God help us.

God help all the children of tomorrow if this turns out to be their future. Children must learn to worship money. It's all about the profit or you will be classed as a failure in society.

Every child must learn how money is made and "how to turn a profit" if Britain is to produce a new generation of entrepreneurs, David Cameron has said.

he Prime Minister said that schools must do more to help to create the future “Richard Bransons and Karren Bradys”.He said that he is personally asking some of Britain’s most senior business figures to go to their local schools and pass on “their hard-won knowledge”.

In an interview with the Institute of Directors monthly magazine, Mr Cameron said: “Children need to know how money is made, about turning over a profit, about working in a team. The future Richard Bransons and Karren Bradys are out there.

“We need to bring alive their ambition by showing them what they can do – and our top business people will do just that by sharing their own stories and passing on their hard-won knowledge. That is why I have repeatedly asked CEOs to get involved in their local schools, for example through the Speakers for Schools programme.”

What the **** does that mean anyway?

So by quoting one of those two people Mr Cameron is condoning prostitution. Am I not right? Surely the song is not incorrect?

Cricko said:

God help all the children of tomorrow if this turns out to be their future. Children must learn to worship money. It's all about the profit or you will be classed as a failure in society.

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Nothing like a sensationalist remark to start your Thursday!

Cameron at no point has said any of what you've written here, you've put 2 + 2 together and come up with 5. Do you really think that Cameron feels that EVERY SINGLE child needs to become an entrepreneur and that in the future we'll have no need for bin men, shelf stackers, child carers, taxi drivers, bus drivers? All jobs that have nothing to do with turning a profit?

What he is saying is that children are our future and he wants local CEO's to go into schools and show children this concept at an early age to help give Britain a bright future. You do realize that these entrepreneurs that you clearly have a bee in your bonnet about are people creating jobs, help towards the economy of the country and keep others earning? Not every company can be a government owned one.

Do you think this wont benefit our children? That a local or national entrepreneur talking at schools wouldn't aid development? Seriously? I know I would be very happy to hear my child receiving this kind of knowledge.

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What the **** does that mean anyway?

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I assume you are referring to the "hard-won knowledge" comment. Do you dispute that the likes of Richard Branson and Lord Sugar have worked hard to get where they are? Granted some people are born with a a silver spoon in their mouth, but I can't believe your contempt (at least thats the tone of your post) for those who create a business from nothing.

How bizarre you have Judd Nelson as your avatar who was the rebel. You should of picked Emilio Estevez when wrestling with your conscience.

I will respond more to your points later when I have more time.

help to create the future “Richard Bransons and Karren Bradys"

The big question to me is , will "shagging the boss of a soft porn empire" be a GCSE or an A level subject

Cricko said:

God help all the children of tomorrow if this turns out to be their future. Children must learn to worship money. It's all about the profit or you will be classed as a failure in society.

Every child must learn how money is made and "how to turn a profit" if Britain is to produce a new generation of entrepreneurs, David Cameron has said.

he Prime Minister said that schools must do more to help to create the future “Richard Bransons and Karren Bradys”.He said that he is personally asking some of Britain’s most senior business figures to go to their local schools and pass on “their hard-won knowledge”.

In an interview with the Institute of Directors monthly magazine, Mr Cameron said: “Children need to know how money is made, about turning over a profit, about working in a team. The future Richard Bransons and Karren Bradys are out there.

“We need to bring alive their ambition by showing them what they can do – and our top business people will do just that by sharing their own stories and passing on their hard-won knowledge. That is why I have repeatedly asked CEOs to get involved in their local schools, for example through the Speakers for Schools programme.”

What the **** does that mean anyway?

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Having an understanding of money and worshiping are two very different things.

I actually think it's a good thing if people know how money is made and how to turn a profit.

You've got to know the system to beat the system. Teaching them how to make a profit makes them better informed consumers.

Yorkshire Blue said:

I actually think it's a good thing if people know how money is made and how to turn a profit.

You've got to know the system to beat the system. Teaching them how to make a profit makes them better informed consumers.

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Lets all be consumers and over consumption of this planet.....Hey it's working so far. :stunned:

Cricko said:

Lets all be consumers and over consumption of this planet.....Hey it's working so far. :stunned:

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We are all consumers!

callan said:

Having an understanding of money and worshiping are two very different things.

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Whilst this world is consumed by this goal of lets make more, we are losing less, of Humanity, Caring, the fact we are all one although some less fortunate as others is a downward spiral.

It amazes me people who should be awake do not see this world and the catastrophic direction it is taking for those that will have power and those that will be discarded as unworthy of a life because they don't "match up" to the 1% views.

callan said:

We are all consumers!

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I am not a number. I am a person.

Cricko said:

Lets all be consumers and over consumption of this planet.....Hey it's working so far. :stunned:

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That was my point (albeit badly expressed). We're currently sold a lot of stuff we don't currently need. If people are better aware when and how they are being cynically marketed and sold to, they are better placed to resist and down-size.

Look out for that speech bubble hovering over you.

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I am not a number. I am a person.

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You have people queuing up for a week outside the apple store to spend hundreds of pounds for a phone or tablet thats a bit different to the one they queued up to buy 18 months before.

Some people do define themselves by what they own unfortunately, but I think that changes a lot as you get older and have kids etc. and you start appreciating things more that money cant buy.

Like having to shove your arm up the U bend of a toilet full of human waste because your bloody kids cant be bothered to flush. Well maybe not that.:smile:

You could buy a loo-unblocker!

Cricko said:

Whilst this world is consumed by this goal of lets make more, we are losing less, of Humanity, Caring, the fact we are all one although some less fortunate as others is a downward spiral.

It amazes me people who should be awake do not see this world and the catastrophic direction it is taking for those that will have power and those that will be discarded as unworthy of a life because they don't "match up" to the 1% views.

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I understand your view however prefer to see things differently.

I would suggest that as we evolve we actually become more caring, we have many things in place in our society now that would be unthinkable when Orwell wrote his books, I am not suggesting we are perfect but have certainly come along way and will continue to do so.

Human communities are only as healthy as our conceptions of human nature. It has long been assumed that selfishness, greed, and competitiveness lie at the core of human behavior, the products of our evolution. It takes little imagination to see how these assumptions have guided most realms of human affairs, from policy making to media portrayals of social life, however all scientific research and our own human experience teach us that this concept is flawed.

In short, the key to understanding human nature is not the selfishness of one, ,bur rather the selflessness of all .
The selfless gene allowed our ancestors to think and act as a group, thereby out competing other chimp-like species—literally leaving them in the dust. Moreover, our cooperative nature allowed us to build ever more complex ways of interacting with one another, which led to further evolution in the traits that facilitate cooperation (referred to as “gene-culture coevolution”). The end result of this dynamic was civilization and, eventually, the global interconnected society we live in today.
This is who we are. We are defined by our sense of fairness, adherence to group norms, willingness to punish those who violate such norms, willingness to share, and willingness to work for the good of the group, along with the high-level cognitive and cultural traits that enable us to be that way. We are not a species of seven billion selfish individuals, uninterested in anything save our own welfare and willing to cheerfully break any rule and hurt any other individual to secure it.
Indeed, we think of such people as sociopaths and if their tendencies actually dominated humanity we would still be back on the savannah with the rest of the chimp-like species.

Firestorm said:

help to create the future “Richard Bransons and Karren Bradys"

The big question to me is , will "shagging the boss of a soft porn empire" be a GCSE or an A level subject

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In the old days of education it would surely have been the Big O level :happy:

callan said:

I understand your view however prefer to see things differently.

In short, the key to understanding human nature is not the selfishness of one, ,bur rather the selflessness of all .
The selfless gene allowed our ancestors to think and act as a group, thereby out competing other chimp-like species—literally leaving them in the dust. Moreover, our cooperative nature allowed us to build ever more complex ways of interacting with one another, which led to further evolution in the traits that facilitate cooperation (referred to as “gene-culture coevolution”). The end result of this dynamic was civilization and, eventually, the global interconnected society we live in today.

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It would of had some credence if that was written by you rather than being nicked off the internet.

In short, the key to understanding human nature is not the selfish gene, bur rather the “selfless gene”. The selfless gene allowed our ancestors to think and act as a group, thereby outcompeting other chimp-like species—literally leaving them in the dust. Moreover, our cooperative nature allowed us to build ever more complex ways of interacting with one another, which led to further evolution in the traits that facilitate cooperation (referred to as “gene-culture coevolution”). The end result of this dynamic was civilization and, eventually, the global interconnected society we live in today.


http://www.newrepublic.com/book/review/cooperative-species-human-reciprocity-bowles-gintis

Cricko said:

It would have been better if you had your own opinion rather than nick it from elsewhere.

http://www.newrepublic.com/book/review/cooperative-species-human-reciprocity-bowles-gintis

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Perhaps you have over looked what I do for a living, and that in order to have any chance of success an understanding of Human nature is Key.
Opinion can only be based on understanding, in your case from Orwell in mine from research and the education received whilst doing what I do.
If you are saying that that the opinion is incorrect, then let us hear why rather than turn the debate awy from what you had originally posted and was subsequently challenged.

Firestorm said:

elp to create the future “Richard Bransons and Karren Bradys"

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Blueronron said:

In the old days of education it would surely have been the Big O level :happy:

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The chants suggested more A-levels than O-levels