Brown Out / Replacement / Moan about Manager Super-Thread

http://www.footballeconomy.com/content/southend-united-football-club-limited

2004 does seem like we had a small budget, be interesting to see what last years and this years are.

Interesting stats, particularly the crash and huge loss the year after being in The Championship, wiping out the profit from the promotion year and some!

JamesTheSuperBlue said:

If he is saying that, then he is talking out of his backside.

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He is doing both but he never answers questions - just dodges on to another thread to talk down to everyone and tell everyone that everything is someone other than Phil's fault.

rigsby said:

You work it out. Under PB our highest wage in L2 was £1500 per week.

Back in those wonderful days of 2004, not only could we afford to buy Freddy we could actually pay his wages.

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Freddy came from Grays.

rigsby said:

No, it was the Tilson who had a bigger budget than PB

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1.7m 2004 - just under 3m 2014

That's from the published accounts.

Anything else you want to make up?

We had £1.7m in wages and salaries in 2004 but this includes all 79 staff members, even directors and non-playing staff. To get a fair playing figure divide it by the total, 79 and times by 46 player on the books. That gives us £990k spent.

Worth remembering the figures include non playing staff. Phil Brown almost certainly has a bigger budget as I remember a few years ago either Ron Martin or Steve Kavanagh mentioning that we had a £1.3m wage budget.

Has anyone ever seen Riggers and Horton in the same room at the same time.

Just saying like.

rigsby said:

No doubt you will back that statement up.

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My conversations with the man himself between 2004 and 2010 are all the backup I need, ta. Not that I see much from you either, anyway.


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As far as I'm aware, Tilson's playing wage budget in his L2 playoff season was similar to Brown's in his L2 playoff season, if not a little lower - £1m or so. But it was quite a bit lower in the 05/06 L1 title season - £1.4m I think I heard -than it is now. Playing wage budget hit a "high" of £2.5m in 06/07 Championship season, lowest in the division by quite a distance - next highest was Colchester at £4m.

As someone has mentioned, Brown has been allowed to assemble a very large and expensive backroom team too.


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JamesTheSuperBlue said:

If he is saying that, then he is talking out of his backside.

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Phil Brown's backside?

This thread seems to be the best place to park this.

FWIW, I can see why many (55% on this poll) see PB as not being the future.

I'm a supporter of him, on the basis that we are in an improved position since he took over and that we were in this position last season. We didn't win a game until September, so actually it's an improvement at the moment.

However, I do feel he now has a frustrated mindset and this can't be good, going into each match.

I think he can galvanise the squad and turn things around, but one thing I would wish for is that we just picked a system and stuck to it for a few months, until the players were familiar with it and we can work through as a team.

On Saturday, we changed the system after not losing the previous two games.

There's way too much tinkering and trying to come up with the perfect formula with a squad of imperfections.

Then it's a case of chasing the rainbow of some star player to get us out of it all.

I do believe we have good enough players to stay in this division, but unless we get some cohesion, as soon as we leak a goal the confidence appears to drain from the players, from what I understand.

We are not a bad side, but everyone does need to know their roles and be allowed to stick with them for a few months.

I'll be interested to see how we approach tonight's game, but I just hope it's the first of a run of consistent selections and a plan to move forward.

We can talk about Tilly v PB on budgets and so on, but the fact is that Tilly played 4-4-2 week in/week out and PB changes things around far too often. Trying to be too clever, at times.

Brown Out !!

Surely no one can any longer be holding onto hopes that Brown can turn this disaster around. Its been going for months and months. One win in who:sad: knows how many games, with defeat just follows defeat. The man has been given enough time and money to sort things out but failed dismally.

Now though hopefully Ron will lend him a laptop and a printer so that the letter Brown should have written last year at long, long last, gets written !

If Ron still remains loyal to him then it becomes our job to send him back up the A1. We have a simple choice before us, sleepwalk into relegation, or do something about it. I know what path I will be following next home game !!

The muppet should resign.

Just gonna leave this here :whistling:

I'm with you, go and please go quickly!!

Ive created a new thread with a poll.