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Is that an admission then that Labour are unable to give a credible alternative?
That is quite a jump you have made to get to that conclusion!
What is more likely is that at that time of day I was on my lunch break and didn't have time to justify every policy of the various incarnations of the Labour Party over the last 30 years which is what you seem to be requesting. What was far more time efficient was to stay with the current topic of conversation which was why I comment on UKIP **** ups. They are current, they are always current, there is always a new 'what are they doing now'. I'm not saying Labour don't make mistakes but what newsworthy ****s ups have they made over the last couple of days?
 
Talking about credible alternatives,I see that in a recent Ipsos poll, 56% of Britons would vote to stay in the EU.

That's "the highest support for British EU membership since 1991."


Could it be that UKIP's anti-EU stance is finally turning people against them?

http://www.theguardian.com/news/dat...pport-for-staying-in-the-eu-hits-23-year-high
As with all polls I'd be careful to see how many people the survey incorporated but I have the same issue with an in / out EU referendum as I did with the Scottish one - that fundamental change like that should only be on offer if significantly more than half the population call for it consistently over a considerable amount of time.
 
See ***'s post above for a rebuttal of your comments,which fully reflects my own views.

I suppose I might be deemed middle class by virtue of my profession,(joint) house ownership,education etc and also in the sense that we're all middle class now-if you've got a job that is.

However, my parents were most certainly working class.

Btw,I'm an ex-communist and haven't been a member of any political party for over 35 years now.


Back on topic, I see that Robert Iwaszkiewicz thinks that men hitting their wives can "help them come back down to earth." :stunned:

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-29704036
So what jobs did these working class heros do?
 
That is quite a jump you have made to get to that conclusion!
What is more likely is that at that time of day I was on my lunch break and didn't have time to justify every policy of the various incarnations of the Labour Party over the last 30 years which is what you seem to be requesting. What was far more time efficient was to stay with the current topic of conversation which was why I comment on UKIP **** ups. They are current, they are always current, there is always a new 'what are they doing now'. I'm not saying Labour don't make mistakes but what newsworthy ****s ups have they made over the last couple of days?


I suggested in my earlier post that rather than bore us with your loathing of UKIP, you post where Labour could do better than ukip and be a credible alternative, your response that labour haven't made any mistakes in the last two days is wonderful news....but doesn't make them credible.

Finally, I doubt there are many on here who care how you spend lunch hour, why don't you do what the girls in my office do, spend time fixing your make up, go shopping for a nice new skirt or while away the hour reading a gossip magazine, or a cookery book so you can fix your husband a nice meal.

You are coming across as very angry and frustrated lately, you need to calm yourself down...why don't you leave the left wing debating to Barna....he at least can manage his time :smile:
 
I suggested in my earlier post that rather than bore us with your loathing of UKIP, you post where Labour could do better than ukip and be a credible alternative, your response that labour haven't made any mistakes in the last two days is wonderful news....but doesn't make them credible.

Finally, I doubt there are many on here who care how you spend lunch hour, why don't you do what the girls in my office do, spend time fixing your make up, go shopping for a nice new skirt or while away the hour reading a gossip magazine, or a cookery book so you can fix your husband a nice meal.

You are coming across as very angry and frustrated lately, you need to calm yourself down...why don't you leave the left wing debating to Barna....he at least can manage his time :smile:
You are reading into things what you want to, I gave a quick response because that is what I had time for and that was what kept the thread on track. I'm reacting to news as I'm busy and that is what I have time for. Close to the GE I'll get more involved why I'll vote Labour for now I'm happy to just be anti UKIP because they are the ones creating the news and in my mind it's generally bad news.
My anger is a myth, I'm amazed that people take UKIP seriously but if you read what I write in the way it is intended then you'll see I am calm and measured. I just don't like UKIP and as you do you are viewing me in a particular way that is not accurate.
if I genuinely bore you then put me on ignore.
 
You are reading into things what you want to, I gave a quick response because that is what I had time for and that was what kept the thread on track. I'm reacting to news as I'm busy and that is what I have time for. Close to the GE I'll get more involved why I'll vote Labour for now I'm happy to just be anti UKIP because they are the ones creating the news and in my mind it's generally bad news.
My anger is a myth, I'm amazed that people take UKIP seriously but if you read what I write in the way it is intended then you'll see I am calm and measured. I just don't like UKIP and as you do you are viewing me in a particular way that is not accurate.
if I genuinely bore you then put me on ignore.

I'm amazed that anybody takes socialism seriously after its history of failure and genocide but there you go.
 
You are reading into things what you want to, I gave a quick response because that is what I had time for and that was what kept the thread on track. I'm reacting to news as I'm busy and that is what I have time for. Close to the GE I'll get more involved why I'll vote Labour for now I'm happy to just be anti UKIP because they are the ones creating the news and in my mind it's generally bad news.
My anger is a myth, I'm amazed that people take UKIP seriously but if you read what I write in the way it is intended then you'll see I am calm and measured. I just don't like UKIP and as you do you are viewing me in a particular way that is not accurate.
if I genuinely bore you then put me on ignore.

More legend I would say.
 
Kinda ironic that you are there pondering on me expressing anger and then stage left Rusty shuffles on! Panto season is with us.

Left-wing argument is indeed reminiscent of panto. Let's take some gems from this page alone.

I don't like UKIP! I'm surprised anyone takes them seriously! Right-wingers are angry and worthy only of derision! I've yet to read one coherent reason from you as to why we should adopt the naive and fiscally suicidal policies you favour, other than some sort of moral vanity.
 
Left-wing argument is indeed reminiscent of panto. Let's take some gems from this page alone.

I don't like UKIP! I'm surprised anyone takes them seriously! Right-wingers are angry and worthy only of derision! I've yet to read one coherent reason from you as to why we should adopt the naive and fiscally suicidal policies you favour, other than some sort of moral vanity.
We haven't been discussing the fiscal vanity thingy that you just said, we have been discussing the latest UKIP incidents and if you take a while to read back you'll see there is some substance to the discussion but it's been a little distracted by discussing whether we should be discussing UKIP at all.

As a virtual Israeli what are your views on the new member in Farage's right wing EU alliance?
 
We haven't been discussing the fiscal vanity thingy that you just said, we have been discussing the latest UKIP incidents and if you take a while to read back you'll see there is some substance to the discussion but it's been a little distracted by discussing whether we should be discussing UKIP at all.

As a virtual Israeli what are your views on the new member in Farage's right wing EU alliance?

Firstly, what the flying funk has some nutty Pole got to do with policy?

Secondly, I would concede that a Pole denying the holocaust is on shaky ground, but he probably thought that if those Arab chappies can do it, then why not? I couldn't give a toss who Farage has to cozy up to in the name of political expediency if it keeps winding up self-righteous pinkos.
 
Firstly, what the flying funk has some nutty Pole got to do with policy?

Secondly, I would concede that a Pole denying the holocaust is on shaky ground, but he probably thought that if those Arab chappies can do it, then why not? I couldn't give a toss who Farage has to cozy up to in the name of political expediency if it keeps winding up self-righteous pinkos.
Thanks for the concession and opinion.
 
Firstly, what the flying funk has some nutty Pole got to do with policy?

Secondly, I would concede that a Pole denying the holocaust is on shaky ground, but he probably thought that if those Arab chappies can do it, then why not? I couldn't give a toss who Farage has to cozy up to in the name of political expediency if it keeps winding up self-righteous pinkos.

But he's not doing it for political expediency. He's doing it for financial expediency.
 
I think part of the issue is, both yourself and Barna immediately home in almost crusade like on anything that is remotely anti UKIP.

Whilst at the same time completely ignoring and failing to acknowledge that there is only a need for parties like UKIP, because of the failures of the two big political parties (particularly labour who now seem to be the conservatives in disguise) to offer genuine choice.

There's definitely a need for parties offering genuine choice and a genuine alternative to the established parties who have failed us so badly and so often.

The trouble with UKIP is that they have whipped up this frenzy based on lies and propaganda and somehow have managed to convince people that all of Britain's woes are down to immigration and the European Union. And that wouldn't be so bad if that therefore did create an alternative for the public but it isn't because they've managed to drag the Conservatives with them.

We'll be out of the EU, and much worse off for it, within a decade.
 
Here is something for you to consider. UKIP are a party who until recently didn't have an MP. The Greens do. SNP do. PC do. The Irish Parties. Yet it is UKIP who get all of the media attention. Of all the "minor" parties, they have appeared on Question Time more than 50% than all the others put together. The media is UKIP this, UKIP that.

And you know that the likes of Daily Mail et al don't really want Farage and his headcases in power, they want David and his Old Etonians.

Its not an unrealistic step of logic to use the media to force the Tories further right to remove the UKIP thread, keep a Tory Government and have a Government sponsored free for all on immigraion (which is exactly what the media want).

I would not be surprised, and only time will tell, to see UKIP spectacularly fall from grace in the next two months and Cameron sweeping up their policies.

Just a viewpoint.....
 
That is quite a jump you have made to get to that conclusion!
What is more likely is that at that time of day I was on my lunch break and didn't have time to justify every policy of the various incarnations of the Labour Party over the last 30 years which is what you seem to be requesting. What was far more time efficient was to stay with the current topic of conversation which was why I comment on UKIP **** ups. They are current, they are always current, there is always a new 'what are they doing now'. I'm not saying Labour don't make mistakes but what newsworthy ****s ups have they made over the last couple of days?

Shouldn't you be updating ShrimperZone in your lunch hour and not while your supposed to be working?
No wonder the economy was such a f*** up under labour.
 
Your mother may have met my mother at some point in your mothers career.
How many men did your dad employ roughly?

At least 4 of my uncles (ie his brothers) and some others.There were qite a few casuals,including SU players, such as John Kurila,Billy Best Sammy Mac. and John Mckinven.Also remember Peter Watson visiting our house but I don't think he ever did any work for my Dad's firm.
Although I worked on his sites in SOS for a couple of summers,back in the 60's, I really can't answer your question accurately.I just don't know.He also had a big site in Beccles,(Norfolk), which I never visited.

Are you saying your mother was an inmate at Runwell, or also worked in the canteen there? :winking:
 
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