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Very impressive turn outs even for the MP's Yogi, I presume the French are more aware of the importance of voting?

I'm not a historian but I would imagine it is something to do with the two revolutions our countries had against their ruling monarchs and the different way the contitutions developed from there on. Britain with a contitutional monarch and France, who saw no way back for a for a meaningful monarchy, with a President. Imagine that in France, electing a President, is rather like voting for a combination of monarch and a prime minister at the same time! Thus it would be seen as a duty to the Republic.........electing an assembly doesn't quite have that kudos. Barna feel free to comment or criticise! :smile:
 
On the principle that in the first round you vote for who you want but in the second against who you don't,the left know the importance of voting in the second round at least.:winking:

This has generally been the case...........voting with your heart in the First Round and your head in the Second. Yet, I wonder in 2017, whether that old adage will apply? The whole situation on the right is confused at the moment, with Fillon still braving it out (I get the impression the Tory grandees in the UK would have already offered him the sword to fall on or rammed it into his back!) with serious fraud allegations hanging over him.
The situation on the left is completely crazy. There is no Social democrat......less Macron can be judged as one but there are TWO socialists in a similar vain to Corbyn, one with a rather large ego. Hamon, the OFFICIAL candidate of the left and Mélenchon who separated from the socialists some years ago due to differences. He (Mélenchon) chose (wrongly IMHO) not to participate in the vote for a socialist primaries and now obstinately stands in the way of any chance for a left-wing candidate qualifying for the second round. Latest polls give Hamon 15% and Mélenchon 11%.......the classic united we stand, divided we fall situation, given that a total of 26% would quite possibly qualify one of them for a fight against Le Pen. Now, a vote for either of them could be said to push us nearer towards a nasty right or an extreme right- wing President............I say that with qualifications! :smile:
 
SATURDAY

In terms of the election Saturday is a BIG day, when everything should become clearer concerning the runners and riders. It is then that the candidates have to put in their nomination papers and the fight on the left and right should be sorted.
The only realistic way the left could qualify for the second round is if they had one united candidate, that now starts to look unlikely. Mélenchon, trailing behind the official socialist candidate, doesn't look as though he wants to pull out (never thought he would want to sacrifice his big election moment, even at the expense of socialism). Apparently he has said, "Why would I want to follow a hearse?" (the socialist party)...............presumably he prefers to be in the coffin with them. :smile: Personally, I'm a bit relieved, as the prospect of a Le Pen (very extreme right) against Hamon (extreme left) run-off would be an awful prospect and fill many with horror.
On the right, in spite of appeals from many in his party for him to stand down, Fillon seems even more determined to stay in the race, even with the risk of fraud proceedings being brought against him.
 
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A brilliant exposé of Le Pen's ghastly and embarrassing publicity stunt in Lebanon. In this case, the pen indeed is more powerful than the sword, in destroying the awful woman completely.

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices...nce-far-right-lebanon-not-found-a7595131.html

I'm sure she is delighted with this sort of response. Without this type of faux outrage by the media and people like your good self there would be no Brexit, no Trump and no chance of Le Pen.

Of course a Le Pen win would mean the fall of the EU speeded up and no need for any Brexit negotiations. So carry on the good work with your help she now has a slim chance of victory.
 
I'm sure she is delighted with this sort of response. Without this type of faux outrage by the media and people like your good self there would be no Brexit, no Trump and no chance of Le Pen.

Of course a Le Pen win would mean the fall of the EU speeded up and no need for any Brexit negotiations. So carry on the good work with your help she now has a slim chance of victory.

I trust that I won't have to eat my words. :smile: Yet I don't believe the French will be as stupid and gullible, to elect this poisonous woman in to power, as the the UK was to vote for Brexit
 
I trust that I won't have to eat my words. :smile: Yet I don't believe the French will be stupid and gullible, to elect this poisonous woman in to power, as the the UK was to vote for Brexit

Great example of why we voted Brexit.

Lets hope a Le Pen victory causes you some more misery.
 
A brilliant exposé of Le Pen's ghastly and embarrassing publicity stunt in Lebanon. In this case, the pen indeed is more powerful than the sword, in destroying the awful woman completely.

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices...nce-far-right-lebanon-not-found-a7595131.html

Rather reminds me of her last failed publicity stunt, when she flew over to NY to see (the then ) President elect Trump without making a prior appointment,just after NF had been made welcome there.Loved the shots of her having a coffee with her advisers in the café in Trump Towers on Spanish TV -long way to go for just a latte.:smiles:

Great example of why we voted Brexit.

Lets hope a Le Pen victory causes you some more misery.

MLP will get through to the second round, unfortunately.No way she'll win though.´

Don't forget youll be paying SZ a tenner tomorrow,btw.:winking:
 
MELENCHON, THE MAN BIGGER THAN THE IDEA?

As I indicated on the by-election thread this morning we are 'extra lucky' in having two Corbyns to choose from. I do have the smallest grain of sympathy for Mélenchon but it doesn't go further than that. Fed up with 'middle of the road socialism' he left the mainstream party in 2008 to form a front de gauche..........known in the forthcoming election as 'Insoumis' (rebellious/unsubdued). Against most expectation the primaries for a socialist presidential candidate (which Mélenchon didn't take part in) threw up Benoît Hamon instead of the expected centerist, ex prime minister, Manuel Valls. Thus Mélenchon found himself in the awkward situation of having a candidate with ideas very similar to his own as a rival for socialist votes.
Last night on TV some lived in hope that Mélenchon would stand down...........no such chance! Both he and Hamon have showed willingness to meet each other (on sunday or Monday) to discuss the situation, yet when it comes to the crunch of one or the other standing down..........don't hold your breath! Hamon, with some justification, claims he is the official socialist candidate whilst Mélenchon when asked if he would stand down in favour of Hamon replied, "Pourquoi il ne la retirerait pas, lui ?" (Why shouldn't it be he who stands down?)
The upshot of all this will mean we effectively have a three-horse race for the Presidency; Fillon (far right Thatcherite), Le Pen (extreme right) and Macron (centrist). If the situation on the left prevails, Macron and his supporters will no doubt claim that a vote for either Mélenchon or Hamon in the first round will be wasted and will likely lead to an 'unpalatable' second-round stand-off between Le Pen and Fillon.
 
In the world of politics, there don't appear to be too many dull moments. The investigation into François Fillon (candidate far right) has been ratcheted up today, with three judges appointed to look into the affair concerning misuse of public money.

http://www.bfmtv.com/police-justice...ure-d-une-information-judiciaire-1109937.html


This procedure is usually very long (minimum 2 years) and not the ideal thing to be hanging around your neck when running for the Presidency. If by chance he was elected, he would then be immune from prosecution for the duration of his mandate. I think that is becoming a VERY big IF! :smile:
 
MELENCHON, THE MAN BIGGER THAN THE IDEA?

As I indicated on the by-election thread this morning we are 'extra lucky' in having two Corbyns to choose from. I do have the smallest grain of sympathy for Mélenchon but it doesn't go further than that. Fed up with 'middle of the road socialism' he left the mainstream party in 2008 to form a front de gauche..........known in the forthcoming election as 'Insoumis' (rebellious/unsubdued). Against most expectation the primaries for a socialist presidential candidate (which Mélenchon didn't take part in) threw up Benoît Hamon instead of the expected centerist, ex prime minister, Manuel Valls. Thus Mélenchon found himself in the awkward situation of having a candidate with ideas very similar to his own as a rival for socialist votes.
Last night on TV some lived in hope that Mélenchon would stand down...........no such chance! Both he and Hamon have showed willingness to meet each other (on sunday or Monday) to discuss the situation, yet when it comes to the crunch of one or the other standing down..........don't hold your breath! Hamon, with some justification, claims he is the official socialist candidate whilst Mélenchon when asked if he would stand down in favour of Hamon replied, "Pourquoi il ne la retirerait pas, lui ?" (Why shouldn't it be he who stands down?)
The upshot of all this will mean we effectively have a three-horse race for the Presidency; Fillon (far right Thatcherite), Le Pen (extreme right) and Macron (centrist). If the situation on the left prevails, Macron and his supporters will no doubt claim that a vote for either Mélenchon or Hamon in the first round will be wasted and will likely lead to an 'unpalatable' second-round stand-off between Le Pen and Fillon.

FWIW,I'm beginning to think Macron might actually make it through to the second round rather than Fillon.

Certainly J.will be voting for him (via proxy) and I imagine our two daughters will too.I'd still vote for Mélenchon (if I could).

Hamon clearly won't make it through to the second round.

Hardly suprising when you consider the problems that social democratic parties are experiencing in the rest of Europe,including the UK.:winking:
 
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