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Phil Brown says we need a 20 goal striker, Lol.

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Jam_Man said:
How do these people know what he is thinking and that his training isnt being done properly ?

Are we really saying the fact we arent scoring is because the strikers arent being taught how to kick the ball correctly? Has it really come to that ?

How many chances did Corr have to kick the ball in the net on Tuesday for his shooting technique to let him down? By all accounts despite playing well for most of the game we created very few shooting chances, thats the issue, not the way they kick the ball.


He may have ideas how to turn things around, that doesnt mean its simple to do, football isnt quite as simple as just changing to 442 and then instantly everyone starts playing like champions.

Us armchair fans are great at knowing exactly what needs doing, but football is not quite as simple as that.
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As I said, read Collymore's book and what he has to say on training exercises. If the training is quality and not rrepetitive then the players will improve, if it's not quality and is repetitive they won't. I am fed up with reading ' how many chances did the strikers have' as you keep stating it's not that simple. How many mire chances would they have with the right movement and understanding? Neither of us know but u would suggest that if they had training exercises around that it could only help. We are being told that these training exercises don't exist at SUFC.
Ps did I mention collymores view on this one of our best ever strikers with a reputation as being a bad trainer explain the value in quality training.,:winking:
 
We need to worry about the team peforming as a whole before even caring about whether the likes of Barnard with experience in the championship is kicking the ball correctly or knowing where to make runs.

Our performance issues run far deeper than teaching the "strikers" how to play.

Midfielders create chances, why arent we talking about their training and whether there is specific "through ball training"....

We have a problem scoring goals, thats obvious, but to simply focus solely on the strikers is trying to look at the bigger picture through a keyhole. We have a general lack of quality in the final third, its been like that all season.

Last season was the same we got told how we needed pace int he side (which we now have in abundance) and that we would never win games with Corr playing. Lo and behold without any specific "striker training" Corr goes on to score 5 goals in 6 games to help propel us from bottom of the form table to the top. All it took was one good performance against Oxford (with the help of Loza) and the team was transformed.

We went from terrible to fantastic playing the same formation and without changing strikers. Sometimes you just need a lift from anywhere to give the team a boost. Where that is at the moment is anyones guess.
 
Jam_Man said:
We need to worry about the team peforming as a whole before even caring about whether the likes of Barnard with experience in the championship is kicking the ball correctly or knowing where to make runs.

Our performance issues run far deeper than teaching the "strikers" how to play.

Midfielders create chances, why arent we talking about their training and whether there is specific "through ball training"....

We have a problem scoring goals, thats obvious, but to simply focus solely on the strikers is trying to look at the bigger picture through a keyhole. We have a general lack of quality in the final third, its been like that all season.

Last season was the same we got told how we needed pace int he side (which we now have in abundance) and that we would never win games with Corr playing. Lo and behold without any specific "striker training" Corr goes on to score 5 goals in 6 games to help propel us from bottom of the form table to the top. All it took was one good performance against Oxford (with the help of Loza) and the team was transformed.

We went from terrible to fantastic playing the same formation and without changing strikers. Sometimes you just need a lift from anywhere to give the team a boost. Where that is at the moment is anyones guess.
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I know you have to have the last word,so let me put it another way. Our strikers at not scoring and are not looking like scoring. Our manager is trying. Different things but we are still not carving out loads ofgood chances let alone scoring. Possibly the best player we have ever had thinks 'quality' training exercises made him a better player (and he was already in the prem). Would considering changing the training routines not be worth considering?
 
Jam_Man said:
We went from terrible to fantastic playing the same formation and without changing strikers. Sometimes you just need a lift from anywhere to give the team a boost. Where that is at the moment is anyones guess.
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Just throwing another point into the discussion. Last season when Kiernan was on loan 13 games and 23 points. When Egan (with Sokolik) were on loan (when we went from terrible to fantastic ) another 13 games and 23 points. The other 20 games we got just 26 points. So does this show that our centre backs aren't good enough meaning midfield spend too much time protecting them and don't getup to support the strikers.

Clearly the balance of the side has not been right all season. The signings in the summer have been no better than those players already at the club. We have not improved at all. There is no creativity in the team.

How many of the current squad would get into any of the teams that have previously won promotion from this league - particularly the 2004/5 team? Overall we just aren't good enough!
 
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LBBlue said:
How many of the current squad would get into any of the teams that have previously won promotion from this league - particularly the 2004/5 team? Overall we just aren't good enough!
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Going on performances this season only possibly Bentley and Williams (not even our own player) but that's it.
 
LBBlue said:
Just throwing another point into the discussion. Last season when Kiernan was on loan 13 games and 23 points. When Egan (with Sokolik) were on loan (when we went from terrible to fantastic ) another 13 games and 23 points. The other 20 games we got just 26 points. So does this show that our centre backs aren't good enough meaning midfield spend too much time protecting them and don't getup to support the strikers.

Clearly the balance of the side has not been right all season. The signings in the summer have been no better than those players already at the club. We have not improved at all. There is no creativity in the team.

How many of the current squad would get into any of the teams that have previously won promotion from this league - particularly the 2004/5 team? Overall we just aren't good enough!
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Best and most accurate post seen on this thread, stats don't lie.
 
LBBlue said:
Just throwing another point into the discussion. Last season when Kiernan was on loan 13 games and 23 points. When Egan (with Sokolik) were on loan (when we went from terrible to fantastic ) another 13 games and 23 points. The other 20 games we got just 26 points. So does this show that our centre backs aren't good enough meaning midfield spend too much time protecting them and don't getup to support the strikers.

Clearly the balance of the side has not been right all season. The signings in the summer have been no better than those players already at the club. We have not improved at all. There is no creativity in the team.

How many of the current squad would get into any of the teams that have previously won promotion from this league - particularly the 2004/5 team? Overall we just aren't good enough!
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Hadn’t considered this but it does make a lot of sense
 
LBBlue said:
Just throwing another point into the discussion. Last season when Kiernan was on loan 13 games and 23 points. When Egan (with Sokolik) were on loan (when we went from terrible to fantastic ) another 13 games and 23 points. The other 20 games we got just 26 points. So does this show that our centre backs aren't good enough meaning midfield spend too much time protecting them and don't getup to support the strikers.

Clearly the balance of the side has not been right all season. The signings in the summer have been no better than those players already at the club. We have not improved at all. There is no creativity in the team.

How many of the current squad would get into any of the teams that have previously won promotion from this league - particularly the 2004/5 team? Overall we just aren't good enough!
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Think our failure to get in Egan and/or Sokolik in the summer hasn't helped. Reckon that if we had got those 2 in or even just 1 then we could have focused on other areas for improvement.

While I agree with most of your post, I think Worrall will prove to be a very good signing and will provide some much needed competition for Hurst and more creativity.
 
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