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I am interested in politics and left/right, red/blue is not the choice I make when I vote in an election. I vote for an individual ( or multiple in locals) as I can do nothing in the main about the policies of party But can have a small vote on the policies of my area representative. Surely people don't just vote with the way they/ family etc have always done?
 
I am interested in politics and left/right, red/blue is not the choice I make when I vote in an election. I vote for an individual ( or multiple in locals) as I can do nothing in the main about the policies of party But can have a small vote on the policies of my area representative. Surely people don't just vote with the way they/ family etc have always done?

No but if they're on benefits or in a cushy government job they vote Labour "for the good of the country."
 
No but if they're on benefits or in a cushy government job they vote Labour "for the good of the country."
I understand the social point you are making, however I might vote Lib or Lab depending on the priority put upon raising the minimum wage to a living wage. And I voted green last GE and Tory before we got Amess (Teddy Taylor days).
If the same person/ party had other sound policies on safeguards for NHS, defence and immigration, benefit cuts then maybe I am ticking their box with a X.
 
I understand the social point you are making, however I might vote Lib or Lab depending on the priority put upon raising the minimum wage to a living wage. And I voted green last GE and Tory before we got Amess (Teddy Taylor days).
If the same person/ party had other sound policies on safeguards for NHS, defence and immigration, benefit cuts then maybe I am ticking their box with a X.

I get your point, and actually think it's pretty sensible. However, individual MPs (if we're talking about a GE) have very little wiggle room. If they stray too far from the party line they'll be brought in line by, or risk losing, the party whip.
 
I get your point, and actually think it's pretty sensible. However, individual MPs (if we're talking about a GE) have very little wiggle room. If they stray too far from the party line they'll be brought in line by, or risk losing, the party whip.
Those individuals have chosen to represent that party because of the party policies - so they will always be judged on that primarily.
 
Those individuals have chosen to represent that party because of the party policies - so they will always be judged on that primarily.

They will. However, I also see the benefit in voting for the person.

I guess one thing you shouldn't do is vote for the leader of a party. When I vote, I won't be voting for any of the party leaders because none of them are standing in my constituency.
 
What would be absolutely gorgeous would be for the original pre-defection locally preferred UKIP candidate Mr Lord to fight back against the centralised party machine and stand as 'the Real UKIP' candidate, and then the previous 'part of the establishment' Conservative candidate Mr Carswell to stand for 'the actual UKIP' and for the don't know who it is yet but there is a big margin to protect so maybe Boris 'who is paying the other half of the cost of the bikes / am I still ****ing away other people's money on my island airport vanity project' Johnson to stand for the Conservatives and maybe the BNP, English Democrates and NF would have a little go to split the right wing further and some housing association or animal rights candidate will be an MP for three weeks or however long Carswell decided he couldn't hang on for. That would be gorgeous.



Who will stand as the Atletico UKIP candidate though?
 
Just heard a good comment about UKIP (sorry if it has already been posted) - "UKIP are the BNP in blazers" :smile:

All that comment does is betray the profound ignorance of the person who made it. The BNP favour state ownership of industry and most of the archaic financial policies so beloved by the Left despite their continued track record of failure, coupled with a robust attitude towards law and order and immigration. UKIP have some similar positions on social issues, but their immigration stance does not go nearly far enough in my opinion. Their fiscal policy is more akin to Thacherite/Reaganite values - a million miles from the prehistoric socialism of the BNP (and the Labour Party).
 
Just heard a good comment about UKIP (sorry if it has already been posted) - "UKIP are the BNP in blazers" :smile:

Now come on GB we've drank a pint or five together in Exeter you wouldn't say I was racist or facist would you? mind I'm prone to a blazer and slacks .
 
See Farage thinks that today's re-call of MP's to debate IS has been done deliberately to distract attention from UKIP's conference.

Also that his party are planning to cut UK income tax-just like the closet Tories they really are.
 
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