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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Football View Post
    I don't know. I don't know anything about global economics, so I as I said in my previous comment, I wont comment further. But then again I wont argue with Bloomberg either.

    But....
    I do know about maths. I've got an O level and everything. So I know that 7% of next to nothing is still pretty much next to nothing. I think that answers your question.
    So do us Brexit people. So we know that 52% in a 'once in a life time, you cant go back after the result' referendum means we will be leaving the EU. We also know that the MP's should respect the will of the people and democracy, so get on with what we voted for and not their watered down, don't agree with it, remoaners version.

    Are you going to Bury by the way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rigsby View Post
    So do us Brexit people. So we know that 52% in a 'once in a life time, you cant go back after the result' referendum means we will be leaving the EU. We also know that the MP's should respect the will of the people and democracy, so get on with what we voted for and not their watered down, don't agree with it, remoaners version.

    Are you going to Bury by the way.
    Would you like to get back into the "52% of what" debate, which can be equally, and easily, described as 36%?. And do the 48% now not get a voice? And if we don't, isn't that an attack on free speech?

    Yes. You can buy me a birthday pint. Assuming we don't turn back, I'll be in their social club.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Football View Post
    Would you like to get back into the "52% of what" debate, which can be equally, and easily, described as 36%?. And do the 48% now not get a voice? And if we don't, isn't that an attack on free speech?

    Yes. You can buy me a birthday pint. Assuming we don't turn back, I'll be in their social club.
    As you have just pointed out Remain are just 30% of the population. If they had won we wouldn't be getting a say but we all knew that, you ignored us for years and that's why were out.

    By the way I bought everyone a pint on my birthday when played Millwall away in the FAC.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rigsby View Post
    As you have just pointed out Remain are just 30% of the population. If they had won we wouldn't be getting a say but we all knew that, you ignored us for years and that's why were out.

    By the way I bought everyone a pint on my birthday when played Millwall away in the FAC.

    Good for you. I have a(nother) holiday to fund next week. :)

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    Quote Originally Posted by rigsby View Post
    As you have just pointed out Remain are just 30% of the population. If they had won we wouldn't be getting a say but we all knew that, you ignored us for years and that's why were out.

    By the way I bought everyone a pint on my birthday when played Millwall away in the FAC.
    Not sure about this figure.In any case, as I've already pointed out,Leave voters are dying off,to be replaced with younger,remain voters in the future.There's no doubt in my mind, that the referendum result will eventually be reversed by the UK public.
    "The British government is free to make a decision about its participation in the World Cup," he said.

    But nobody has the right to insult the Russian people - who defeated Nazism and lost more than 25 million people - by comparing our country to Nazi Germany.

    That goes beyond common sense."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tangled up in Blue View Post
    Not sure about this figure.In any case, as I've already pointed out,Leave voters are dying off,to be replaced with younger,remain voters in the future.There's no doubt in my mind, that the referendum result will eventually be reversed by the UK public.
    It might well be, but what is the timescale on that? It could be 10, maybe 20 years into the future. Possibly longer. The other issue is whether or not the EU would want us back after this fiasco, even that far into the future.

    The problem is that predicting the future is fraught with danger. There's also the possibility that in the future the oldies (i.e. people of my age) go from being mostly anti EU to pro EU when they realise what they've left behind. (For the benefit of Leavers, this is speculation to prove a point.) At that point in time it might well be the young that don't want to join because they'll have nothing to compare it to. It could become a complete role reversal. You simply don't know.

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    http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-43045553

    Meanwhile we can all unite (or not) around BoJo's vision of a Brexit future.
    "The British government is free to make a decision about its participation in the World Cup," he said.

    But nobody has the right to insult the Russian people - who defeated Nazism and lost more than 25 million people - by comparing our country to Nazi Germany.

    That goes beyond common sense."

    Alexander Yakovencko.Russian Ambassador to the UK:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tangled up in Blue View Post
    In any case, as I've already pointed out,Leave voters are dying off,to be replaced with younger,remain voters in the future.
    One fairly major flaw in this theory is that it fails to take into account that "younger, remain voters" are perfectly at liberty to alter their views when they get older. As indeed they should be.

    To illustrate the point, we all know people that were once, perhaps in their student days, fervently left of centre student union types and yet middle age, parenthood and becoming somewhat worldly-wise seems to turn the dial to the right in so many cases. Being old enough to compare the tax deductions on payslips under Labour & Conservative governments can have much the same effect. I'm sure there are cases of movement in the opposite direction too.

    There's an equal case for saying that the younger, remain voters of today will have, by the time of any further referendum, lived long enough to have seen and experienced positive Brexit outcomes (or just learned to live with it) to the extent that they prefer to remain outside of the EU at that time. Gee, they might even go one better than many of their elders and decide to respect with good grace the outcome of the 2016 vote.
    There are 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those that don't.

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    http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-43062112

    Who says the EU aren't listening?
    "The British government is free to make a decision about its participation in the World Cup," he said.

    But nobody has the right to insult the Russian people - who defeated Nazism and lost more than 25 million people - by comparing our country to Nazi Germany.

    That goes beyond common sense."

    Alexander Yakovencko.Russian Ambassador to the UK:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gremlin View Post
    One fairly major flaw in this theory is that it fails to take into account that "younger, remain voters" are perfectly at liberty to alter their views when they get older. As indeed they should be.

    To illustrate the point, we all know people that were once, perhaps in their student days, fervently left of centre student union types and yet middle age, parenthood and becoming somewhat worldly-wise seems to turn the dial to the right in so many cases. Being old enough to compare the tax deductions on payslips under Labour & Conservative governments can have much the same effect. I'm sure there are cases of movement in the opposite direction too.

    There's an equal case for saying that the younger, remain voters of today will have, by the time of any further referendum, lived long enough to have seen and experienced positive Brexit outcomes (or just learned to live with it) to the extent that they prefer to remain outside of the EU at that time. Gee, they might even go one better than many of their elders and decide to respect with good grace the outcome of the 2016 vote.
    Perhaps you can explain why so many younger voters opted for Jeremy Corbyn in last year's snap election? IMO,it's because he offered them some hope for their future, which doesn't seem to be available elsewhere (especially from the Tories).
    "The British government is free to make a decision about its participation in the World Cup," he said.

    But nobody has the right to insult the Russian people - who defeated Nazism and lost more than 25 million people - by comparing our country to Nazi Germany.

    That goes beyond common sense."

    Alexander Yakovencko.Russian Ambassador to the UK:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tangled up in Blue View Post
    Perhaps you can explain why so many younger voters opted for Jeremy Corbyn in last year's snap election? IMO,it's because he offered them some hope for their future, which doesn't seem to be available elsewhere (especially from the Tories).
    Yes if only he could stick to his life long core belief that the EU has been far more damaging for young peoples future than any Tory government......He might actually win an election.

    Shame he has had to pander to the privileged left wing liberal elite, including those that work in the media, that worry about "Who's going to serve my coffee in Costa of a morning"......."Who will wipe my bottom in a nursing home when I'm older"......

    How about paying some of the working classes they despise so much a fair wage for serving their coffee. Of course they don't have to with an endless supply of cheap Labour. The sad thing is the coffee is no cheaper just bigger profits for the tax dodging multi nationals.

    Likewise if you think immigrants are only capable of wiping your a***.......Then maybe you should be paying for the privilege.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rigsby View Post
    Yes if only he could stick to his life long core belief that the EU has been far more damaging for young peoples future than any Tory government......He might actually win an election.

    Shame he has had to pander to the privileged left wing liberal elite, including those that work in the media, that worry about "Who's going to serve my coffee in Costa of a morning"......."Who will wipe my bottom in a nursing home when I'm older"......

    How about paying some of the working classes they despise so much a fair wage for serving their coffee. Of course they don't have to with an endless supply of cheap Labour. The sad thing is the coffee is no cheaper just bigger profits for the tax dodging multi nationals.

    Likewise if you think immigrants are only capable of wiping your a***.......Then maybe you should be paying for the privilege.
    In fact, Labour played a blinder in the last GE.Both by accepting the referendum result and leaving all options on the table in Brexit discussions.

    It was of course Labour,under that much maligned Tony Blair, who introduced the minimum wage.
    "The British government is free to make a decision about its participation in the World Cup," he said.

    But nobody has the right to insult the Russian people - who defeated Nazism and lost more than 25 million people - by comparing our country to Nazi Germany.

    That goes beyond common sense."

    Alexander Yakovencko.Russian Ambassador to the UK:

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    "Much maligned"? Surely the greatest of jests, good sir ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tangled up in Blue View Post
    In fact, Labour played a blinder in the last GE.Both by accepting the referendum result and leaving all options on the table in Brexit discussions.

    It was of course Labour,under that much maligned Tony Blair, who introduced the minimum wage.
    How sad that Labour success is now measured against the margin of defeat.

    Avoiding discussion at all cost and hoping to blame the Tories is doing no one any favours.....Remain or Leave.

    Tony the Tory encouraged mass immigration for political reasons so he has made sure the minimum wage will be the maximum wage for many whilst every thing else rises above inflation.

    By the way long before minimum wage or equal pay, back in the 50's my mother left her job with Woolworths in London one morning to start that day for double the pay and much better conditions for Gordons Gin.....Millennial women of the same age are now working for nothing under 'internships' for similar companies......Go girls, make you march against Trump because we need protection and we need change.......Its only those corrupt old men from the EU that can help us because your not capable of achieving anything with out their laws and their say so.......Are you?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tangled up in Blue View Post
    In fact, Labour played a blinder in the last GE.Both by accepting the referendum result and leaving all options on the table in Brexit discussions.

    It was of course Labour,under that much maligned Tony Blair, who introduced the minimum wage.
    Have you considered going into Stand up comedy?
    "But the significant thing is not that they happen, but that, even when they are known about, they provoke no reaction from the left-wing intelligentsia as a whole. The argument that to tell the truth would be "inopportune" or would "play into the hands of" somebody or other is felt to be unanswerable"

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