I keep hearing people talk about deporting. You cant deport a British person. If someone comes from abroad then yes deport them, but these scumbags are British born, you can just post them off to another country, as much as that would be nice.
I didn't say deport the British. No, I'd be happy to see them spend their lives in solitary confinement.
As for the 4000 on the watchlist, at what point do you put them in prison? As soon as they look at an ISIS website? If they post something on twitter?
I gave an example of this, on the last terrorism thread we had after Westminster. Back in 2007(?) IIRC, a little jihadi mob plotted to blow up 7 commercial airliners leaving Britain, headed for America. The security services watched them for months. They watched them meet & discuss it. They watched them buy the materials needed. And they watched them build the bombs. Then, on the night before the planned attack, they watched the terrorists slip through their fingers. And just down to sheer luck, they managed to stop them before they reached the airport.
Someone tell me why the security services needed to wait that long before intervening?
This is the problem, they have to commit an actual crime to be arrested. Maybe we are too tolerant in some areas (the hate speech you mention for sure), but it all depends on what exactly these people actually have done to get on the watch list in the first place.
Mate, have you read the terrorism act? "Conspiracy to commit" IS a crime. If they're involved in any form of terrorist activity, they can be charged. Unfortunately, we simply do not like punishing people in this country. The strongest punishment on the Terrorism Act, is 15 years for terrorist activity. 15 years. It should be life. No rehabilitation, no second chances, fair warning.. You entertain the idea of blowing up our people & you're caught, you'll spend the rest of your life in solitary.
And we know for sure they ain't on that list for trivial reasons
Its ok saying we should take a hardline and zero tolerance approach, but do you not think that will just lead to even more radicalisation? Not saying we "do nothing" which is the standard response to that, but people seem to be oblivious to why people turn this way in the first place. They feel wronged and oppressed, I dont see how doing more of it helps.
The tougher laws & attitudes, are there to protect Muslims, aswell as us whiteys. Afterall, these people who act in the name of Islam, (but aren't actually real Muslims, as we're told after every single one of these atrocities) need separating from the Muslim name. I'd have thought, most Muslims would welcome that idea. Seeing as how their beliefs are polar-opposite, yet they are all tarred with the same brush.
Im a Catholic (supposedly), I welcome tougher laws & attitudes to weed out the nonces in the church. It gives my (so-called) religion a bad name, where every single priest is looked upon as a potential predator of children. The only logical reason for me NOT wanting stricter laws & tougher attitudes to solving this problem, is if I was a sympathiser of nonces.
I do think a lot of people seem to think we "do nothing" when these incidents arise, but they dont think about all the plots that are avoided and the convictions that do take place, because they dont make the news.
Its the same old saying, the security services have to get it right every time, the terrorists only need to get lucky once.
The only real solution is the point you say about Islam itself, it has to change, it has to take responsibility for how extremism is allowed to exist, and thats going to take forever if its even possible.
You're right, terrorists need to get lucky just once. So why not make it as hard as possible. Make it almost impossible.
There is a real belief in this country that we can't really do anything. I believe otherwise. It might hurt some feelings, but personally I don't care. I couldn't give a good **** if some feelings got bruised, If it means we didn't have to see pictures of dead children
