a competitive West Indian team,

[Bluesmanager]

Ever since Sky stole the live rights from C4, I've just been completely meh about test cricket. Especially since five's got the highlight rights.

[Pubey]

prior over nixon is quite strange... as you said nixon was one of a few positives. it's a shame that graveney doesn't want to pick tresco either, although perhaps this series is a bit too soon

[canveyshrimper]

Ever since Sky stole the live rights from C4, I've just been completely meh about test cricket. Especially since five's got the highlight rights.

Stole the rights??

Didn't they pay for them in an open bidding process?

I don't like the premise of Sky (although I subscribe) but that sort of statement is nonsense.

[Bluesmanager]

May as well have stolen it from those who don't have sky.

[number11]

The Vaughan injury for this test certainly saved selectors a tough decision and, meaning their only major decisions were the wicket keeper and last bowling slot.

Who Vaughan will be included at the expense of for the 2nd test will be interesting. The names said to be considered are Strauss Cook Bell Collingwood. For me, Collingwood is most expendable, unless his bowling is used more in tests. However given his last year or so it would be harsh to drop him. The only Batsman who has consistently failed is Freddie, and therefore I would consider dropping him down to 7, and having a top order of Strauss Cook Vaughan Pieterson Collingwood Bell. With Fred at 6 we look vulnerable as soon as we are 4 wickets down, and with our 7 and 8 not being proven, and the rest competing for no.11 slot, that gives us a long tail.

This would also releive some pressure on the requirement of the keeper making runs at 8. 3 seamers (fred, Homesick and Hoggard,) Panesar bowling spin, and Pieterson and Collingwood filling in should be enough to keep the bowlers fresh).

What side would you go for?

[canveyshrimper]

The Vaughan injury for this test certainly saved selectors a tough decision and, meaning their only major decisions were the wicket keeper and last bowling slot.

Who Vaughan will be included at the expense of for the 2nd test will be interesting. The names said to be considered are Strauss Cook Bell Collingwood. For me, Collingwood is most expendable, unless his bowling is used more in tests. However given his last year or so it would be harsh to drop him. The only Batsman who has consistently failed is Freddie, and therefore I would consider dropping him down to 7, and having a top order of Strauss Cook Vaughan Pieterson Collingwood Bell. With Fred at 6 we look vulnerable as soon as we are 4 wickets down, and with our 7 and 8 not being proven, and the rest competing for no.11 slot, that gives us a long tail.

This would also releive some pressure on the requirement of the keeper making runs at 8. 3 seamers (fred, Homesick and Hoggard,) Panesar bowling spin, and Pieterson and Collingwood filling in should be enough to keep the bowlers fresh).

What side would you go for?

One with a wicket keeper.:p

IMO Vaughan must play in the test side if fit, it will be hard on Collingwood, but he would be the one I would chop. Although Strauss had a poor Ashes tour, but his test match record other than that is excellent. Cook, Bell & Pieterson are young and the nucleus of the batting for a few years to come, and Cook will almost certainly captain England at some point.

I have reservations about Matt Prior as I think he is the coaches pick, but good luck to him. Subject to Flintoff being fit, then Shah will drop out of the squad for Lords, although according to the papers this morning Ravi Bopara may be called up as a batting all rounder in place of Flintoff.

[number11]

[QUOTE=canveyshrimper;421061]One with a wicket keeper.:p

As above, keeper (any one of 8 candidates) to bat at 8, where it will be his keeping not his runs under scrutiny, and any runs he does get will be a bonus. Fred (batting 7, Harmison and Hoggard (batting anywhere in bottom 3) making up the seamers, with Panesar (batting in bottom 3) the spinner.

[canveyshrimper]

[QUOTE=canveyshrimper;421061]One with a wicket keeper.:p

As above, keeper (any one of 8 candidates) to bat at 8, where it will be his keeping not his runs under scrutiny, and any runs he does get will be a bonus. Fred (batting 7, Harmison and Hoggard (batting anywhere in bottom 3) making up the seamers, with Panesar (batting in bottom 3) the spinner.

A good batsman/keeper can also double as an all rounder, like Alec Stewart did for so long. I think that we should go into a test with 5 main bowlers, which means Flintoff is pivotal as the all rounder, but as you rightly point out weakens the batting. Hence the selection of Prior who will probably bat 6. I'm not really keen on "fill in" bowlers as they can offer disappear for loads. But having another bowler to fall back on often helps a team as they can have the old golden arm.

[Shrimper2thecore]

Ever since Sky stole the live rights from C4, I've just been completely meh about test cricket. Especially since five's got the highlight rights.

Spot on, although while I have exams its not such a bad thing...

[Matt the Shrimp]

I noted that in Gus Fraser's choice for the England XI in the Torygraph, he picked Fozzie as his keeper. Perhaps James's time will come, eventually!

I also think Nixon is unlucky to lose out after a good winter, but I've always thought Prior was quite competent, so let's see how he gets on.

Presuming Fred is unfit, we'll line up like this today:

Strauss
Cook
Bell
KP
Collingwood
Shah
Prior
Plunkett
Hoggard
Harmison
Anderson

The interesting conunudrum will be who to drop once Vaughan is fit. I think it's a very difficult one - Bell, Cook and Collingwood all had decent winters, but one of them would have to go. I think Colly would give way, although personally I think that would be a mistake; I think the person you would miss least out of those three would (sorry, Ian) be Bell. So the ideal XI:

Strauss
Cook
Vaughan [c]
KP
Collingwood
Fred
Prior
Plunkett (note 1)
Hoggard
Harmison
Panesar / Anderson (note 2) depending on the surface

Notes
1. I remain to be convinced by Liam. I believe that Mahmood - once he has learnt a bit more discipline & control - is the better long-term bet. Oh, if only the rumours of Allan Donald doing some coaching with some of the England players were true.

2. Stuart Broad may well be the long term solution - although this may be a summer too soon?

Matt

[Yorkshire Blue]

Word is Anderson has been released to play for Lancs, and Shah is set to play ahead of Flintoff.

Not sure of the wisdom of only playing 3 seamers in overcast conditions.

[Yorkshire Blue]

Apparently we've lost the toss. Given the overhead conditions and the pitch looking decidely green Sarwan has put us in.

What are the odds of Prior on debut having a bat before lunch?

[Matt the Shrimp]

One further thought... what's the latest on Simon Jones?

Matt

[Matt the Shrimp]

Apparently we've lost the toss. Given the overhead conditions and the pitch looking decidely green Sarwan has put us in.

What are the odds of Prior on debut having a bat before lunch?
Ooh, bad toss to lose. The ball will be swinging like a banana this morning. Collymore and Bravo can certainly move it around - although I've never been that impressed by the former - although I wonder what Taylor will make of English conditions. Whatever happened to Fidel Edwards, incidentally?

Let's hope Cook & Strauss are in suitably Boycottian mood...

Matt

[Yorkshire Blue]

Light drizzle means Prior is now unlikely to get a bat before lunch. Not sure how much play they'll get in today.

[BILLERICAY BLUE]

I would think it will be ideal conditions for Collymore, who is a more of a move it about a bit bowler rather than a tearaway quick. He might not pitch it far enough up though which will give our bats a bit of a chance.

Play is under way......

[Bluesmanager]

One further thought... what's the latest on Simon Jones?

Matt

Playing for Glamorgan in their league match. Probably won't make the test series, but may feature in the ODIs.

[Yorkshire Blue]

The lefthanders have survived the opening half hour.

I actually think that with the Duke ball, it takes a few overs for the ball to really start to swing. I'd therefore say that the second half hour is tougher than the first. Hopefully Cook and Strauss can still be there at lunch.

[canveyshrimper]

31/0 in the 10th Over, fairly sedate start, but no dramas so far.

[Pubey]

hopefully we can kick on now... cook especially needs to prove that he can up the run rate a bit. too slow for a test opener at the moment

[Yorkshire Blue]

hopefully we can kick on now... cook especially needs to prove that he can up the run rate a bit. too slow for a test opener at the moment

This is test match cricket, not one-day cricket. Having lost the toss and been put in on a green pitch, in overcast, humid conditions surivival is the key. These two need to concentrate on still being there at lunch and any runs are a bonus.

[Pubey]

This is test match cricket, not one-day cricket. Having lost the toss and been put in on a green pitch, in overcast, humid conditions surivival is the key. These two need to concentrate on still being there at lunch and any runs are a bonus.

but the ball isn't doing anything so the initiative needs to be seized early... our players have been getting out not because they are trying to increase the rate, but by trying to force shots whilst protecting their wicket.... if he played his natural essex game then he wouldn't have any problems... strauss is pushing on already because he knows that getting a score down is important with rain threatening.

test matches require teams that can take the initiative early... like Australia always do if they bat first... putting the bowlers under immediate pressure is the best way to protect your wicket IMO

[Yorkshire Blue]

but the ball isn't doing anything so the initiative needs to be seized early... our players have been getting out not because they are trying to increase the rate, but by trying to force shots whilst protecting their wicket.... if he played his natural essex game then he wouldn't have any problems... strauss is pushing on already because he knows that getting a score down is important with rain threatening.

test matches require teams that can take the initiative early... like Australia always do if they bat first... putting the bowlers under immediate pressure is the best way to protect your wicket IMO

For so long as these two are here, the iniative is with England. If you win the toss and insert the opposition, you should pick up at least two, probably 3 wickets before lunch. If they occupy the crease runs will come. They need to build a platform from which the middle order can attack and go after tired bowlers (the Windies have only 3 front-line seamers, plus Bravo).

Test matches aren't won in the opening session, but they can be lost in it.

Besides, Cook has a strike-rate of nearly 70, which is more than respectable.

[canveyshrimper]

but the ball isn't doing anything so the initiative needs to be seized early... our players have been getting out not because they are trying to increase the rate, but by trying to force shots whilst protecting their wicket.... if he played his natural essex game then he wouldn't have any problems... strauss is pushing on already because he knows that getting a score down is important with rain threatening.

test matches require teams that can take the initiative early... like Australia always do if they bat first... putting the bowlers under immediate pressure is the best way to protect your wicket IMO

It's a 5 Day game & a minmum of 450 overs, England are going along at 4 an over, and Cook is outscoring Strauss, so I'm not sure what your point is. I agree that way the convicts under initially Steve Waugh moved test cricket to another level. However on an under preapred wicket on the first day at Lords of a new season, then England are playing this right. Cook will never be a big shot merchant like Trescothick, but he will score well & regularly, more in the mode of an Atherton. Plus there are plenty of times when application is required, like in Perth in the winter when he scored a great 100.

IMO England have more than enough to beat this poor WIndies team in a canter.

Can't wait for that to come back and bite me on the @rse.:p

[Pubey]

For so long as these two are here, the iniative is with England. If you win the toss and insert the opposition, you should pick up at least two, probably 3 wickets before lunch. If they occupy the crease runs will come. They need to build a platform from which the middle order can attack and go after tired bowlers (the Windies have only 3 front-line seamers, plus Bravo).

Test matches aren't won in the opening session, but they can be lost in it.

Besides, Cook has a strike-rate of nearly 70, which is more than respectable.

yep I'm not knocking what the boys are doing at the moment, they are playing the bad balls and the windies haven't had a sniff... cook looks good out there. however so far cook has yet to look like he can make big scores quickly, which is important in todays game as frequently the middleorder are expected to quickly continue the runrate without anytime for them to get settled (which players like freddy and collingwood often need)

and i believe that psychologically games can be won very early... the windies attack is really limited and for them not to get any break through and already be 100+ down they will feel like the game is already getting away from them

[Pubey]

It's a 5 Day game & a minmum of 450 overs, England are going along at 4 an over, and Cook is outscoring Strauss, so I'm not sure what your point is. I agree that way the convicts under initially Steve Waugh moved test cricket to another level. However on an under preapred wicket on the first day at Lords of a new season, then England are playing this right. Cook will never be a big shot merchant like Trescothick, but he will score well & regularly, more in the mode of an Atherton. Plus there are plenty of times when application is required, like in Perth in the winter when he scored a great 100.

IMO England have more than enough to beat this poor WIndies team in a canter.

Can't wait for that to come back and bite me on the @rse.:p


my point is in the past we have failed to beat weak teams convincingly and so need to prove today that we can take the intiative early and put them under sustained pressure... again I'm not knocking what the boys are doing as they are batting well and scoring at a good rate

[Matt the Shrimp]

81/0 off 20.3 ov on a green Lord's wicket in May, on a morning when the ball may actually be moving around a lot. I'd say that was more than respectable. They aren't playing in Taunton, you know!

:thump:

Far better to be 85/0 than 120/2 at lunch. These two can push on in the afternoon, and put the bowlers to the sword after tea.

Matt

[Bluesmanager]

If we can get to anywhere around 300-450 for between 4 and 6 I think we'll have had a good day.

[Yorkshire Blue]

Cook doesn't have to make scores quickly in test cricket. His scoring rate in test cricket is perfectly acceptable. If he can get a hundred at a strike-rate of 40, he gives a platform for the shotmakers, Like Pietersen, Shah, Prior (and when fit Flintoff) to go and score quickly.

England can bat at under 3.5 runs an over (they are currently just under 4) until tea tomorrow or an hour before close and still rack up 550-600. That then gives them 9 and a half sessions to take 20 wickets. With wickets in hand they can then look to really go after a tired Windies attack after lunch tomorrow.

If the bad ball is there to be hit, hit it, but on the first morning of a test I'd rather be 80-0 than 120-2.

[Yorkshire Blue]

The captain departs for 33.

Poor show for him. He scores 25% of his test runs (and a third of his tons) at his home ground of Lords.

[SUFC_Al]

88-1

Strauss c D Smith b D Powell 33

Owais Shah in at no. 3.

Cook just passed 50 :D

[Matt the Shrimp]

Poor show indeed from Strauss. Meanwhile, Cooky brings up his half century.

:)

[SUFC_Al]

Cookie
:)

mmm Cookie :hilarious:

[Pubey]

shocking shot by strauss

[Yorkshire Blue]

Shah out for 6.

His test average plummets from the inflated 63 to 44.

[Matt the Shrimp]

What was that we were saying about 120/2, Cousin Weir...?

:cry:

Still, Cook ploughs on - top man.

Matt

[Yorkshire Blue]

What was that we were saying about 120/2

:eek:

Thank goodness we went into lunch with all ten in tact. Had we gone in at 120-2 and then lost another 2 in the helpful conditions after lunch we'd be in all sorts of trouble.

KP 17* off 10 so far. I hope he doesn't get too carried away with it and throw away his wicket.

[SUFC_Al]

Cook and KP have put on 40 in 20 minutes.

[Yorkshire Blue]

Cook needs to work a few singles to give KP some more strike.

KP has only faced 3 balls in 5 overs.

[SUFC_Al]

bad light stopped play, 158-2

[Yorkshire Blue]

The bad light does for Pietersen. Out 3rd ball he faced after the stoppage.

Cook 86* and moving towards a test average of 50. He needs another 77 runs by my calculations (as long as he doesn't get dismissed).

KP's dismissal took him below 50. He now averages only 49.13 in tests.

[Yorkshire Blue]

Off again.

Not a great mini session that for England. 17 runs, but for the loss of Pietersen.

[Yorkshire Blue]

Cook moves onto 99.......

[Yorkshire Blue]

Cook moves onto 99.......

...and brings up his 100.

Well played Alistair Cook. Now make sure you are still there tomorrow.

[Ailsa Road Shrimper]

Come on West Indies, I want to see a good contest. Let's hope they can turn things round tomorrow and put England under pressure.

West Indies cricket is dying, it's very very sad