Priory Crescent

[Smiffy]

Looks like the Priory Crescent road widening scheme has been given the go-ahead at last, after 5 years of the numpty's trying to prevent this.

IMO this is great news as it can only now boost our chances of getting this new stadium built.

Here. (http://www.thisisessex.co.uk/essex/echo/news/NEWS0.html)

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[sufcintheprem]

Why can't people the council go and plant trees for every one they will knock down and finally shut these to**ers up!!

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Really annoys me that people can be so upset by a few trees being knocked down. Next thing you know, there'll be a tree rights bill.

F**king joke.

[Kent Shrimper]

IMO opinion this is cracking news, surely now the congestion card cant be pulled when we finally submit our plans?

[Smiffy]

Exactly my thoughts Kent Shrimper.

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[Smiffy]

Quote[/b] (sufcintheprem @ Feb. 07 2005,19:55)]Why can't people the council go and plant trees for every one they will knock down and finally shut these to**ers up!!

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Really annoys me that people can be so upset by a few trees being knocked down. *Next thing you know, there'll be a tree rights bill.

F**king joke.
Exactly, the council have already been quoted as saying for every tree they have to knock down for the road widening project, they will plant TWO more in its place!.

So what exactly these tree huggers have a problem with I dont know?!.

Maybe they are concerned about increased traffic numbers, but even that would be unfounded as just because a road is made bigger it doesnt necessarily mean more traffic does it.

But personally I think they are just the sort of people this town doesnt need, they are the people that are trying to stop this town moving forward and looking to the future..... the future which is a brand spanking new stadium and a nice BIG road leading up to it!.

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I suspect that no one is bothered about the trees

What does bother people is having a huge dual carriageway right outside their doorstep. It's not going to do much for your house price, is it?

[Smiffy]

Well they shouldnt live there in the first place then should they, its always been a majorly busy route anyway.

Quote[/b] (Smiffy @ Feb. 08 2005,08:46)]Well they shouldnt live there in the first place then should they, its always been a majorly busy route anyway.
I want the road to be built, I'm just saying that I understand why some people are upset.

[* ORM *]

Quote[/b] (sufcintheprem @ Feb. 07 2005,19:55)]Why can't people the council go and plant trees for every one they will knock down and finally shut these to**ers up!!
They are intending to plant replacement trees - in Progress Road !!!!.

They'll need to deal with the next bottleneck at the Sutton Road roundabout but methinks this is part of a cunning plan to push the jams as far east as possible with the intention of gridlocking Shoebury and turning it into a ghetto (hang on, that's an improvement http://www.shrimperzone.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif )

[overseas shrimper]

Quote[/b] (Guest @ Feb. 08 2005,09:35)]I suspect that no one is bothered about the trees

What does bother people is having a huge dual carriageway right outside their doorstep. It's not going to do much for your house price, is it?
Does a bottleneck, where cars are idle and expelling their fumes for a longer period of time ADD to a property's value?

If there's going to be plenty of traffic either way, I'd rather it was kept on the move.

[Ron Manager]

I think that this decision is the right one and will be good for the town as a whole, forgetting any potential boost for the stadium plans. On the whole the relatively small section of Priory Park that will be lost is a sacrifice worth making to improve the traffic flow in that area.

However it is a sacrifice and I believe it was only right that questions were asked and time taken to make the correct decision. Priory Park is a part of this town, a beautiful park which was part of my childhood and hopefully it will still be there to form a part of my children's upbringing. So to dismiss people who protested against this purely as sad tree huggers is a bit shortsighted in my opinion.

[Matt the Shrimp]

Quote[/b] (Smiffy @ Feb. 07 2005,22:01)]Quote[/b] (sufcintheprem @ Feb. 07 2005,19:55)]Really annoys me that people can be so upset by a few trees being knocked down. *Next thing you know, there'll be a tree rights bill.

F**king joke.
Maybe they are concerned about increased traffic numbers, but even that would be unfounded as just because a road is made bigger it doesnt necessarily mean more traffic does it.
Every traffic planner in the country would probably disagree with you, Smiffy. Without exception, when a wider road is built, more cars appear (because their drivers think - ah, a new dual carriageway - that'll be the quickest way to go).

Whilst, as a matter of general principle, we shouldn't go around knocking down trees, equally there has to be an overall environmental impact assessment made. In the case of Priory Crescent, how environmentally friendly can it be to have a long queue of standing traffic there all the time?

The answer must surely be "not very"; in which case, clearing the congestion and thus reducing low level pollution must have a higher environmental benefit than leaving the trees there.

As it is, I do not understand the trees in question to be protected or of particular scientific or natural interest; that being so, planting saplings is actually more benefical environmentally, since young trees tend to use up on average twice as much carbon dioxide as mature trees.

Of course, the fact that it's also potentially beneficial to SUFC is purely by-the-by...

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[Smiffy]

Ron I indeed lived across the road from Priory Park for nearly 20 years of which was my entire childhood, so I too have many happy memories of playing in the park, climbing the big monkey tree in the maze etc etc.

But the town needs to move on in a positive way, the population is increasing, so are the cars, not a nice fact, but it is indeed that. So the roads need to improve with it or it will cause not only us but our children major problems in the years to come.

It is only a small part of the park that will be lost, and parts that 99% of the public wouldnt use anyway, plus the council are willing to plant two trees for every one uprooted in the process.

I can see these people's point, but instead of thinking of how they are going to be affected, they should think how it will affect everyone in the years to come...

A small sacrifice to pay if you ask me.

[Ron Manager]

Quote[/b] (Smiffy @ Feb. 08 2005,09:52)]Ron I indeed lived across the road from Priory Park for nearly 20 years of which was my entire childhood, so I too have many happy memories of playing in the park, climbing the big monkey tree in the maze etc etc.

But the town needs to move on in a positive way, the population is increasing, so are the cars, not a nice fact, but it is indeed that. So the roads need to improve with it or it will cause not only us but our children major problems in the years to come.

It is only a small part of the park that will be lost, and parts that 99% of the public wouldnt use anyway, plus the council are willing to plant two trees for every one uprooted in the process.

I can see these people's point, but instead of thinking of how they are going to be affected, they should think how it will affect everyone in the years to come...

A small sacrifice to pay if you ask me.
I agree, and said as much in my post. But I also feel that it was appropriate that the time was taken to make this decision, the correct one I believe, and that the opinions of the protesters were taken into account.

[Smiffy]

Indeed, but I still think these people are the ones that contribute toward stopping this decaying town of ours moving forward, something which really ****es me off to be quite honest.

I want my child to have the best possible area to live in, with the best possible amenities, public transport etc etc available to him/her, something which we unfortunately have not had...

[sufcintheprem]

Perhaps it won't be good for your house prices round the area but there doesn't seem to be a lot between having 3 hours of constant traffic outside your house or a free flowing dual carriageway.

I'm not naive enough to think that the traffic will just go away but there really seems to be no other choice. The traffic there is ridiculous sometimes.

[blues_r_best]

I think that its a bad decision really, although it will be beneficial to SUFC, the traffic that uses Priory Cresent will still be blocked up at both ends, the sutton Road roundabout has a duel carriageway leading up to it and is still a traffic jam and it takes about 15 mins to do the stretch from the sewage works to the roundabout. All that'll happen is that the traffic will reach the Cuckoo Corner quicker and then still end up in a traffic jam but with the potential of twice as many cars trying to get round it.

[The General]

Quote[/b] (blues_r_best @ Feb. 08 2005,11:43)]I think that its a bad decision really, although it will be beneficial to SUFC, the traffic that uses Priory Cresent will still be blocked up at both ends, the sutton Road roundabout has a duel carriageway leading up to it and is still a traffic jam and it takes about 15 mins to do the stretch from the sewage works to the roundabout. All that'll happen is that the traffic will reach the Cuckoo Corner quicker and then still end up in a traffic jam but with the potential of twice as many cars trying to get round it.
Stick ya poxy little yellows bits of ribbon up your arse! In your Prittiwell slums ...

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[blues_r_best]

Quote[/b] (The General @ Feb. 08 2005,11:52)]Quote[/b] (blues_r_best @ Feb. 08 2005,11:43)]I think that its a bad decision really, although it will be beneficial to SUFC, the traffic that uses Priory Cresent will still be blocked up at both ends, the sutton Road roundabout has a duel carriageway leading up to it and is still a traffic jam and it takes about 15 mins to do the stretch from the sewage works to the roundabout. All that'll happen is that the traffic will reach the Cuckoo Corner quicker and then still end up in a traffic jam but with the potential of twice as many cars trying to get round it.
Stick ya poxy little yellows bits of ribbon up your arse! In your Prittiwell slums ...

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It's better than Shoebury and Southchurch.

[The Flying Scotsman]

Quote[/b] (blues_r_best @ Feb. 08 2005,12:03)]It's better than Shoebury and Southchurch.
Very good point, i would have said they would be better sorting out the roundabouts to overcome this problem.

Priory Park - Where SZFC all started.

PS - Its "Southchurch Village" http://www.shrimperzone.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

[Smiffy]

I have to admit i did go around taking the yellow ribbons off of the cars a few years back, but you do understand I was in my youth!.

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[The General]

Haha. Todd - You get my message about tonight? We are no longer going Canvey as they aint playing Crawley! http://www.shrimperzone.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

Southchurch Village. If you suggest that to the local council, they'd love it and probably go for it, so it makes the area sound posh!! http://www.shrimperzone.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif

God im bored. I was finished work at 8.15am this morning. http://www.shrimperzone.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

[blues_r_best]

I got your message.

[The General]

Cool. Im gunna have to buy FM 2005 otherwise these afternoon's are going to be wasted sleeping and at the bookies!

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[blues_r_best]

Because finishing at 8.15 is such a tough day's work for you isn't it. You ought to try college for two years, i've never wasted so many afternoons.

[Ron Manager]

Quote[/b] (The General @ Feb. 08 2005,12:35)]Southchurch Village. If you suggest that to the local council, they'd love it and probably go for it, so it makes the area sound posh!! http://www.shrimperzone.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif
Many a true word spoken in jest mate -

Southchurch Village (http://www.southchurchvillage.com/)

[* ORM *]

Quote[/b] (Ron Manager @ Feb. 08 2005,13:38)]Many a true word spoken in jest mate -

Southchurch Village (http://www.southchurchvillage.com/)
Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo ! I don't believe that !

This all came about because some tw*t had printed Southchurch Village on the top of the agenda for SZFCs monthly Committee Meeting last night.

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[rabbloke]

Trees at Priory Park, road congestion et al. The reason there is so much objection is that FF is NOT the ideal site for SUFC. In that I am not sure where is, I am sure FF is not. The town as a collective should be coming together to establish a major sporting facility that is the toast of the county, if not the country. There is no benefit by placing such a venue where there is already considerable traffic going to many other amenities. B&Q, Cecil Jones and whatever the hospital up there is called, will all be a delight on match day. So too will all the sporting areas on Eastern Avenue and equally the through traffic to Shoebury etc... If the rusty bucket still exists then I am sure they will be rubbing their hands with glee whilst the surrounding housing estates brace themselves for the ensuing invasion. I use to prefer the earlier suggestions of Warners Bridge area, perhaps on a part of the airport. It could have its own station and would finally kill off the expansion dreams that some harbour for an airport the council have stopped from doubling the employment of Southend and quadrupling the towns wealth. If they are not going to use it properly then change its use. It has never recovered from the demise of Channel Airways. Road access could easily be improved to the airport and it would prevent a clash of traffic going to this site and that of the towns traffic. Failing this, put it on a site near the A127 or emulate Arsenal and find a light industrial area and move them to a new site(FF perhaps) and utilise their existing area.Perhaps somewhere around Progress Road. There are many other, better options. A little out of town with matchday Park and Ride would be cool. The area of Leigh Rail station etc.etc... To me FF is like the M25. They did not have the foresight when they built it that it should have more lanes, equally SUFC should build a stadium with more amenity that is far more beneficial to the town and with a major council input and support to take on to the bicentenial.

[Bob Cratchitt]

Quote[/b] (rabbloke @ Feb. 08 2005,14:55)]If the rusty bucket still exists then I am sure they will be rubbing their hands with glee whilst the surrounding housing estates brace themselves for the ensuing invasion.
Blimey you have not been in that part of the world for a while, The Rusty Bucket became the Invisible man which then became a MacDonalds Drive Thru.

I do not see a problem with it being at Fossetts Farm myself. The council had a chance with a previous administration when the council was run under a Lib/Lab pact to work with SUFC to develop Garons into a place that catered for most sports, Professional and community football, Rugby, Cricket, Equestrian, Ice Skating, Ice Hockey, Angling, Atheletics as well as Golf but instead they decided to go it alone. and thus we now have Garons Park which only caters for a small portion of those sports. So I guess SUFC decided if they had any hope of succeeding with their plans they would need to concentrate on the Stadium primarily. Which when they did, seemed to get the backing of the council. Also Leigh Station would not be ideal due to the impact to nature and the amount tree huggers that live there. Also you have to remember when the Government did a study into the best site possible for a Football stadium Fossetts Farm area won hands down.

[rabbloke]

Quote[/b] (Bob Cratchitt @ Feb. 08 2005,16:20)]Quote[/b] (rabbloke @ Feb. 08 2005,14:55)]If the rusty bucket still exists then I am sure they will be rubbing their hands with glee whilst the surrounding housing estates brace themselves for the ensuing invasion.
Blimey you have not been in that part of the world for a while, The Rusty Bucket became the Invisible man which then became a MacDonalds Drive Thru.

I do not see a problem with it being at Fossetts Farm myself. The council had a chance with a previous administration when the council was run under a Lib/Lab pact to work SUFC to develop Garons into a place that catered for most sports, Professional and community football, Rugby, Cricket, Equestrian, Ice Skating, Ice Hockey, Angling, Atheletics as well as Golf but instead they decided to go it alone. and thus we now have Garons Park which only caters a small portion of those sports. So I guess SUFC decided if they had any hope of succeeding with their plan they would need to concentrate on the Stadium primarily which when they did seemed to get the backing of the council. Also Leigh Station would not be ideal due to the impact nature and the amount tree huggers that live there. Also you have to remember when the Government did a study into the best site possible for a Football stadium Fossetts Farm area won hands down.
Tree huggers at Leigh is a point I accept. As for the Government study coming up with FF as the best site, how many places did they consider and what was the politics behind the decision they came to. I have less faith in a Government study than I do in Southend council. Enough said.

[Bob Cratchitt]

Quote[/b] (* ORM * @ Feb. 08 2005,13:59)]Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo ! I don't believe that !

This all came about because some tw*t had printed Southchurch Village on the top of the agenda for SZFCs monthly Committee Meeting last night.
I think you will find ORM that our dear developers and estate agents might have had a hand in the new nae rather than our own Southchurch resident. Then again who knows??

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Answers on a postcard!!

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[Javea Shrimper]

Quote[/b] (Matt the Shrimp @ Feb. 08 2005,09:51)]Every traffic planner in the country would probably disagree with you, Smiffy. *Without exception, when a wider road is built, more cars appear (because their drivers think - ah, a new dual carriageway - that'll be the quickest way to go).
But not here in Jávea, Matt. I think the Spanish see a new dual carriageway, think "f**k that for a game of soldados" and continue to use the old, pot-holed road. I kid ye not ...

WS

[seenyeva kryevyetka]

Quote[/b] (rabbloke @ Feb. 08 2005,14:55)]Trees at Priory Park, road congestion et al. The reason there is so much objection is that FF is NOT the ideal site for SUFC. In that I am not sure where is, I am sure FF is not. The town as a collective should be coming together to establish a major sporting facility that is the toast of the county, if not the country. There is no benefit by placing such a venue where there is already considerable traffic going to many other amenities. *B&Q, Cecil Jones and whatever the hospital up there is called, will all be a delight on match day. So too will all the sporting areas on Eastern Avenue and equally the through traffic to Shoebury etc... If the rusty bucket still exists then I am sure they will be rubbing their hands with glee whilst the surrounding housing estates brace themselves for the ensuing invasion. I use to prefer the earlier suggestions of Warners Bridge area, perhaps on a part of the airport. It could have its own station and would finally kill off the expansion dreams that some harbour for an airport the council have stopped from *doubling the employment of Southend and quadrupling the towns wealth. If they are not going to use it properly then change its use. It has never recovered from the demise of Channel Airways. Road access could easily be improved to the airport and it would prevent a clash of traffic going to this site and that of the towns traffic. Failing this, put it on a site near the A127 or emulate Arsenal and find a light industrial area and move them to a new site(FF perhaps) and utilise their existing area.Perhaps somewhere around Progress Road. There are many other, better options. A little out of town with matchday Park and Ride would be cool. The area of Leigh Rail station etc.etc... To me FF is like the M25. They did not have the foresight when they built it that it should have more lanes, equally SUFC should build a stadium with more amenity that is far more beneficial to the town and with a major council input and support to take on to the bicentenial.
Good Lord! I tend to agree with this. Except the bit about building on the airport. There is a wonderful site already available where the rugby club is. There would be no change of use. I hate to say this but I seem to remember even Uncle Vic once mooted this option. With a new station at the airport and access from the roundabout there would be easy approaches from north, south, west and east. The airport could also then become what it was in the sixties and provide flights to other parts of the country and Europe.
Whilst not an actual tree hugger I take the view that most trees have been here longer than I have and will be here long after I have gone. The Priory Park scheme is a short sighted, easy option from a council that is always ready to take the easy option. And one should always ask oneself the question "When has anything sponsored by Southend Council ever not become a costly white elephant?"

[Bob Cratchitt]

Quote[/b] (seenyeva kryevyetka @ Feb. 09 2005,20:42)]The airport could also then become what it was in the sixties and provide flights to other parts of the country and Europe.
But is that not what the point of the new safety certificate is all about and the plans for the new terminal building and the fact the according to sources that flybe.com are supposedly interested increasing the number of flights out of Southend. At present they run the summer service to Jersey from Southend, but with the new certificate then they will be able to allow bigger planes to land.

Of course I am sure anyone who works at the airport will know more than myself, but this is what I heard.

[The Flying Scotsman]

I have heard that Southend Airport will be doing flights to and from Scotland. Handy for some of us!!

[Smiffy]

Tis True, this summer flights are due to be available to many european destinations including Paris, Amsterdam and Madrid to name a few, courtesy of flybe and another unamed operator thought to be Easyjet, and yes FS Glasgow too!.

Long way off yet though, wont be surprised if it goes tits up again. Hope not, it was nice to be able to fly away on holidays to Portugal, Spain and Malta from there.



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[Matt the Shrimp]

Quote[/b] (Javea Shrimper @ Feb. 08 2005,21:41)]But not here in Jávea, Matt. I think the Spanish see a new dual carriageway, think "f**k that for a game of soldados" and continue to use the old, pot-holed road. I kid ye not ...

WS
I've now got an amusing if bizarre image of a grizzly Spaniard, drawing on his Chesterfield and saying:

"Jode esta por un juego de soldados..."

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And, yes, I'm aware that that's probably the most un-Spanish sentence ever...

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[Smiffy]

Quote[/b] (Matt the Shrimp @ Feb. 10 2005,09:47)]"Jode esta por un juego de soldados..."

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And, yes, I'm aware that that's probably the most un-Spanish sentence ever...

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Jode this by a game of soldiers??!!..

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[GlasgowSUFC]

Quote[/b] (The Flying Scotsman @ Feb. 10 2005,08:46)]I have heard that Southend Airport will be doing flights to and from Scotland. Handy for some of us!!
Too right TFS.
I'd love to see this happen but I won't hold my breath!
It would mean a definite upturn in the number of home games I could get to since I moved up here!

[Matt the Shrimp]

Quote[/b] (Smiffy @ Feb. 10 2005,09:55)]Jode this by a game of soldiers??!!..

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"joder" is the Spanish verb for f**k...

"Jode" is the present imperative, I presume...

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[Smiffy]

I see what your getting at Matt!..

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