Rob Newman

[XXL16]

Part-time scout at West Ham United, still played for Gorleston in the Ridgeons League

[Napster]

Yes and still bitter about Southend. Hey, XXL, do you
want Sutchy's agent's number?



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Quote[/b] (Napster @ Mar. 05 2004,09:50)]Yes and still bitter about Southend. Hey, XXL, do you
want Sutchy's agent's number?



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[Beefy]

Quote[/b] (Napster @ Mar. 05 2004,09:50)]Yes and still bitter about Southend.
Is he really bitter about us? I thought he'd come and seen us a few times this year.

Really hope he lands another job in football though.

[Napster]

Quote[/b] (Beefy @ Mar. 05 2004,15:49)]
Quote[/b] (Napster @ Mar. 05 2004,09:50)]Yes and still bitter about Southend.
Is he really bitter about us?
yes. very.

[Beefy]

Not doubting you at all, but how do you know?

Is he bitter about the club? Robson? Ron Martin? The fans?

[Napster]

Quote[/b] (Beefy @ Mar. 05 2004,16:05)]Not doubting you at all, but how do you know?

Is he bitter about the club? Robson? Ron Martin? The fans?
Well, I wanted to talk to him for the LDV fanzine thingy, but his agent told me he refused to help out, as did Sutch, as they believed they had been treated unprofessionally by the club.

[Andy_S]

Quote[/b] (Napster @ Mar. 05 2004,16:14)]
Quote[/b] (Beefy @ Mar. 05 2004,16:05)]Not doubting you at all, but how do you know?

Is he bitter about the club? Robson? Ron Martin? The fans?
Well, I wanted to talk to him for the LDV fanzine thingy, but his agent told me he refused to help out, as did Sutch, as they believed they had been treated unprofessionally by the club.
Really?

[Beefy]

Fair enough.

[Napster]

Quote[/b] (Andy_S @ Mar. 05 2004,16:22)]
Quote[/b] (Napster @ Mar. 05 2004,16:14)]
Quote[/b] (Beefy @ Mar. 05 2004,16:05)]Not doubting you at all, but how do you know?

Is he bitter about the club? Robson? Ron Martin? The fans?
Well, I wanted to talk to him for the LDV fanzine thingy, but his agent told me he refused to help out, as did Sutch, as they believed they had been treated unprofessionally by the club.
Really?
It's not something I'd make up, to be honest.

[Beefy]

Liar

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[The General]

Still a legend and was treated harshly!!

Kev

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[XXL16]

Quote[/b] (Napster @ Mar. 05 2004,09:50)]Yes and still bitter about Southend. Hey, XXL, do you
want Sutchy's agent's number?



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of course he has got the hump! the chairman appointed that
swollen head of robson behind his back when tilly was helping
out with the training??
think about we were 12th in the table and he got the sack: now we are 16th and everybody is happy !!
i am disappointed with mr martin, in life you should always set
your targets higher!! by the way, rob is a smashing fella and
deserves the utmost respect for what he has given to the club
as a player and also as a manager: some people should wash
their mouths before saying a bad word about him.
i wish him all the best, end of.

[chadded]

Legend of the highest order. A real man- turned up at Tilly's testamonial a week after being sacked.

I'm genuinely proud to have shaken that mans hand.

[Beefy]

Quote[/b] (Guest @ Mar. 06 2004,09:55)]some people should wash
their mouths before saying a bad word about him.
i wish him all the best, end of.
To be fair I don't think that you'll find too many Southend fans who speak badly of Rob. We all wanted him to get the job and we all wanted him to do well in it. The criticism towards the end of his reign was generally about Rob Newman the manager rather than Rob Newman the man.

As far as I'm concerned, Rob Newman is a legend and one of my favourite players to have worn a Southend shirt. I hope that he gets back into the game and proves Ron Martin wrong.

[XXL16]

When Big Rob played for Southend United, even after he become player-manager, he always had brilliant performance! He didn't score many goals as he did for Bristol City and Norwich City but in Southend, remember his first season for the Shrimpers, yeah he made a few mistakes at the back but his goals, he was the leading scorer that season right?

Actually the last season he played for Southend he still continue his scoring form, a half volley against Sc**thorpe (right?) was top skill, especially for a 38 years old I had to say...

[The General]

** sarcasm alert on **

So we should have kept Newman?? Blimey ... wished i worked that out earlier!!

** sarcasm alert off **

Kev

dear mr general, of course we should have keept him!
at least we wouldnt have been in the sheet position we are
now: with rob we were just outside the play-offs with a much
worse team than we have got now!!!
instead with the wignall-robson-til- basil look where we are!!!
what we need at this club is stability; we sacked a young
manager in his first managerial experience without giving him enough time to build up something.
what about if next year we are second from bottom again after ten matches with til and basil in charge?
would you be the first one to ask for their heads? or would you
show more patience, the one we didnt have with rob?
it takes three years to build up a winning side and patience is
the key- word, mr general!

[BluePartridge]

Quote[/b] (Guest @ Mar. 06 2004,09:55)]think about we were 12th in the table and he got the sack: now we are *16th and everybody is happy !!
Alan Little was sacked when we were in the Play-offs! http://www.shrimperzone.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif http://www.shrimperzone.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

[The General]

Quote[/b] (Guest @ Mar. 07 2004,09:11)]dear mr general, of course we should have keept him!
at least we wouldnt have been in the sheet position we are
now: with rob we were just outside the play-offs with a much
worse team than we have got now!!!
instead with the wignall-robson-til- basil look where we are!!!
what we need at this club is stability; we sacked a young
manager in his first managerial experience without giving him enough time to build up something.
what about if next year we are second from bottom again after ten matches with til and basil in charge?
would you be the first one to ask for their heads? or would you
show more patience, the one we didnt have with rob?
it takes three years to build up a winning side and patience is
the key- word, mr general!
I completely agree. I fully backed Newman but got slated by the majority (including that f**king tw*t, MF) but now we are r-e-a-l-l-y struggling, the suport for Newman has grown more and more. Would have been nice to have kept him, and see what he did as our manager ...

Kev

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[1TeaminSX]

Quote[/b] (The General @ Mar. 07 2004,15:41)]I completely agree. I fully backed Newman but got slated by the majority (including that f**king tw*t, MF) but now we are r-e-a-l-l-y struggling, the suport for Newman has grown more and more. Would have been nice to have kept him, and see what he did as our manager ...
If we only we could do everything with the benefit of hindsight.

I mean sacking Alan Little when we were in the play-offs??? that just seems pure lunacy now but at the time seemd (IMO) a reasonable gesture by the powers that be,cos we wanted straight promotion not thru the cr*ppy play-offs!!

Also with Rob, looking back ,did he really do that bad? Obviously not considering our current predicament.
Each time we sack a manager we just seem 2 get that little bit worse. Where will it end...........?

[The General]

Quote[/b] (1TeaminSX @ Mar. 07 2004,22:41)]
Quote[/b] (The General @ Mar. 07 2004,15:41)]I completely agree. I fully backed Newman but got slated by the majority (including that f**king tw*t, MF) but now we are r-e-a-l-l-y struggling, the suport for Newman has grown more and more. Would have been nice to have kept him, and see what he did as our manager ...
If we only we could do everything with the benefit of hindsight.

I mean sacking Alan Little when we were in the play-offs??? that just seems pure lunacy now but at the time seemd (IMO) a reasonable gesture by the powers that be,cos we wanted straight promotion not thru the cr*ppy play-offs!!

Also with Rob, looking back ,did he really do that bad? Obviously not considering our current predicament.
Each time we sack a manager we just seem 2 get that little bit worse. Where will it end...........?
Thats why we're not appointing a manager then!! LOL

[footymad13]

Quote[/b] (Beefy @ Mar. 06 2004,16:08)]
Quote[/b] (Guest @ Mar. 06 2004,09:55)]some people should wash
their mouths before saying a bad word about him.
i wish him all the best, end of.
To be fair I don't think that you'll find too many Southend fans who speak badly of Rob. We all wanted him to get the job and we all wanted him to do well in it. The criticism towards the end of his reign was generally about Rob Newman the manager rather than Rob Newman the man.

As far as I'm concerned, Rob Newman is a legend and one of my favourite players to have worn a Southend shirt. I hope that he gets back into the game and proves Ron Martin wrong.
*sticks hand up*

Don't like him, thought he was poor to say the least, his signings were poor and lets see where is Danny Maye ? or Mark Beard or even yes even Graham Jones that wonder 20 goal striker he promised us.

As for him not helping out the TRUST which is the fans of the club and not the club. And apparently he liked the fans shame he couldnt back it up with his actions. Give a little bit back to the fans that still supported him.

Hey rob if your out there if your such a good manager tell me why hasn't anyone appointed you, plenty of vacent managerial posts since you were sacked and rightly so.

His football was awfull, his tatics were disgracefull, his signings were plain cr*p oh and he never bloody said anything different all you got was ' we were unlucky to lose' b******s you had sh*t players and you were a sh*te manager Rob hince why ur doing sweet FA at the moment.

He was given plenty of time to show what he could do but he gave no real indication he was moving forward infact he moved the club back.

Rob Newman was appointed because he was cheap, the fans quite liked him so it would keep them off the boards back for a while and more importantly he was dirt cheap.

Ok bloke but failed very badly at being a manager.

Good riddence !

[footymad13]

Quote[/b] (Beefy @ Mar. 06 2004,16:08)]
Quote[/b] (Guest @ Mar. 06 2004,09:55)]some people should wash
their mouths before saying a bad word about him.
i wish him all the best, end of.
To be fair I don't think that you'll find too many Southend fans who speak badly of Rob. We all wanted him to get the job and we all wanted him to do well in it. The criticism towards the end of his reign was generally about Rob Newman the manager rather than Rob Newman the man.

As far as I'm concerned, Rob Newman is a legend and one of my favourite players to have worn a Southend shirt. I hope that he gets back into the game and proves Ron Martin wrong.
Hey ******** call me a tw*t, well Kev once again you know where i sit and who i am dare ya to say it too my face, if not then put a sock in it arswipe !,

The team is showing much much more qualities than i saw under useless newman. Hell of alot more team spirit. People like Gower, Smith, Dudfield really are the sort of players we need in this division. the players have alot of respect for both Tilson and Brush and to be honest if we can stay in the league i might have a flutter for the first time on us gettign in the play offs.

A major cup final & pulling out of the religation zone perhaps a top half finish, something newman only just managed.

So i tell ya what Kev, stop sporting southend and go to Newmans new club, but oh sh*t i forgot he did such a good job and has such a good CV that so many clubs what him. I mean i believe he cant even manage a non league side but hey his a top class manager i mean the other day i saw Southampton offering him a return to football but heck Rob said he was happy moaning at Southend.

[coach ET]

dear footymad 13, dont get excited!! you are saying that rob
was appointed because he was cheap and the fans liked him.
nice gay tilly or boneless tilly is even cheaper!! i give you a
clue now : your " gutsless steve" was ready to jump ship and
being rob's number two at leyton orient if he would have got
the job?http://www.shrimperzone.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif did you know this? just to remind you we are 18th
in the table,aren't we? jay smith was signed by rob isn'it?
and you can keep your rosemary tilly and basil, i will catch you
up later in the year and i hope you will have the same opinion!!
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[1TeaminSX]

Quote[/b] (coach ET @ Mar. 08 2004,11:24)]dear footymad 13, dont get excited!! you are saying that rob
was appointed because he was cheap and the fans liked him.
nice gay tilly or boneless tilly is even cheaper!! i give you a
clue now : your " gutsless steve" was ready to jump ship and
being rob's number two at leyton orient if he would have got
the job?http://www.shrimperzone.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif did you know this? just to remind you we are 18th
in the table,aren't we? jay smith was signed by rob isn'it?
and you can keep your rosemary tilly and basil, i will catch you
up later in the year and i hope you will have the same opinion!!
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You're a cunning one arent u ET?

Stirring it with ur snippets of info. lol.

You say a lot without saying much.

Are you Jobsons ghost come back to haunt us???

[Matt the Shrimp]

Or perhaps he's the man who likes trains... always looking for the negative.

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[chadded]

Quote[/b] (footymad13 @ Mar. 08 2004,00:22)]i might have a flutter for the first time on us gettign in the play offs.
*Hypocrite alert!*

I'm sure the bookmakers would have something to say about that....

P.S. I love Newman as well, so not don't insult someone who called me pal.

P.P.S I'd love you to say to Rob himself you think he's cr*p.



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[coach ET]

dear 1teaminSX, what would you like to know?
i am not that clever, i just dont like people that insult rob without having a clue about what went on with him.
i am not negative,i just dont like people that go with the tide
and they are the first ones to crucify the main man when things go wrong.
you can have your opinion about tilly and brush, i will keep mine and that comes from working together with steve .
in my years in football i always put a man's word before everything: well, in his case his word is worth less than nothing.
he proved to me that, behind the appearance, there is a man
that run away from situations instead of facing up to them and
that to me is enough not to get the manager's job.
ask yourself why he hasnt got the job yet?
he is surrounded by people that will never be a threat to him
but one thing for sure, what goes around comes round and
one day he will get what he deserves.
an accurate description about the fella is what they call on the continent " an homme de merde" in other words a sh""" t
man. if he is out there, he will confirm that for you and he will
say he has got nothing against me.
well i have got something outstanding with him and dont matter how long it will take i will settle it up one day, he can
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sorry do disagrre but I know tilly, as he used to go to bromfords, and still plays table tennis in the sport centre (this is accurate to two years ago)

Also he volounteralyy coached my football team when we were without a coach, this was during his time at c*nvey, he did not have any other reasons other than passing on his experience, for this I am always thankful

[XXL16]

I am looking for Daryl Sutch will team up Rob Newman in the league but it never happen...:( http://www.shrimperzone.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif http://www.shrimperzone.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif http://www.shrimperzone.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif

[Shagster69]

MF you're a tw*t!

Quote[/b] (coach ET @ Mar. 08 2004,20:59)]dear 1teaminSX, what would you like to know?
i am not that clever, i just dont like people that insult rob without having a clue about what went on with him.
i am not negative,i just dont like people that go with the tide
and they are the first ones to crucify the main man when things go wrong.
you can have your opinion about tilly and brush, i will keep mine and that comes from working together with *steve .
in my years in football i always put a man's word before everything: well, in his case his word is worth less than nothing.
he proved to me that, behind the appearance, there is a man
that run away from situations instead of facing up to them and
that to me is enough not to get the manager's job.
ask yourself why he hasnt got the job yet?
he is surrounded by people that will never be a threat to him
but one thing for sure, what goes around comes round and
one day he will get what he deserves.
an accurate description about the fella is what they call on the continent " an homme de merde" in other words a sh""" t
man. if he is out there, he will confirm that for you and he will
say he has got nothing against me.
well i have got something outstanding with him and dont matter how long it will take i will settle it up one day, he can
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[Andy_S]

Quote[/b] (coach ET @ Mar. 08 2004,20:59)]dear 1teaminSX
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[coach ET]

rob has applied for that job when brush got the sack and wignall -robson were running our first team, and tilly was having problems with robson.
do me a favour, mate, moderate your language, i know what i
am talking about and dont get caught in the crossfire you could end up hurting yourself badly.
in other words keep your noose out, it is none of your business.

[Banksy]

Wignall was the boss - he ran the team. He, unfortunately, like others, could not accept SR's intellect !

[Smudger]

Coach ET - did Tilly get you sacked from a coaching role at the club by any chance, or was he instrumental/unsupportive in a situation the led to you getting the old heave ho? If so, perhaps he just didn't want to get involved?

Have to say he has done the business for us, whatever you think of him. Beaten only once in the last 10, major final for first time in 98 years - not a bad start for the player of the millenium.

[footymad13]

Quote[/b] (Shagster69 @ Mar. 09 2004,08:46)]MF you're a tw*t!
Truth Hurts !

[McScriven]

Quote[/b] (footymad13 @ Mar. 09 2004,17:11)]
Quote[/b] (Shagster69 @ Mar. 09 2004,08:46)]MF you're a tw*t!
Truth Hurts !
What that you're a tw*t?

Blimey at least he admits it.

[coach ET]

smudger, if someone tells you" give me this week, i have been
busy with the first team, i will get all the facts and get back to you" and he doesn't: not face to face, not even a phone
call, a letter from sue, nothing.
how would you describe someone like him?
i had a lot of time for steve, i worked my socks off for the club
and for him ( results speak for themselves) in four seasons but my esteem for him as a man has gone down because of
the way he acted.
well, actually he didnt want to get involved because the argument was with one of his hangers-on: you can fall out
with friends but a phone call was all it was required.
two years ago he was in the office complaining to me about
one of the coaches leaving without informing him and what he
does? he does the same to one of his most loyal coaches!
definitely a lack of style, embarassing for him and his gang( i had the bag with the footballs,training gear, nobody from the
club had the guts to ask it back so i had to drop it with terry
baker, the youth physio) it says it all!!
anyway the team i left went on a run of 12 defeats out of twelve matches , with players hating so much the muppett that is coaching them that they fake injuries or make
excuses not to go.
going back to tilly, you will certainly understand now why i got some doubts about him. he wants the job but deep inside
he knows he is not ready yet: i am not quite sure if the chairman likes him but yeeah give him the job but dont throw him off the pedestal if things go wrong!





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[The General]

Im confused ...

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[footymad13]

Interesting !

God it gets more like Quincy on ere everyday !

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P.S Its all Napsters fault !

[Smudger]

Shut up FM.

Interesting story Coach ET. I agree with you on one thing, that Tilly probably knows he isn't ready yet. Time to get a more experienced man in. Someone like David Webb that commands a lot of respect.

I think Tilly's time will come, but it's not yet.

[The General]

Tilly wont be appointed the manager this time round. Its becoming more and more obvious ... day by day!!

Kev

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[footymad13]

Quote[/b] (The General @ Mar. 10 2004,11:20)]Tilly wont be appointed the manager this time round. Its becoming more and more obvious ... day by day!!

Kev

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week by week !

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[coach ET]

fm, dont be pessimistic, if we stay up and keep playing like we
are playing now i dont see why he should not get the job?
at this level you leave and die by results. at the moment they
are ok, are they?
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[Welsh_Shrimperz]

Coach ET - what are you doing now - Iam confused about you posting the message on this board - do you used to coach the Southend Utd first team?

Tilson is my hero, he alway be - a local lad who support SUFC like us. I thought he done well turning Southend from a bag of cr*p into a team that give us hope for the future after 8 years of rubbish.

Atkin for Southend? forget it as he is intersting in buying Gordan from Cardiff in summer - mean he look likely to stay with Poxford.

[coach ET]

dont get confused welsh shrimperz! i want tilly to get the job
so somewhere there will be a gun loaded with a bullet right
for him. this time he wont hide behind the board and will end up like the other " two wise men". one thing for sure " as a manager sooner or later you will get the sack" otherwise he will end up like banksy, doing every job at the club.
come on, steve, go on the rollercoaster or merry go round!
the choice is yours!


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[Hawkwell Shrimper]

Coach ET what position did you hold at the club?

[1TeaminSX]

Quote[/b] (Hawkwell Shrimper @ Mar. 11 2004,17:33)]Coach ET what position did you hold at the club?
..and so the mystery continues.....

Could it be Coach ET is REALLY a bitter ex-1st team coach at "The Hall", trying to make amends for failure in his own twisted way

Could it be Coach ET is a lying bar steward & the nearest he has ever got to being a coach is by being employed by Supremes..

or more likely could it be Coach ET is a carved wooden bookend in the shape of a woodpecker...?

Who knows but tune in for the next thrilling installment,
f*ck knows where, f*ck knows when

By the way ET would you answer me some questions please smudger?

1)ET- are they ur initials?

2) if u were here for 4 years as u say,when exactly did u leave the club & under what circumstances?

3)Did u coach the 1st team,reserves ,youth academy or the Blue Belles?

4)Why are u so goddamn bitter?

5)Why do u hate Tilly so much, just because he didnt keep his word on something?

[coach ET]

here it comes, 1teaminsx! i am so thrilled at the news that
tilly got the job till the end of the season!!
i hope he will move us another three positions up the table and
win the thingymabob cup for us so he will be rewarded with a
longer contract.definitely are great news: it is the first time in
his life that he will have sole responsibility for something!
i hope he will get the same fair treatment that his predecessors have had in the past( the sack it is obvious).
unless we start losing more games now, i will have to wait for
the start of next season( new stadium permitting) but, at the
moment i am like the chinese on the edge of the river waiting
for my enemy dead body,eh eh.
after nicking all my session planners, now that i am not there
anymore i can see he is using them! it is about time that his
teams start playing at different tempo, defend better and are
more comfortable in possession.
i would have been surprised if after having seen the best coach sufc has ever had he wouldnt have learnt anything???

[1TeaminSX]

Quote[/b] (coach ET @ Mar. 11 2004,21:48)]here it comes, 1teaminsx! *i am so thrilled at the news that
tilly got the job till the end of the season!!
i hope he will move us another three positions up the table and
win the thingymabob cup for us so he will be rewarded with a
longer contract.definitely are great news: it is the first time in
his life that he will have sole responsibility *for something!
i hope he will get the same fair treatment that his predecessors have had in the past( the sack it is obvious).
unless we start losing more games now, i will have to wait for
the start of next season( new stadium permitting) but, at the
moment i am like the chinese on the edge of the river waiting
for my enemy dead body,eh eh.
after nicking all my session planners, now that i am not there
anymore i can see he is using them! it is about time that his
teams start playing at different tempo, defend better and are
more comfortable in possession.
i would have been surprised if after having seen the best coach sufc has ever had he wouldnt have learnt anything???
Well thanku for replying but you didnt really answer any of my questions.

Are you currently employed with any other club as a coach, manager etc?

More importantly will u be at the LDV Final?

Forgive me for saying so but by everything u say there is actually no PROOF that u had/have anything to do wth SUFC in a coaching capacity.

Anything you could say to persuade us otherwise???

[coach ET]

why do you know know who i am?
i will answer your questions one at the time:1) yes , i am
2) i am just trying to book online, i have got a place reserved
on one of the coaches but i am so undecided between the love for the club and the bitterness towards tilly. could you help me please?
3) go to the main reception at the club and get hold of one
of the blues commercial opportunities leaflets: i am at page
thirty-one, picture in the middle.
contrary to steve , i have got nothing to be ashamed of, i look
people in the face and i walk with my head held high because
people respect me for being a good coach and more important
an honest man. http://www.shrimperzone.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif

[Hawkwell Shrimper]

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[Hawkwell Shrimper]

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[coach ET]

hawkell shrimper, clear off! you are annoying me !! i am answering to 1teaminsx, do me a favour, young boy, switch
channel ok.
by the way, what's your name?

[Smudger]

Quote[/b] (1TeaminSX @ Mar. 11 2004,21:17)]By the way ET would you answer me some questions please smudger?
Eh? Leave me out of this one pal....

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[Hawkwell Shrimper]

Quote[/b] (coach ET @ Mar. 12 2004,11:17)]hawkell shrimper, clear off! you are annoying me !! i am answering to 1teaminsx, do me a favour, young boy, switch
channel ok.
by the way, what's your name?
Maybe i am being annoying! Just thought i would join in as i am so bored sitting here at work!

[Matt the Shrimp]

Quote[/b] (coach ET @ Mar. 11 2004,22:26)]go to the main reception at the club and get hold of one
of the blues commercial opportunities leaflets: i am at page
thirty-one, picture in the middle.
So, has anyone yet worked out who Coach ET is, since he has now given us instructions to find out who he is?

That said, since he has given us those instructions, it seems to me that "the lady doth protest too much" by refusing to reveal outright his identity...

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Matt

[Hawkwell Shrimper]

Its like Sherlock Holmes! http://www.shrimperzone.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif

[coach ET]

i want to apologize to you lads, i didnt want to be rude.
anyway, who i am is not really important. what is important is that there is always another side of the coin, or of the story
in anyone of us.
people that you trust or idolize, one day they could reveal like
the complete opposite of what you thought.
i have learned this on my skin and now if dont mind i want get
on with my life: my wife has got twins on the way, one of the
teams i coach was in the evening echo yesterday celebrating
a great win on sunday( green and yellow colours) my only
sixth county cup final in 11 years and i want have a rest now
because i have got to train them tonight!
i'll catch you up later and i might see you at the cup final.
up the blues http://www.shrimperzone.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

[Matt the Shrimp]

Quote[/b] (coach ET @ Mar. 12 2004,13:40)]i want get on with my life: my wife has got twins on the way, one of the teams i coach was in the evening echo yesterday celebrating a great win on sunday( green and yellow colours) my only sixth county cup final in 11 years
Congratulations - you must be proud, and have every right to be - both because of your wife & because of your cup win.

However, before we move on... come on, tell us who you are. I haven't got last night's Echo, nor do I have the other brochure - so please, tell us... otherwise how can we move on?!

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Matt

[coach ET]

why do you want to know it? i gave you enough clues:you should have come up with the name already, innit? http://www.shrimperzone.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif

[Napster]

Quote[/b] (coach ET @ Mar. 12 2004,16:27)]why do you want to know it? i gave you enough clues:you should have come up with the name already, innit? http://www.shrimperzone.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif
Elliot Gould?

[coach ET]

who?http://www.shrimperzone.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif http://www.shrimperzone.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[coach ET]

come on,anyone that follows the shrimpers youths? http://www.shrimperzone.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif

[The General]

Eddie someone http://www.shrimperzone.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

[1TeaminSX]

Quote[/b] (coach ET @ Mar. 12 2004,13:40)]i want to apologize to you lads, i didnt want to be rude.
anyway, who i am is not really important. what is important is that there is always another side of the coin, or of the story
in anyone of us.
people that you trust or idolize, one day they could reveal like
the complete opposite of what you thought.
i have learned this on my skin and now if dont mind i want get
on with my life: my wife has got twins on the way, one of the
teams i coach was in the evening echo yesterday celebrating
a great win on sunday( green and yellow colours) my only
sixth county cup final in 11 years and i want have a rest now
because i have got to train them tonight!
i'll catch you up later and i might see you at the cup final.
up the blues *http://www.shrimperzone.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif
So you coach Ekco Whitecaps then Coach ET?

Well done on that victory. 6 finals in 11 yrs is no mean feat at any level of the game.

Been musing thru some of my old Blues programmes.

Are you Ricky Duncan by any chance?

[McScriven]

Right I've seen the pic in the brochure and you are a tin pot under 13's manager or something. The coaches at SUFC in the Centreof Excellence are little more than Sunday League mangers who like to think they are something.

They do the work for free trying to live out a dream that they were never good enough to make it as players or real managers.

So you seem to have a personal vendetta with Tilly, probably because he worked out what you were and got shot.

Now tell us the reasons of your hate or don't say anything.

[Matt the Shrimp]

Ouch. Scriven pulling no punches there...

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Matt

[coach ET]

no,ricky is a friend of mine: he is at cambridge utd as youth team coach. they reached the fifth round of the fa youth cup
and got rewarded with another two years contract.
they are definitely, with brighton, the best centre of excellence in the south of england but a bit too far.
he didnt do too well, results wise, with us but surely a nice
guy and an honest hard worker coach.
et are my initials but i am not fussy like a lot of coaches( or charlatans) at this level, never worn something with my initials,dont need to!!
ask that big con of mr " dave thompson" or tommo who i am?
i owe him the fact i am not at the club anymore!
do you know him? he is someone that pretend to be a centre
of excellence coordinator ( they put him in the office because
as dominic jorfa once said, he couldnt even coach his dog. his part-time job title is " club photocopier" someone that saw me as a threat and tripped me up!
when the opportunity arises i'll repay him his kindness!
last sunday, i believe he sent one of his friends from "the crooks & crooks co." someone very well known between the sufc supporters called "t. crook. h." to spoil the party.
to some extent he did( didnt flag a blatant offside with 20secs
to go to take the game to extratime) but he went home with
his tail between his legs, i presume somewhere in shoeburyness! anyway, keep searching i'm giving you a lot of clues.

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[Hawkwell Shrimper]

A boy that i know (James White a very good player but left for Great Wakering) played for i think U'15/16 i don't know. Do you know him?

[1TeaminSX]

Quote[/b] (coach ET @ Mar. 12 2004,18:58)]no,ricky is a friend of mine: he is at cambridge utd as youth team coach. they reached the fifth round of the fa youth cup
and got rewarded with another two years contract.
they are definitely, with brighton, the best centre of excellence in the south of england but a bit too far.
he didnt do too well, results wise, with us but surely a nice
guy and an honest hard worker coach.
et are my initials but i am not fussy like a lot of coaches( or charlatans) at this level, never worn something with my initials,dont need to!!
ask that big con of mr " dave thompson" or tommo *who i am?
i owe him the fact i am not at the club anymore!
do you know him? he is someone that pretend to be a centre
of excellence coordinator ( they put him in the office because
as dominic jorfa once * * *said, * * *he couldnt even coach his dog. his part-time job title is " club photocopier" *someone that saw me as a threat and tripped me up!
when the opportunity arises i'll repay him his kindness!
last sunday, i believe he sent one of his friends *from "the crooks & crooks co." *someone very well known * * *between the sufc supporters called "t. crook. h." to spoil the party.
to some extent he did( didnt flag a blatant offside with 20secs
to go to take the game to extratime) but he went home with
his tail between his legs, i presume somewhere in shoeburyness! anyway, keep searching i'm giving you a lot of clues.

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I won't be beaten on this one I tell you
Bit busy 2nite, on the lash but give me time.

I'm like the mounties, I always get my man. http://www.shrimperzone.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

[shrimper87]

coach et
i used to play for southend u13+u14 and I think I know who you are???

[1TeaminSX]

Quote[/b] (shrimper87 @ Mar. 12 2004,19:46)]coach et
* * * i used to play for southend u13+u14 and I think I know who you are???
Go on, go on!!!

I'm wetting meself with excitement over this one http://www.shrimperzone.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/unclesam.gif

[Hawkwell Shrimper]

Quote[/b] (shrimper87 @ Mar. 12 2004,19:46)]coach et
* * * i used to play for southend u13+u14 and I think I know who you are???
Do you know James White?

[shrimper87]

im not gonna mention any names because I am not 100% sure yet.
Yes i do know james white he is a good friend of mine.

[1TeaminSX]

Do you work with Ken Gilbey & Malcolm Cooper Coach ET?

[Hawkwell Shrimper]

Quote[/b] (shrimper87 @ Mar. 12 2004,19:51)]im not gonna mention any names because I am not 100% sure yet.
Fair Enough.

[Hawkwell Shrimper]

Quote[/b] (1TeaminSX @ Mar. 12 2004,19:57)]Do you work with Ken Gilbey & Malcolm Cooper Coach ET?
Who are they 1TeaminSX?

[Smudger]

Is it....Dave Scriven?

[coach ET]

yes, i do. he is one of the boys in the picture: he left because
that big head of the u'17 coach only wants players that get
send off every match. he is a nice lad and tilly really liked him.
that george young was a manager at witham and he is leaving
to manage bowers utd( i heard).
going back to "macca", bloody hell you are spot on!!!
one of the things i said to tilly was about the way we were running the centre ( ehi ron if you are there knock,knock) and he didnt like the truth! but i could see in his eyes the only thing
he was concerned was getting the first team job and he just
used the youth as a mean to get there.
macca which picture did you look at? it is last year u'15s and
that tin pot you said is a 6.4 and 18 stones irascible latin man
with a lot of connections with the north-american and sicilian
mafia, so behive son!!!
talking about tilly, the last time we had a player coming through was with peter trevivian( macca,l.johnson) since then
nought( kightly is a thfc reject).
going back to centre of excellence coaches, you're right!
they get 10 pounds a session and a lot of them are just babysitting: your friend basil brush, was doing that at leyton
borient and one of the boys in that picture told me how sheet
he was( he hasnt improved since then, i can assure you).
think about macca, i get four times the amount of money i was
at southend and on sunday i can watch my son play without
spending 5-6 hours on a coach for a football match.
the only thing i miss is putting 7goals past colu, 6 past cufc,
5 past gillingham, 3 past whfc,2 past thfc! http://www.shrimperzone.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif about sunday league managers, give me your address, i will send you my cv,that will shut you up, that's for sure! http://www.shrimperzone.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

[McScriven]

Hmm if I could understand half of what you said (obviously your mother let you spend too much time honing your football manager skills so you could be the next Alex Fergusson instead of making you go to school) then I'm sure it is whitty and full of answers.

From what I can gather you're threating me with some columbian drug lord, you think Kightly is a Spurs reject, hmm I'd settle for a few more Premiership cast offs in our youth set-up.

Next up you are of such a fantastic managerial quality that you can pass judgement on a professional despite your current creditionials being more than a Sunday League manager of a club that has always been over rated in Essex (certainly was in my day) and had more to do with how much money your parents had in their wallet as apposed to how good a footballer you were.

I tell you what I bet Tilly is ****ing himself, laughing that is!

[McScriven]

From a little research your name is Enrico and you are Italian?

[Hawkwell Shrimper]

Quote[/b] (McScriven @ Mar. 12 2004,20:49)]From a little research your name is Enrico and you are Italian?
How did you find that out?

[McScriven]

Quote[/b] (Hawkwell Shrimper @ Mar. 12 2004,21:14)]
Quote[/b] (McScriven @ Mar. 12 2004,20:49)]From a little research your name is Enrico and you are Italian?
How did you find that out?
It's amazing what you can do with someone's email address and the Internet!

[Hawkwell Shrimper]

Quote[/b] (McScriven @ Mar. 12 2004,21:17)]
Quote[/b] (Hawkwell Shrimper @ Mar. 12 2004,21:14)]
Quote[/b] (McScriven @ Mar. 12 2004,20:49)]From a little research your name is Enrico and you are Italian?
How did you find that out?
It's amazing what you can do with someone's email address and the Internet!
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[coach ET]

macca, from my little research, i found out you played for a sheet team that, with my ekco boys wallopped 16-0 or something like that? is it true? http://www.shrimperzone.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif

[coach ET]

i tell who you are macca? one of the cr*p southend manor players that we knock out in the semifinal of the county cup
at u'15.
it is amazing how you can find out about former players that
have given up? who did you skin? daniel webb??
it cannot be, it was centre bench! http://www.shrimperzone.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

[coach ET]

hey macca, what it means "creditionials"? is it a new word?
you mean, credentials? i told you to go to school!!
you keept playing football! definitely, not your favourite sport!
a postman is on his way to deliver you an endless list of the
whitecaps thropies, you "overrated player" with two r's, macca!!! http://www.shrimperzone.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif http://www.shrimperzone.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif

[McScriven]

Nope I played against Ecko once I think maybe twice and on both occasions we won.

[McScriven]

Quote[/b] (coach ET @ Mar. 12 2004,22:08)]hey macca, what it means "creditionials"? is it a new word?
you mean, credentials? i told you to go to school!!
you keept playing football! definitely, not your favourite sport!
a postman is on his way to deliver you an endless list of the
whitecaps thropies, you "overrated *player" with two r's, macca!!! http://www.shrimperzone.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif *http://www.shrimperzone.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif
More typing mistakes than anything.

Of course if you came out and told us what Tilly actually did then we might think you have something but while you continue to talk gibberish we will never know.

[coach ET]

macca you are a disaster!am i " threating you" or threatening??? are you "apposed? or "opposed???
one thing for sure, "the southend adult community college"
can offer you a place! http://www.shrimperzone.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif

[McScriven]

If it's a spelling lesson you are here for let me pick up on a few of your gems:

sheet = sh*t?
semifinal = semi final?
bench = back?
thropies = trophies?
keept = kept?

To name just a few. So are you going to answer the question or continue to be pedantic?

[coach ET]

if you look at previous replies, you may find out!
read son,read it !!! don't use the word "hate". it's a big one.
simply,i have got the hump with him!!!
as i previously said, you as a young supporter, have an opinion
about him.
nothing wrong with that!! i have got mine and that comes from
personal experience i had with him as a person.
that's all! http://www.shrimperzone.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

[McScriven]

A supporter with some 12-13 years of watching Southend behind them and I've also worked with Tilson and haven't seen anything but a thoroughly nice chap.

Perhaps if you eluded a bit more of what he has done to upset you we could understand? There's nothing worse than someone who slags someone off for no reason (we know you have your reasons but if you are going to voice them you should back these up with proof to us), especially in such a public domain like this.

[coach ET]

you must have been watching sufc before you could even walk! joking aside, if you look at pages 5 and 8 it is well explained what happened. i dont want repeat myself, it would be nice if steve could come out and give his version. i doubt
he will! anyway, you can ask any u'13s parents or boys what
went on with enrico and then you will know the truth.
i have been back a few times at boots & laces, and i could look everyone in the eyes, i cannot say the same about your mate tilly and mr tommo, they sneaked away!! http://www.shrimperzone.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[McScriven]

I think we will have to agree to disagree on this topic and finally put this to bed.

[coach ET]

yeah, time to go to bed, mate. i get up at five tomorrow!
nice to talk to you. http://www.shrimperzone.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

[XXL16]

As I know Rob Newman's name was disappeared in the Gorleston (Ridgeons League) website, did he give up playing or not? I didn't hope so, we will miss him on the football field!!!

[coach ET]

what do you think, mate? unless he wants to do a STANLEY
MATTHEWS one!!! he is 41 in december http://www.shrimperzone.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif

[Hawkwell Shrimper]

Quote[/b] (McScriven @ Mar. 12 2004,22:51)]Tilson and haven't seen anything but a thoroughly nice chap
... because he is a nice chap i agree, Stevie Tilson's Barmy Army!

[1TeaminSX]

Quote[/b] (Hawkwell Shrimper @ Mar. 13 2004,18:07)]
Quote[/b] (McScriven @ Mar. 12 2004,22:51)]Tilson and haven't seen anything but a thoroughly nice chap
... because he is a nice chap i agree, Stevie Tilson's Barmy Army!
I agree, he was even putting out the coloured discs for our chaps to run round b4 the game, then he collected them again after!!

What a thoroughly decent bloke!

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[XXL16]

Quote[/b] (coach ET @ Mar. 13 2004,09:02)]what do you think, mate? unless he wants to do a STANLEY
MATTHEWS one!!! *he is 41 in december http://www.shrimperzone.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif
Honestly Big Rob still had the heart to play football, even he was reached 40 or 50 I think! As I know Rob will play in Norwich City All-stars on Easter Sunday, April 11, against Gorleston FC!!! Other squads member include: Jeremy Goss, Robert Fleck, Tony Spearing, Ruel Fox, Mike Milligan, Peter Mendham, Bryan Gunn, Keith Robson, Neil Adams and Greg Shepherd.

[steveh1510]

Yawn.

[Matt the Shrimp]

Did anyone actually come up with ET's name? *I was going to phone home...



...but I don't think they'll know either.

*cue tumbleweed*

I'll get me coat.

Coach ET... I have to say, your messages make for a pretty unedifying read... rather than standing up and saying who you are and what precisely your grievance with Tilly is, you look like a man with sour grapes taking pot-shots behind the anonymity of a computer.

It's all a bit tawdry, if you ask me.

Irrespective of your particular beef with Tilly, I would be thoroughly intrigued to see you explain how come:

*we've got to our first final in 98 years

*our record under Tilly is * * * *P25 W11 D7 L7 whilst
*our record under Wignall was P23 W6 *D3 L14

*Tilly has indisputably taken us away from the foot of the table

*Dudfield, someone from totally outside the club (and thus with no bias or preconceptions) chose to sign for us - and did so not only on the expressly stated desire of Tilly & Brush having signed up as permanent managers first, but also in preference to working with a previous manager (Gary Johnson) who had "found" Dudfield as a 17 yr-old whilst working for Kettering.

All of these seem to me to be unarguable facts. *Bearing these in mind, what exactly is your problem in Tilly, and why is his appointment something you have trouble with (or, at least, only support because that means in your warped mind that 18 months down the road he'll be sacked and you'll have the last laugh)?

I am intrigued to find out, I really am. *Starting with your name, cyber-warrior.

Matt

[steveh1510]

Quote[/b] (Matt the Shrimp @ Mar. 15 2004,14:24)]Did anyone actually come up with ET's name? *
Matt,

Dave knows his name, he is an ex under13's coach who obviously thinks that he is more than just a Sunday league coach and is going to be the next England manager.

Sounds very bitter doesn't he?

[Matt the Shrimp]

Harsh Steve... but, unless he climbs out from behind his computer and explains why he's so angry, undeniably fair.

Matt

[steveh1510]

Quote[/b] (Matt the Shrimp @ Mar. 15 2004,14:32)]Harsh Steve... but, unless he climbs out from behind his computer and explains why he's so angry, undeniably fair.

Matt
Precisely. From what I can see he has a personal vendetta against Steve Tilson, a man of whom I have never heard anyone speak a bad word. http://www.shrimperzone.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif

[coach ET]

MATT, i already said who i am so i am not hiding behind the anonymity of a computer: if i really wanted to hide my identity
i could have done it. for example, you know who i am now but
i dont know who you are so this should be enough to show you that i am not afraid to speak out my mind, like i always done in my life.
none of your mates has revealed who they are neither you.so
WHO IS HIDING BEHIND A COMPUTER?
going back to tilly's record, the only thing i know we moved
from 22nd to 19th in the table, if that is ok for you, fair enough.
you are using words like "vendetta" an italian word, you dont even know what it means! i am talking about football not about shooting people: getting my back on tilly will be football wise.
going back to this " sunday league managers story" i can tell you i coached senior sides with excellent results and i dont have to add anything else: i let the facts speak louder than the words and the players i coached over the years they will speak on my behalf, and if you want discuss about football
you are more than welcome.end of the story.

[Matt the Shrimp]

Coach ET - I have no idea who you are. So far as I am concerned, you are still hiding behind a computer.

As for me, since:

(a) I'm claiming to have neither loads of inside knowledge nor a personal grudge against the Southend Manager; and

(b) I'm not claiming to be an individual with fantastic coaching credentials

then I fail to see how my identity or qualifications are pertinent to this debate.

I don't consider that you have revealed your identity, because you've made sideways references to documents I have not seen and football teams (such as Ecko Whitecaps) of which I have no knowledge.

Since you consider, however, that the revealing of my identity is important to you, I'm happy to tell you that my name is Matt Walker, I'm an Employed Barrister, I live in Greenwich and I've supported Southend from the terraces since April 1991.

Since I've now revealed my identity - because I have nothing to hide - I'd be grateful if you did me the courtesy of telling us:

*who you are; and
*why you have a grudge against Steve Tilson.

As for your selective representing of Tilly's stats, I see you fail to note (for example) that we have moved from one point above the relegation spots to 9 points above the spots; and that we would be higher were it not for the fact that Wignall left the team with a goal difference of -17.

But that's OK, you can continue to represent the facts as you choose. The Win/Loss record, the increased gate, the massive queue outside the club shop and our presence in the LDV Final speak far more eloquently of Tilson's successes than your bitter snipings.

Anche non era io che ho usato la parola "vendetta"; capisco il senso della parola.

Please check your facts before you make accusations; as someone who has trained as a barrister, it is something I always do scrupulously, I assure you.

If you reveal your identity (by telling us your name) and explain to us precisely what your grievance is with Tilson and how he is supposed to have wronged you, then we may be in a position to reassess our opinions of him in light of his treatment of you.

However, since you have retained your anonimity by referring to documents we have not seen, and since you have failed to give any details of your grievance, then we are not in a position to consider your story at all.

So, as John Major would have said: put up, or shut up. Time for you to come clean and explain yourself, or else it really will be the end of the story - certainly the last time I entertain your baseless meanderings.

We all look forward to hearing from you.

Matt

[Beefy]

Quote[/b] (Matt the Shrimp @ Mar. 15 2004,19:17)]We all look forward to hearing from you.

Matt
Speak for yourself!

[coach ET]

i am coming BEEFY and mr MATT WALKER.( i was busy at the
meeting with my solicitor).
he advised me to choose carefully my words in presence of such an eminent person like BARRISTER MR WALKER representing mr STEVE TILSON of wickford.It is corrett MATT
or mr walker,how do you want be called?
i can really see how your identity or qualifications are " pertinent" to this debate: they really are!
now you spend a lot of your precious time on this web- site
and you are telling me after 110 replies and 2000 views that
you still dont know who i am, what my problem with steve is
etc,etc?
two things:1) it is evident that you dont pay enough attention
or 2) you are trying to squeeze as much evidence or proofs
to support your claim as steve's barrister!
if you look back in this " rob newman thread" you would notice
that at pages 5,6 and 9 there is my name, who i am, and why
i have something against steve.
you said you are very scrupulous and always check your facts.
well, it seems like you forgot this time,but i hardly believe it!
going back to football, the average attendances are just above 4000 mark, more or less than last year, 4, teams behind us have got games in hand, we have got rochdale, carlisle and huddersfield away,darlington,hull,yeovil and torquay at home with ,as you mention, a bad goal difference.
definitely, with carlisle capable of winning 7of their 11 remaining matches, we are not out of the woods yet!!
regarding the thingymabob cup final, well, go and enjoy it,the
only thing this season will be remembered for.
otherwise, it will be the 5th consecutive season in this bottom
basement league, definitely not a record to be proud of!

[TheLittleGazette]

Quote[/b] (XXL16 @ Mar. 13 2004,08:49)]As I know Rob Newman's name was disappeared in the Gorleston (Ridgeons League) website, did he give up playing or not? I didn't hope so, we will miss him on the football field!!!
David, Rob was there at the start of the season, but havi9ng spoken to him in the Far Post Bar at Roots Hall (he regularly comes back despite claiming he's still bitter) a while back, he said he gave up playing to concentrate on scouting for West Ham.

[Matt the Shrimp]

Quote[/b] (coach *ET @ Mar. 16 2004,00:16)]he advised me to choose carefully my words in presence of such an eminent person like BARRISTER MR WALKER representing mr STEVE TILSON of wickford.It is corrett MATT or mr walker,how do you want be called?
No, I am not representing Tilly. *I specialise in construction & engineering law, not employment law. *As any of the members of this site who know me would tell you, I am in no way connected with the club, other than the fact that I am a fan.



Quote[/b] (coach *ET @ Mar. 16 2004,00:16)]if you look back in this " rob newman thread" you would notice that at pages 5,6 and 9 there is my name, who i am, and why i have something against steve.
I'm afraid it is you who has failed to check his facts. *Either that, or we have been looking at different screens. *

You have never stated, in terms, "my name is Enrico T****, and my disagreement with Steve Tilson is as follows:"

If I am wrong about that, cut and paste the text showing where you have said that. *I asked you to give your name and the nature of your grievance, and you have failed to do so.

You have asked us to look at your posts. *So, here they are:

<span style='color:blue'>Page 3: I just dont like people that go with the tide and they are the first ones to crucify the main man when things go wrong.

You can have your opinion about Tilly and Brush, I will keep mine and that comes from working together with Steve. In my years in football I always put a man&#39;s word before everything: well, in his case his word is worth less than nothing.

He proved to me that, behind the appearance, there is a man that runs away from situations instead of facing up to them and that to me is enough not to get the manager&#39;s job.

Ask yourself why he hasnt got the job yet?</span>


Pausing there, Enrico, that&#39;s your first inaccuracy - he has got the job.

<span style='color:blue'>He is surrounded by people that will never be a threat to him but one thing for sure, what goes around comes round and one day he will get what he deserves.

Well I have got something outstanding with him and dont matter how long it will take I will settle it up one day, he can be assured about.</span>

= = = = = =

So, that was your first posting. *There is not a single specific allegation of what Tilson is supposed to have done to you (e.g. Tilly promised me a contract and then sacked me; Tilly backed my judgement on a player but then turned on me when that player failed); merely unspecified and bitter snipings.

<span style='color:blue'>Page 5: If someone tells you &quot;give me this week, i have been busy with the first team, i will get all the facts and get back to you&quot; and he doesn&#39;t: not face to face, not even a phone call, a letter from sue, nothing. how would you describe someone like him?

i had a lot of time for steve, i worked my socks off for the club and for him (results speak for themselves) in four seasons but my esteem for him as a man has gone down because of the way he acted.</span>


Pausing again. *Which team? *What results? *Which seasons? *What facts was Tilly supposed to collate and then get back to you? *What was the incident to which those facts related? *Again, not a single fact has been mentioned there.


<span style='color:blue'>Well, actually he didnt want to get involved because the argument was with one of his hangers-on: you can fall out with friends but a phone call was all it was required.

two years ago he was in the office complaining to me about one of the coaches leaving without informing him and what he does? he does the same to one of his most loyal coaches&#33; definitely a lack of style, embarassing for him and his gang</span>


&quot;One of his hangers-on&quot;. *Who? *Who are the other hangers on? *Which coach had left but haden&#39;t informed him?

&quot;He does the same to one of his most loyal coaches&quot;. *The same what? *You&#39;ve just talked about a coach leaving and not informing Tilson - so &quot;the same&quot; must surely be that you left and didn&#39;t tell Tilson; that would be &quot;the same&quot;, wouldn&#39;t it?

<span style='color:blue'>(i had the bag with the footballs,training gear, nobody from the club had the guts to ask it back so i had to drop it with terry baker, the youth physio)</span>


This is the first actual fact you&#39;ve given us. *After you left the club in uncertain circumstances, the club forgot to ask you to return the bag with the footballs and training gear and so you had to drop it off with Terry Baker, the youth physio. *What exactly is your point here? *Since it would have been theft if you&#39;d kept hold of property that didn&#39;t belong to you, why did the club need to get in touch? *It was incumbent on you to give the equipment back to the club, wasn&#39;t it?


<span style='color:blue'>Page 6: i am so undecided between the love for the club and the bitterness towards tilly. could you help me please?

(As to your identity) Go to the main reception at the club and get hold of one of the blues commercial opportunities leaflets: i am at page thirty-one, picture in the middle.</span>


This is as close you have got to revealing your identity. *However, in my previous e-mail, I said:

<span style='color:red'>I don&#39;t consider that you have revealed your identity, because you&#39;ve made sideways references to documents I have not seen and football teams (such as Ecko Whitecaps) of which I have no knowledge.

Since I&#39;ve now revealed my identity - because I have nothing to hide - I&#39;d be grateful if you did me the courtesy of telling us:

*who you are; and
*why you have a grudge against Steve Tilson.</span>


As you can see, from the extracts of your posts above, you have failed to reveal either your name (which is not &quot;Mr. Page 31 of a Brochure&quot;, but is Enrico something) or your grievance with Tilly.

Finally, you told us to look at Page 9:

<span style='color:blue'>It is last year u&#39;15s ... [I am] 6.4 and 18 stones irascible latin man with a lot of connections with the north american and sicilian mafia</span>


Other than threatening us, you&#39;ve provided absolutely no details of who you are. *Other than, I suppose, the fact that McScriven has your e-mail address which perhaps should be passed to the police so that they can question you about your Mafia links.

= = = = = = =

In summary, since (as is plain from your posts above) you are unwilling to stand behind your claims by telling us who you are and what your grievance, the only conclusion you leave us with is this:

You are a bitter fantasist, to whom we should pay no attention.

I look forward to your specific allegations, or your silence.

Matt

[XXL16]

Quote[/b] (TheLittleGazette @ Mar. 16 2004,00:43)]
Quote[/b] (XXL16 @ Mar. 13 2004,08:49)]As I know Rob Newman&#39;s name was disappeared in the Gorleston (Ridgeons League) website, did he give up playing or not? I didn&#39;t hope so, we will miss him on the football field&#33;&#33;&#33;
David, Rob was there at the start of the season, but havi9ng spoken to him in the Far Post Bar at Roots Hall (he regularly comes back despite claiming he&#39;s still bitter) a while back, he said he gave up playing to concentrate on scouting for West Ham.
Hi TheLittleGazette, thanks for updating me as the ex-canaries website said he still played for the Gorleston, the Ridgeons League side. http://www.shrimperzone.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[coach ET]

here it comes, mr walker&#33;
i can really see by the way you talk, that you are really a proper &quot; barrister&quot; : you mention &quot;allegations&quot;, &quot;grievances&quot;,
give your name and nature of, and so on.
well, i am going answer all your questions,mr walker, in a detailed way because that&#39;s what you want to know and after
that if you like? i am going give you tilly&#39;s mobile number and names and phone numbers of all the people involved&#33;
happy about?
my name is enrico tiritera, i came to live in this country 11 years ago in 1993,come from rome, i am a postman at the southend-on-sea sorting office and till october 2003 i worked
at sufc centre of excellence as a coach. i was asked by mr
steve tilson in the spring of 2000, to work for sufc, never applied for it. my previous clubs are concord rangers, ekco whitecaps, great wakering rovers, and romford.
during my staying with sufc, i coached the u&#39;10s(2000-2001)
u&#39;10s(2001-2002) u&#39;15s (2002-2003) u13s(2003-2004) achieving excellent results with every age group.
during the summer of 2003, i let steve know that i was trying
to open a soccer school to raise some money for the ivf treatment for my wife( she wanted another son and she has had two ectopic pregnancies in the last four years) and i asked which age group he wanted me to do for the coming season and also which training days so i could plan ahead with
the soccer school.
he was concerned about opening this soccer school because
that could clash with the one run by his assistant director
dave thompson: i said there were enough kids out there and also i wasnt sure about my commitment because my son was
going to play every sunday.
he got back to me and said i would have done the u&#39;13s with
a young lad called j. haylock( i brought him to the club even if
tilly wasnt sure about him) and i say the soccer school didnt go down well with mr thompson.
we started the season, with me doing all the coaching and james learning and dealing with the rest: everything was fine
the boys were happy,everybody was happy and they were
progressing very well. i also managed to raise enough money
for the ivf treatment and i stopped doing the soccer school to
be fully focused on the southend job.
one sunday morning, we played leyton orient at boots &amp; laces
and we draw 3-3. during the match, i tried to encourage the
boys that were not playing particurarly well, asking them to
pressurise the opposition in the last third, when i heard one of
their coaches saying to me &quot; what do you think is? the world cup?. surprised, i look at him and said&quot; i am only encouraging
the boys, i am not saying anything rude to you or your boys&quot;
i stopped there . i knew he was p***** off because our boys
got back from 3-1 down to 3-3 and i got more vocal than him,but he was all about giving instructions to the boys.
to cut it short, dave thompson came around and this fella went straight to him, complaining about &quot; god knows only what&quot;&#33; i heard tommo saying&quot; we will deal with it&quot; and i said&quot;what you are going deal what? before jumping to conclusion, get all the facts and ask people around what happened.
it was what he had been waiting for;get his revenge for the soccer school&#33; i wasnt happy at all and while i was still on the
pitch i phoned steve because i knew i could trust him ( every
time one of us had a problem we always spoke face to face and sort it out) and i asked to see him.
at the same time, james was slagging the players off, saying
them they were not good enough and he was looking to get
rid of a lot of them&#33;
i was furious, i called him in the little office and i said to him in
no uncertain terms that he was such an inexperienced coach,that he shouldnt slagged the players off, like that, and
the fact i recommended him to steve and tommo even if tilly
wasnt sure about him&#33; it was our first draw in 6 games( five wins).
i had it enough that i just said to myself: &quot; i am not coming back tomorrow for training&quot;.
instead, after phone calls from the parents , i decided to turn up, because i had done nothing to be ashamed of, to the embarrassment of tommo and j. haylock that were so embarrassed they went in the little office and didnt show their faces for all evening( i wont mention the comments from
the parents but they really enjoyed).
so we had a good training session with the boys and so the following wednesday with the guys still into hiding.
i went to see tilly the following monday at 9o&#39; clock, me and him in the home changing rooms at roots hall: we had a good
heart to heart conversation, i explained him what happened with the leyton orient coach and james.
he asked me if i wanted to carry on working with james: i said
no, because he lost the respect of the players.
steve said&quot; give me this week, enrico, i have been busy with the first team, i will get all the facts and i will get back to you&quot;
i said to him to ask someone &quot; neutral&quot; PAUL WILSON THE PHYSIO, he was there at the game with me and he would have told him the truth. we shook hands and i left with the belief that he would have sorted it out. as it stands now, HE
NEVER EVER GOT BACK TO ME, not even to say &quot; sorry enrico
i think you are wrong, i have got to let you go&quot; i would have accepted that&#33;
now, you heard the story, chaps. if you want tilly&#39;s number to
tell him what a nice man he is, i will give to you or otherwise all the boys numbers especially the boy&quot; LIAM MAC NAMARA&quot;
THAT HE WAS TOLD FROM MR THOMPSON AND little james TO
DECIDE WHERE HIS LOYALTY LIES. HE TOLD THEM TO GET STUFFED AND LEFT. HIS DAD HE IS THE NEXT DOOR NEIGHBOUR OF OUR CHAIRMAIN RON MARTIN.
now drawn your own conclusions&#33;

[McScriven]

How pathetic. As I said little more than Sunday League and you were acting like it&#39;s the Premiership. In business if someone comes to me and isn&#39;t happy with something I&#39;ll normally say &quot;I&#39;ll deal with it&quot; but 9 times out of 10 it&#39;s just to get rid of that person.

So he said he&#39;d contact you and he didn&#39;t? So what I&#39;m sure Tilly had bigger things to worry about than some little squabble in the Under 13&#39;s side.

[steveh1510]

One question, what was the date of this Leyton Orient u13&#39;s match?

[coach ET]

the 5th of october 2003

[steveh1510]

n/t

[Napster]

Quote[/b] (TheLittleGazette @ Mar. 16 2004,00:43)], but havi9ng spoken to him in the Far Post Bar at Roots Hall (he regularly comes back despite claiming he&#39;s still bitter)
That was the impression he gave me when I spoke to his agent. I am happy to be proved wrong if this is not the case.

[Matt the Shrimp]

Fair play to you, Enrico. You&#39;ve told your side of the story.

Scriv - unduly harsh, sir. Bordering on &quot;out of order&quot;.

We asked Enrico to tell his side of the story, and he has. The fact that this is at U13 level in Southend, as opposed to Premiership level, is wholly irrelevant.

Enrico considers that he has been wronged. Tilly promised that he would sort something out, and instead he appears not to have honoured that promise.

Enrico - can I ask:

*How long ago did this happen?
*Do you consider that the dust has settled sufficiently since these events, such that you might consider contacting Tilly again?

You say you had a strong relationship with him prior to these events. Is it possible that you could contact Tilly now (or, at least, after Sunday - I&#39;m sure that even you agree that Tilly could be forgiven for focussing on tonight&#39;s game and then Sunday&#39;s game this week) and set up a meeting with him, in order to hear his side of the story.

It seems that your main grievance lies not, in fact, with Tilly - who (let&#39;s not forget) may have been a somewhat powerless figure in a larger power-struggle within the club - but instead with Dave Thompson and/or James Haylock. I have to confess, I&#39;ve not understood how Liam MacNamarra and Ron Martin fit into the story.

Don&#39;t forget, just because someone has a title, it doesn&#39;t mean they have influence. John Main was Chairman a few years ago. It doesn&#39;t mean that he ran the club, or that he couldn&#39;t be got rid of.

Maybe Tilly is in a position where he would like to speak to you, but he is being stopped from helping you by others over whom he had no control. That doesn&#39;t make Tilly a bad person, Enrico.

Like you said, you had a strong relationship with him - perhaps you could see whether that is a relationship you could maybe re-establish.

Che pensai, Enrico?

Matt

[coach ET]

there was no investigation from tilly: he never phoned paul wilson the physio, never bothered. as that scum bag of macca
said &quot; he was too busy with the first team&quot;. introduced yourself to your friends , macca, we may find out that you worked with tilly on a builders site&#33; innit, darling? i am still trying
to assess out how long, your playing career lasted&#33;&#33;&#33;
&quot;nope, i played ekco, once, MAYBE twice&quot; you liar, pants on fire.
i start thinking that you dropped into the obscurity of division
zed football . go and join tillys channel&#33; http://www.shrimperzone.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif

[blue sky]

ET - you&#39;d do yourself more favours if you cut out the personal insults + childish comments about people and just stuck to your story...

Would you like salt+vinegar with that large chip on your shoulder? http://www.shrimperzone.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif

and in case your wondering, I have no connection with the club -just a fan, becoming increasingly bemused by your comments

[coach ET]

it happened mid october 2003: i wrote a letter to mr martin straight after but didnt have any reply from him.
liam macnamara is an u&#39;13 boy that signed for us when he was
10: tilly and ricky duncan saw him playing a game for us, at barnet, for the u&#39;11, towards the end of the season and decided to sign him.
last year, he wasn&#39;t getting on well with the u&#39;12s coach steve parmenter and was given with some other players a six
weeks trial for the following season. when i left, his trial period
was close to the end: the boys were losing game after game,
on the way back from an away match, on the coach, james
asked them why we were losing matches? nobody replied for
fear of reprisal, the only one that said something was liam.
he said&quot; they were losing matches because they didnt have
enrico anymore&quot;. he didnt like it and when he had his assessment
tommo said to him that he was a shame he said those things
because he did well in the game he saw and should have known where his loyalties lied.
anyway, his dad lives next door to ron martin.
look matt, i am very sceptical about seeing tilly. i am going to
get my police checks tomorrow morning at roots hall from sue
mc cumley( youth team secretary) but i am sure if he is there
he will avoid me.
i havent got this chip on my shoulders anymore,it is just that
people before judging someone, they must get all the facts together and then make their comments.

[steveh1510]

Quote[/b] (coach ET @ Mar. 16 2004,13:59)]there was no investigation from tilly: he never phoned paul wilson the physio, never bothered. as that scum bag of macca
said &quot; he was too busy with the first team&quot;. introduced yourself to your friends , macca, we may find out that you worked * with tilly on a builders site&#33; innit, darling? i am still trying
to assess out how long, your playing career lasted&#33;&#33;&#33;
&quot;nope, i played ekco, once, MAYBE twice&quot; you liar, pants on fire.
i start thinking that you dropped into the obscurity of division
zed football . go and join tillys channel&#33; http://www.shrimperzone.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif
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[McScriven]

Quote[/b] (steveh1510 @ Mar. 16 2004,14:47)]
Quote[/b] (coach *ET @ Mar. 16 2004,13:59)]there was no investigation from tilly: he never phoned paul wilson the physio, never bothered. as that scum bag of macca
said &quot; he was too busy with the first team&quot;. introduced yourself to your friends , macca, we may find out that you worked * with tilly on a builders site&#33; innit, darling? i am still trying
to assess out how long, your playing career lasted&#33;&#33;&#33;
&quot;nope, i played ekco, once, MAYBE twice&quot; you liar, pants on fire.
i start thinking that you dropped into the obscurity of division
zed football . go and join tillys channel&#33; http://www.shrimperzone.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif
What is so obscure about that? I&#39;ve played Ecko Whitecaps in kids football. They are merely a Sunday league side. *http://www.shrimperzone.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif
Indeed, I played football for about 10 years at various levels from Sunday League to the Essex Intermediate before tearing the cruciate ligaments in my knee which brought a premature end to what was mostly a hobby.

Playing against Ecko was certainly one of the smaller games.

[Matt the Shrimp]

Quote[/b] (coach *ET @ Mar. 16 2004,14:42)]look matt, i am very sceptical about seeing tilly. i am going to get my police checks tomorrow morning at roots hall from sue mc cumley( youth team secretary) but i am sure if he is there he will avoid me.
Obviously, Enrico, only you can decide the best way to resolve your situation with Tilly.

I can share one thing with you, though - and that&#39;s the benefit of my experience as a lawyer.

My job is purely concerned with the resolution of disputes. *People come to me - and pay handsomely for my advice - when they have allowed a personal difference, a difference of opinion or a disagreement - to escalate into a position of bitterness, where lawyers are involved, and where letters full of spite are sent back and forth.

I can tell you this much for free: there&#39;s only one winner when the parties&#39; positions have hardened so much that they&#39;ve started litigation...

...and that&#39;s the lawyers.

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As hard as it may seem, as angry as you may feel, if you&#39;re at the club tomorrow and Tilly is around, try to speak to him. *If you don&#39;t speak to him, then your ill-feelings about this will simply fester and grow. *And that cannot be a good thing - especially not for you.

But, ultimately, that&#39;s your decision. *I wish you - and your wife - every luck and joy, especially with your future coaching career.

All the best,

Matt

[coach ET]

thanks matt for your advice and for the wishes. i am already
feeling better because i have got this out of my sistem now,
i will try to speak to him but i am not the one that should do the first move. still undecided if to go to the final,i have got a
lot of friends going. we shall see. http://www.shrimperzone.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif

[Matt the Shrimp]

Quote[/b] (coach *ET @ Mar. 16 2004,16:04)]thanks matt for your advice and for the wishes. i am already
feeling better because i have got this out of my sistem now,
i will try to speak to him but i am not the one that should do the first move. still undecided if to go to the final,i have got a
lot of friends going. we shall see. *http://www.shrimperzone.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif
My pleasure, Enrico. *Hope you&#39;ll come to the final - this should be a time of celebration for us all.

My final thought: it takes the biggest man to offer the olive branch.

All the best,

Matt

[Andu]

Quote[/b] (Matt the Shrimp @ Mar. 16 2004,16:20)]
Quote[/b] (coach ET @ Mar. 16 2004,16:04)]thanks matt for your advice and for the wishes. i am already
feeling better because i have got this out of my sistem now,
i will try to speak to him but i am not the one that should do the first move. still undecided if to go to the final,i have got a
lot of friends going. we shall see. http://www.shrimperzone.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif
My pleasure, Enrico. Hope you&#39;ll come to the final - this should be a time of celebration for us all.

My final thought: it takes the biggest man to offer the olive branch.

All the best,

Matt
Matt, you realise your going to have nightmares about this thread for the rest of your life&#33;&#33;




You gave someone some advice and never charged them....

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[The General]

Well done Enrico.

Appreciate that. Didn&#39;t hurt, did it ...

Kev

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[Matt the Shrimp]

Quote[/b] (Andu @ Mar. 16 2004,20:56)]Matt, you realise your going to have nightmares about this thread for the rest of your life&#33;&#33;

You gave someone some advice and never charged them....
Au contraire, I am asked to do that far too often... &quot;Matt, you&#39;re a lawyer, can you tell me where I stand in relation to:-

* a botched holiday
* problems with a letting agent
* problems with my employer
* child protection law
* divorce law

etc. etc.&quot;

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Needless to say, I have to decline politely to advise most of the time - since all of these sorts of problems are outside my expertise.

If, however, the Col Ewe chairman came to me and said &quot;Matt, Layer Road is falling down - what do I do?&quot; - well, construction &amp; engineering problems are my speciality. *I&#39;d therefore be delighted to advise him... the appropriate fee being, ooh, Izzet &amp; Pinault heading to Roots Hall, I reckon.

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Matt

[McScriven]

Matt,

One thing that has always puzzled me is that surely before you specialise in the sort of field you have done you must surely have done basic lawyer that covers most areas to give you an above average knowledge of the subject. Or is this not how it works?

Dave

[Matt the Shrimp]

Quote[/b] (McScriven @ Mar. 17 2004,14:47)]you must surely have done basic lawyer
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Yes, Dave. *In a law degree, you have 7 compulsory subjects:

*Criminal Law
*Contract
*Tort
*Equity &amp; Trusts
*Property (Land)
*Constitutional
*European Community

(Well, EC wasn&#39;t compulsory when I did it, but it is now)

You then top that up with a variety of subjects that you choose - I did:

*Criminology
*Jurisprudence (Philosophy of Law)
*Advanced Constitutional (&#39;cos I loved it)
*Evidence
*Legal Reasoning &amp; Legal Services (an introduction, in my first year, to Jurisprudence and also to the structures of the English legal system)

Of course, you don&#39;t have to do a law degree to become a lawyer. *You can study any degree, and do a law conversion, in which you have to cover the seven compulsory subjects in a year.

Then you have to do your vocational training. *One year of that is spent in a specialist college - either Law School (for Solicitors) or Bar School (for Barristers).

Then its your professional training. *This is where it gets a bit more complicated...

Law School graduates go to firms of solicitors. *There they spend two years doing a training contract. *That training contract is split up into 4 seats, of which one must be litigation-based, and one must be transactional-based (corporate, finance, banking, M&amp;A). *The other two can be a variety of stuff - employment, intellectual property, etc. etc.

Bar School graduates go to a barristers&#39; chambers. *There they spend one year doing pupillage. *Whilst you will spend that time with between 2 and 4 different pupil-masters, it is increasingly common that you will spend your pupillage with only one set of chambers, or (if it is two different sets) two sets of chambers in the same field of law.

So, basically, as a barrister you are required to specialise a lot earlier - you make your specialisation choice at Bar School, basically, by the Chambers that you apply to for pupillage.

I applied to a construction &amp; engineering chambers because, as a teenager, I spent all my school holidays and 9 months of a year out between school &amp; uni working on construction projects with my Dad. *They picked me to do pupillage with them for that very same reason.

I could have done other areas of law - at times, I applied (and was offered) pupillage with Property &amp; Trusts chambers, and also with a Planning Law chambers.

But I&#39;ve stuck with construction &amp; engineering, and I have no complaints. *I like dealing with construction professionals - they&#39;re normal guys, no airs &amp; pretensions, who you can talk to on a level. *The law is, in itself, not too tricky - it&#39;s contract law and some tort law, which are two of my favoured areas.

So that&#39;s how I came to specialise in this area of law... and I&#39;ve been doing it ever since I started training in September 1997 - working as an Employed Barrister (at Canary Wharf and then at my current firm) ever since I left Chambers in late 1998.

I suppose I&#39;m also qualified to advise generally on contract law and tort law; but since construction &amp; engineering has a lot of specialisations and pecularities which are restricted to those industries, I tend to advise purely on those areas of law.

If you&#39;re still awake, I hope that that clears it up for you.

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[chadded]

Quote[/b] (Matt the Shrimp @ Mar. 17 2004,18:40)]Bar School
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[* ORM *]

Quote[/b] (Matt the Shrimp @ Mar. 17 2004,18:40)]
Quote[/b] (McScriven @ Mar. 17 2004,14:47)]you must surely have done basic lawyer
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Yes, Dave. *In a law degree, you have 7 compulsory subjects:

*Criminal Law
*Contract
*Tort
*Equity &amp; Trusts
*Property (Land)
*Constitutional
*European Community

(Well, EC wasn&#39;t compulsory when I did it, but it is now)

You then top that up with a variety of subjects that you choose - I did:

*Criminology
*Jurisprudence (Philosophy of Law)
*Advanced Constitutional (&#39;cos I loved it)
*Evidence
*Legal Reasoning &amp; Legal Services (an introduction, in my first year, to Jurisprudence and also to the structures of the English legal system)

Of course, you don&#39;t have to do a law degree to become a lawyer. *You can study any degree, and do a law conversion, in which you have to cover the seven compulsory subjects in a year.

Then you have to do your vocational training. *One year of that is spent in a specialist college - either Law School (for Solicitors) or Bar School (for Barristers).

Then its your professional training. *This is where it gets a bit more complicated...

Law School graduates go to firms of solicitors. *There they spend two years doing a training contract. *That training contract is split up into 4 seats, of which one must be litigation-based, and one must be transactional-based (corporate, finance, banking, M&amp;A). *The other two can be a variety of stuff - employment, intellectual property, etc. etc.

Bar School graduates go to a barristers&#39; chambers. *There they spend one year doing pupillage. *Whilst you will spend that time with between 2 and 4 different pupil-masters, it is increasingly common that you will spend your pupillage with only one set of chambers, or (if it is two different sets) two sets of chambers in the same field of law.

So, basically, as a barrister you are required to specialise a lot earlier - you make your specialisation choice at Bar School, basically, by the Chambers that you apply to for pupillage.

I applied to a construction &amp; engineering chambers because, as a teenager, I spent all my school holidays and 9 months of a year out between school &amp; uni working on construction projects with my Dad. *They picked me to do pupillage with them for that very same reason.

I could have done other areas of law - at times, I applied (and was offered) pupillage with Property &amp; Trusts chambers, and also with a Planning Law chambers.

But I&#39;ve stuck with construction &amp; engineering, and I have no complaints. *I like dealing with construction professionals - they&#39;re normal guys, no airs &amp; pretensions, who you can talk to on a level. *The law is, in itself, not too tricky - it&#39;s contract law and some tort law, which are two of my favoured areas.

So that&#39;s how I came to specialise in this area of law... and I&#39;ve been doing it ever since I started training in September 1997 - working as an Employed Barrister (at Canary Wharf and then at my current firm) ever since I left Chambers in late 1998.

I suppose I&#39;m also qualified to advise generally on contract law and tort law; but since construction &amp; engineering has a lot of specialisations and pecularities which are restricted to those industries, I tend to advise purely on those areas of law.

If you&#39;re still awake, I hope that that clears it up for you.

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zzzzzzzzzz.

Oh sorry has he finished yet ?

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Right 14 pages of thread that I can&#39;t be bothered to read. I need someone to summarise in no more than 50 words what the scoop is. http://www.shrimperzone.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif

[McScriven]

Former Southend Youth coach quit because Tilly said he&#39;d deal with a little dispute but never did.

[Matt the Shrimp]

Behave, Scriv. You have no idea whether the dispute was &quot;little&quot; or not. We also don&#39;t know whether Enrico quit or was asked to leave.

I think a fairer summary would be:

<span style='color:navy'>Former Southend Youth coach left the club under a cloud following a series of personality clashes which Tilly said he&#39;d deal with, but which for unexplained reasons - according to Enrico, relating to favouritism at the club - Tilly never resolved.</span>

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[steveh1510]

Quote[/b] (steveh1510 @ Mar. 15 2004,13:49)]Yawn.
I think I summed it up fairly well earlier in the thread.

[Matt the Shrimp]

Quote[/b] (chadded @ Mar. 17 2004,20:09)]
Quote[/b] (Matt the Shrimp @ Mar. 17 2004,18:40)]Bar School
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Well, more accurately &quot;The Inns of Court School of Law&quot;, but which was more commonly known as Bar School.

You&#39;d certainly enjoy one aspect of Bar School, Chadded (well, I did at any rate)... In order to pass my year at Bar School, one of the required elements is to attend 18 dinners.

Much wine &amp; port was consumed at said dinners, I can tell you... not a bad way to learn the Law at all, I reckon...

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[McScriven]

Quote[/b] (Matt the Shrimp @ Mar. 18 2004,09:43)]Behave, Scriv.
Why? That&#39;s the way I read it and my opinion is that it&#39;s pretty childish. Tilly had a point about the Soccer Schools as well.

Dave

P.S. Cheers for lawyer info.

[Matt the Shrimp]

Quote[/b] (McScriven @ Mar. 18 2004,09:49)]
Quote[/b] (Matt the Shrimp @ Mar. 18 2004,09:43)]Behave, Scriv.
Why? That&#39;s the way I read it and my opinion is that it&#39;s pretty childish.
Because you cannot know the full story, unless you have sat down and listened to all the parties - and, unless I&#39;m mistaken, I don&#39;t believe you have done that.

Drawing a conclusion on half the facts - whilst understandable (since it is something the British media, government etc. etc. does on a daily basis) - is almost certainly going to be a conclusion that is not only wrong but also one which is unfair.



Quote[/b] (McScriven @ Mar. 18 2004,09:49)]Tilly had a point about the Soccer Schools as well.
I have to say that I missed that point... what did Tilly say?



Quote[/b] (McScriven @ Mar. 18 2004,09:49)]Cheers for lawyer info.
No worries.

Matt

[McScriven]

Quote[/b] (Matt the Shrimp @ Mar. 18 2004,10:28)]
Quote[/b] (McScriven @ Mar. 18 2004,09:49)]
Quote[/b] (Matt the Shrimp @ Mar. 18 2004,09:43)]Behave, Scriv.
Why? That&#39;s the way I read it and my opinion is that it&#39;s pretty childish.
Because you cannot know the full story, unless you have sat down and listened to all the parties - and, unless I&#39;m mistaken, I don&#39;t believe you have done that.

Drawing a conclusion on half the facts - whilst understandable (since it is something the British media, government etc. etc. does on a daily basis) - is almost certainly going to be a conclusion that is not only wrong but also one which is unfair.



Quote[/b] (McScriven @ Mar. 18 2004,09:49)]Tilly had a point about the Soccer Schools as well.
I have to say that I missed that point... what did Tilly say?



Quote[/b] (McScriven @ Mar. 18 2004,09:49)]Cheers for lawyer info.
No worries.

Matt
Half the facts maybe but from what Enrico has said I find it hard to see what mind blowing thing Tilly has down wrong apart from make a promise he didn&#39;t keep, which hardly had any groundbreaking effect.

The Soccer school thing that Enrico talked about, that Tilly wasn&#39;t pleased with it as SUFC have their own schools. Enrico was after all a SUFC employee albeit not a paid one (or a token payment anyway). That said how were these schools being promoted? As being run by an SUFC coach? I don&#39;t know but I find it hard to believe anyone would go on a course that didn&#39;t have this kind of pull.

[Matt the Shrimp]

Quote[/b] (McScriven @ Mar. 18 2004,10:35)]Hard to see what Tilly has done wrong apart from make a promise he didn&#39;t keep, which hardly had any groundbreaking effect.
It did for Enrico, though - he left a club where he was being employed, with great success, as a coach. *It probably was earth-shattering for Enrico.



Quote[/b] (McScriven @ Mar. 18 2004,10:35)]Enrico was after all a SUFC employee albeit not a paid one. How were these schools being promoted? As being run by an SUFC coach? I don&#39;t know
Exaclty, Scriv. At the moment, it&#39;s speculation on your part. *Maybe Enrico&#39;s reputation within the U13 coaching community is such that he could trade on his name alone. *I don&#39;t know. *Nor do you.

Maybe Tilly and the club have the right to feel a bit miffed that Enrico set up a competing school. *But then maybe the club could have paid him a fee for his coaching (or not stood in the way of him setting up a school) when they knew that he needed to pay for his wife&#39;s IVF treatment. After all, in my book, not even the most cynical of employers can be forgiven for denying a man the right to try and have a family.

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[coach ET]

hi matt. just a few things to outline. 1) i didnt quit and i wasnt
asked to leave and that should be enough to describe steve ability to face up to situations. he could have asked his assistant thompson to act on his behalf or, sending a letter
through the youth secretary, if really he wasnt man enough
to tell me face to face that i was wrong.
2) the soccer school lasted a couple of months through the
summer and i was doing that solely because my wife asked
for: the worry was for mr thompson because he has his own
soccer school in competition with our soccer in the community
one( frankie banks) but between me and you is not what i liked to do because the majority of them it is good fun for the
boys but is no more no less than cheaper babysitting.
the way steve acted( washed his hands) was disappointing to
me, because we had an honest relashionship based on being
sincere with each other: thats why i feel like that macca&#33;
you have an opinion about him as a club supporter that i respect but after what went on, my opinion about him cannot be the same and i hope you will understand it.
now, out of curiosity, could you tell me for which club did you
play? because you said you played against daniel webb( that
should have been when you was 10 or 11)i have coached and
managed that age group at whitecaps and they always played
in the premier division so how he comes you played them once
or twice&#33; two things:1) you played for a lower division side(zed) or 2) you went to a pro-club when you was 11.3) you
played for a side in the thundermite league.
and if you was that good why you didnt join an eastern junior
alliance u&#39;16s at a local senior club instead of an intermediate
team? and also why did you give up so early? thats not an injury that can threatens your career&#33;
please, answer all questions, dont skip any of them, be a man
at least once in your life and forget that sunday manager( intermediate) that kicked you out of the squad&#33;&#33;&#33;

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[CS Cockles]

Quote[/b] (coach ET @ Mar. 15 2004,18:40)]MATT, i already *said who i am so i am not hiding behind the anonymity of a computer: if i really wanted to hide my identity
i could have done it. for example, you know who i am now but
i dont know who you are so this should be enough to show you that i am not afraid to speak out my mind, like i always done in my life.
none of your mates has revealed who they are neither you.so
WHO IS HIDING BEHIND A COMPUTER?
going back to tilly&#39;s record, the only thing i know we moved
from 22nd to 19th in the table, if that is *ok *for you, fair enough.
you are using words like &quot;vendetta&quot; an italian word, you dont even know *what it means&#33; i am talking about football not about shooting people: getting my back on tilly will be football wise.
going back to this &quot; sunday league managers story&quot; i can tell you i coached senior sides with excellent results and i dont have to add anything else: i let the facts speak louder than the words and the players i coached *over the years they will speak on my behalf, and if you want discuss about football
you are more than welcome.end of the story.
If your a coach, how the f**k are you on hear all ady??? I&#39;ve never seen a coach walking round a football pitch with a Lap Top, I think your more of a **** sucker than a football coach, mind you, you could be both

[Matt the Shrimp]

Hi Enrico,

I guess the Sunday League questions are directed at Scriv, since I haven&#39;t played Sunday League or Junior football locally.

As for the Tilly situation - I&#39;m satisfied that you &amp; I reached an understanding the day before yesterday. *So far as I am concerned, the only way that you &amp; Tilly can achieve inner peace with respect to this situation is by talking to each other.

And, like I said, it takes the bigger man to make the first move.

I can advise you no more than that, Enrico - but I wish you luck, whatever you may decide to do.

Matt

[steveh1510]

Quote[/b] (coach ET @ Mar. 18 2004,13:34)]hi matt. just a few things to outline. 1) i didnt quit and i wasnt
asked to leave and that should be enough to describe steve ability to face up to situations. he could have asked * * * * * his assistant thompson to act on his behalf or, sending a letter
through the youth secretary, if really he wasnt man enough
to tell me face to face that i was wrong.

now, out of curiosity, could you tell me for which club did you
play? because you said you played against daniel webb( that
should have been when you was 10 or 11)i have coached and
managed that age group at whitecaps and they always played
in the premier division so how he comes you played them once
or twice&#33; two things:1) you played for a lower division side(zed) or 2) *you went to a pro-club when you was 11.3) you
played for a side in the thundermite league.
and if you was that good why you didnt join an eastern junior
alliance u&#39;16s at a local senior club instead of an intermediate
team? and also why did you give up so early? thats not an injury that can threatens your career&#33;
please, answer all questions, dont skip any of them, be a man
at least once in your life and forget that sunday manager( intermediate) that kicked you out of the squad&#33;&#33;&#33;

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Points:

a. how did you leave then? DId you just not turn up the next week? Did you tell them you weren&#39;t turning up?

b. How do you know that Tilly didn&#39;t ask Mr Thompson to contact you? If he did then surely it is Mr Thompson who has wronged you and not Tilly, and therefore you have a grievacne with the wrong man.

c. I know you were asking Dave, but I have played against Ecko Whitecaps for South Benfleet United when I was about 10 years old (circa 1990).

d. I have lots of friends who have played in the Thundermite League (most for a very good Concorde Rangers team) None however have gone on to make it as a professional. Do you seriously think that players who, just because they play either in the Thundermite League or against Ekco Whitecaps, are that good?

I repeat, Ecko Whitecaps are merely a Sunday League team, traditionally a good one, yes, but still a Sunday league team.

[Matt the Shrimp]

Cockles - what&#39;s your beef with this situation? Even by your normal tongue-in-cheek standards, that was a pretty &quot;close to the knuckle&quot; comment...

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[coach ET]

cockles, i have plenty of quality time&#33;&#33; my full time job is being
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steve, i want the main man to answer the questions&#33; macca,
are you there son, speak for yourself&#33; dont hide behind the
anonimity of a computer&#33;
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[steveh1510]

Quote[/b] (coach ET @ Mar. 18 2004,14:06)]steve, i want the main man to answer the questions&#33;
And yet, once again, you do not answer my questions.....

[coach ET]

speak for yourself macca&#33;

[McScriven]

Quote[/b] (coach ET @ Mar. 18 2004,13:34)]now, out of curiosity, could you tell me for which club did you
play? because you said you played against daniel webb( that
should have been when you was 10 or 11)i have coached and
managed that age group at whitecaps and they always played
in the premier division so how he comes you played them once
or twice&#33; two things:1) you played for a lower division side(zed) or 2) *you went to a pro-club when you was 11.3) you
played for a side in the thundermite league.
and if you was that good why you didnt join an eastern junior
alliance u&#39;16s at a local senior club instead of an intermediate
team? and also why did you give up so early? thats not an injury that can threatens your career&#33;
please, answer all questions, dont skip any of them, be a man
at least once in your life and forget that sunday manager( intermediate) that kicked you out of the squad&#33;&#33;&#33;

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I&#39;m having trouble working out what you are trying to say but I&#39;ll give it a shot if I miss anything I&#39;m sorry:

I played Ecko once or twice as I very rarely stayed at a club for longer than a year, I moved around the leagues playing in the Southend Sunday League, Thundermite and as I got older I played with the men in the Essex Intermediate.

I think I was playing for Benfleet Juniors at the time when we played Ecko but that might be wrong it was a very long time ago. I never went to a pro club because I was never good enough the closest I went was having trials with West Ham.

At 15/16 I joined Benfleet FC playing with the men in Essex Intermediate on a Saturday.

As for my injury I sustained about a year and a half ago. It was a 100% rupture of an interior cruciate ligament and having had surgery to remove some of the ligament and cartilage I was offered a full recostruction.

Most people only have a partial tear but mine was a full rupture and the doctors rated my chances of being able to play football as slim. After careful consideration I decided it wasn&#39;t going to be worth it so quit.

As far as I know I&#39;ve never met you so I doubt you know me.

[coach ET]

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[McScriven]

Quote[/b] (coach ET @ Mar. 18 2004,14:26)]come on son, i want only satisfy my curiosity&#33; that could explain a lot of things&#33; well,&quot; not strong enough,said, that intermediate manager&#33; http://www.shrimperzone.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif *http://www.shrimperzone.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif
huh?

You make about as much sense as a chocolate fire guard.

[coach ET]

well done&#33; moved clubs around? not a good sign&#33;
played outside the premier( obscurity of div.zed) how he comes you had trials at west ham when you was playing for a c**p team? have you got a nice mum?
&quot; in your days&quot;. you must be like a forty- something&#33;
if you really wanted to play football again, you could have done it, it is not the case that you got disillutioned with
someone?

[McScriven]

Quote[/b] (coach ET @ Mar. 18 2004,14:36)]well done&#33; moved clubs around? not a good sign&#33;
played outside the premier( obscurity of div.zed) how he comes you had trials *at west ham when you was playing for a c**p team? have you got a nice mum?
&quot; in your days&quot;. you must be like a forty- something&#33;
if you really wanted to play football again, you could have done it, it is not the case that you got disillutioned with
someone?
Dignify you with a response? Nah can&#39;t be arsed. And for the comment about my mum we say goodbye to coachET forever tata&#33;

[coach ET]

mr mc scriven, i have got with me pc oakley from the basildon
police station. he wants to know how you have got my e-mail
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[McScriven]

Erm because Donkey brains I own this site and when you register I get everyones email address.

[Napster]

Dave this is all getting childish, can&#39;t we just close the thread?