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    Surprised there isn't already a thread.

    Negotiations officially began yesterday.

    Safe to say it probably didn't get off to a great start, although perhaps unsurprising.

    "In contrast to well-rehearsed EU positions on issues such as the financial settlement and Irish borders, British officials admit they did not bring any pre-prepared negotiating papers to share with their counterparts - insisting instead that their overall ambitions were made clear by the government’s earlier white paper and Lancaster House speech."

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics...re-trade-talks

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    I believe this was reported from The Hague... The MayMobile is in trouble....


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    David Davis the numpty couldn't even get his Churchill quote right... He should have the used the "We'll fight them on the beaches!" One

    If we are going to come out of this with any benefits we needs some orrible b'strds in there, like Claude Littner who used to grill the apprentice muppets..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Floval Flyer View Post
    David Davis the numpty couldn't even get his Churchill quote right... He should have the used the "We'll fight them on the beaches!" One

    If we are going to come out of this with any benefits we needs some orrible b'strds in there, like Claude Littner who used to grill the apprentice muppets..
    We'll fight them on the Blue Flag beaches.... because thanks to the EU we now have cleaner beaches
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    Thought it was significant that DD caved into the EU on the first day of negotiations regarding simultaneous trade talks.
    "The British government is free to make a decision about its participation in the World Cup," he said.

    But nobody has the right to insult the Russian people - who defeated Nazism and lost more than 25 million people - by comparing our country to Nazi Germany.

    That goes beyond common sense."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tangled up in Blue View Post
    Thought it was significant that DD caved into the EU on the first day of negotiations regarding simultaneous trade talks.
    Agreed certainly not worth picking a fight over (yet)...and agreeing to the EU's phased approach actually means very little as I'm sure you will concede Barna bearing in mind that they can't discuss phase one properly without discussing phase 2 (trade) as one impacts on the other.

    Also good to see the EU stepping back on the UK's assets post Brexit.
    "But the significant thing is not that they happen, but that, even when they are known about, they provoke no reaction from the left-wing intelligentsia as a whole. The argument that to tell the truth would be "inopportune" or would "play into the hands of" somebody or other is felt to be unanswerable"

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    Quote Originally Posted by callan View Post
    Agreed certainly not worth picking a fight over (yet)...and agreeing to the EU's phased approach actually means very little as I'm sure you will concede Barna bearing in mind that they can't discuss phase one properly without discussing phase 2 (trade) as one impacts on the other.
    So why did David Davis say this would be "the row of the summer"?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yorkshire Blue View Post
    So why did David Davis say this would be "the row of the summer"?
    It's a good question, but doesn't alter that you can't fully discuss phase one without taking into account phase two.

    Davis certainly needs to be more careful in some of his quotes, this wasn't the only one that didn't bear much scrutiny regarding Brexit, Starmer from Labour has been equally nonsensical in some of his rhetoric.
    "But the significant thing is not that they happen, but that, even when they are known about, they provoke no reaction from the left-wing intelligentsia as a whole. The argument that to tell the truth would be "inopportune" or would "play into the hands of" somebody or other is felt to be unanswerable"

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    Quote Originally Posted by callan View Post
    It's a good question, but doesn't alter that you can't fully discuss phase one without taking into account phase two.

    Davis certainly needs to be more careful in some of his quotes, this wasn't the only one that didn't bear much scrutiny regarding Brexit, Starmer from Labour has been equally nonsensical in some of his rhetoric.
    On the contrary-he's been much more nuanced than DD.Good to hear spreadsheet Phil stress the importance of jobs over immigration yesterday.Hard Brexit is finished.
    "The British government is free to make a decision about its participation in the World Cup," he said.

    But nobody has the right to insult the Russian people - who defeated Nazism and lost more than 25 million people - by comparing our country to Nazi Germany.

    That goes beyond common sense."

    Alexander Yakovencko.Russian Ambassador to the UK:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tangled up in Blue View Post
    On the contrary-he's been much more nuanced than DD.
    That's damning him with faint praise!

    But I do like Starmer, seems a very sound operator.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uncle Leo View Post
    That's damning him with faint praise!

    But I do like Starmer, seems a very sound operator.
    Along with Barry Gardiner and the Shadow Chancellor he's a star man in Labour's Shadow cabinet.
    "The British government is free to make a decision about its participation in the World Cup," he said.

    But nobody has the right to insult the Russian people - who defeated Nazism and lost more than 25 million people - by comparing our country to Nazi Germany.

    That goes beyond common sense."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tangled up in Blue View Post
    On the contrary-he's been much more nuanced than DD.Good to hear spreadsheet Phil stress the importance of jobs over immigration yesterday.Hard Brexit is finished.
    I suspect that very much depends on your view of what hard brexit entails.....as for starmer he has struggled throughout staying on message for Labour.
    "But the significant thing is not that they happen, but that, even when they are known about, they provoke no reaction from the left-wing intelligentsia as a whole. The argument that to tell the truth would be "inopportune" or would "play into the hands of" somebody or other is felt to be unanswerable"

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    Quote Originally Posted by callan View Post
    I suspect that very much depends on your view of what hard brexit entails.....as for starmer he has struggled throughout staying on message for Labour.
    That's because he's trying to make the most of a bad job within the constraints that the Leaver Corbyn has imposed.

    It's no coincidence that the politicians displaying the most understanding of the topic on both sides are Remainers (Hammond on the Tory side and Starmer on the Labour side).

    We're still to see a coherent and plausible vision of what Britain's future outside will look like from any Leavers.

    This is going to be a case study in incompetence for decades to come.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yorkshire Blue View Post
    That's because he's trying to make the most of a bad job within the constraints that the Leaver Corbyn has imposed.

    It's no coincidence that the politicians displaying the most understanding of the topic on both sides are Remainers (Hammond on the Tory side and Starmer on the Labour side).

    We're still to see a coherent and plausible vision of what Britain's future outside will look like from any Leavers.

    This is going to be a case study in incompetence for decades to come.

    Brilliant .....until you consider May was a remainer...and perhaps delivering the most incoherent strategy on negotiations of all time.
    "But the significant thing is not that they happen, but that, even when they are known about, they provoke no reaction from the left-wing intelligentsia as a whole. The argument that to tell the truth would be "inopportune" or would "play into the hands of" somebody or other is felt to be unanswerable"

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    Quote Originally Posted by callan View Post
    Brilliant .....until you consider May was a remainer...and perhaps delivering the most incoherent strategy on negotiations of all time.
    May is clueless (and now a Leaver), but maybe some of her colleagues who supported Brexit could assist?

    I mean they are in the Department for Exiting the EU, the Foreign Office, Trade Secretary, DEFRA etc so you'd like to have thought they would have had some ideas at what to do if they were successful.
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