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The King's Cross fire was attributed to a lit match rather than a fag end.

At work we have a bucket that is used to collect fag ends, but some people drop other litter into it. It is not unusual for the paper rubbish to start smouldering if someone chucks in a cigarette that hasn't been stubbed out properly.

As others have pointed out, the enquiry was rushed through and you have to wonder if all avenues were exhausted by the investigating officers and the judge.

It is simply horrible to think that a man may have played with the lives of all the people in the ground to prop up an ailing business.
 
It was poor procedures which killed people at Bradford as much as the fire. When it started burning people just moved a few yards , there was no evacuation until over 10 minutes later.
the small fire burned slowly , heating up the old , heavily treated wood above, this gave off inflammable fumes which spread along the row of seats, once the temperature of the fumes above the fire reached ingnition point the fire then spread rapidly. Too rapidly for a successful evacuation.

Whilst the history of the chairman and fires looks very compelling , given the way the fire started , and how long it burned before spreading , I dont think it would have been the preferred method for ensuring the stand would be destroyed. There were too many missed opportunities to stop the fire whilst it was still small
 
It was poor procedures which killed people at Bradford as much as the fire. When it started burning people just moved a few yards , there was no evacuation until over 10 minutes later.
the small fire burned slowly , heating up the old , heavily treated wood above, this gave off inflammable fumes which spread along the row of seats, once the temperature of the fumes above the fire reached ingnition point the fire then spread rapidly. Too rapidly for a successful evacuation.

Whilst the history of the chairman and fires looks very compelling , given the way the fire started , and how long it burned before spreading , I dont think it would have been the preferred method for ensuring the stand would be destroyed. There were too many missed opportunities to stop the fire whilst it was still small

Sadly in this country it has always been the case that safety is only applied after each disaster. Before the Bradford fire, sport stadiums were not covered by any fire regulations. Previous fires in cinemas, night clubs and factory's etc had all meant that each industry became safer. Why nobody thought of applying the lessons learnt some horrendous cinema fires is a scandal.

On the day of the fire there were no fire marshals or firefighting equipment available. Tragically around half of those that died did so trapped against the exit doors which were chained shut. Others died in a desperate attempt to run back up the stairs to get to the pitch. The reason the chairman was not charged with manslaughter was because he had not broke any rules, as at the time there were none in place.
 
How many smokers had smoked in that stand for year's without any problems?,thousands upon thousands.We could be talking about a million fag ends without any fire.The recent news regarding several fires connected to one man deserves an investigation ASAP.
 
For anyone interested, there's a documentary on Wednesday on BBC2 at 11:20pm.
 
When I worked at the refinery, fire safety was obviously a big thing. We had presentations on fire safety, including the Bradford fire. Apparently the emergency services took 9 minutes to get there because...nobody dialled 999. This was before the days of mobile phones, an off-duty officer saw it on TV and rang the local station to mention they'll need back up - and the reply was "for what?". They simply did not know.
 
It was poor procedures which killed people at Bradford as much as the fire. When it started burning people just moved a few yards , there was no evacuation until over 10 minutes later.
the small fire burned slowly , heating up the old , heavily treated wood above, this gave off inflammable fumes which spread along the row of seats, once the temperature of the fumes above the fire reached ingnition point the fire then spread rapidly. Too rapidly for a successful evacuation.

Whilst the history of the chairman and fires looks very compelling , given the way the fire started , and how long it burned before spreading , I dont think it would have been the preferred method for ensuring the stand would be destroyed. There were too many missed opportunities to stop the fire whilst it was still small

I don't recall but didn't they have fences as well? oh having looked, no but the turnstiles and exits were locked.
 
When I worked at the refinery, fire safety was obviously a big thing. We had presentations on fire safety, including the Bradford fire. Apparently the emergency services took 9 minutes to get there because...nobody dialled 999. This was before the days of mobile phones, an off-duty officer saw it on TV and rang the local station to mention they'll need back up - and the reply was "for what?". They simply did not know.

Even if they had arrived in 2 minutes they could not have saved anyone. As that copper said on the BT documentary, if there had been fences in front of that stand, we would have ended up with just 56 survivors rather than victims.
 
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