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    Quote Originally Posted by Shrimpet steve View Post
    For what reason? Does he assist ? Wasnt in top 5 of players in the team who assisted? Surely a midfielder should? Drives forward well but has numerous shots which dont hit the target? And have u ever seen a goal come from the long throw? Yes he works hard but hes definitely replaceable!
    All depends what your aspirations are !

    If ours are to improve our position we need to not replace him but improve on him and regardless of your questions of him, there can't be that many around , as otherwise Wilder would have turned his attentions elsewhere. We need to improve on him with our budge. If we get 600k for him, PB won't be given 600k to replace him ... meaning that it's a difficult call for the club to make , as our aspirations are promotion which to Southend is worth millions now with the new TV deal. People trying to make it simple maths aren't sitting with Ron and PB's Blueprint in front of them which is a probably a 3 year plan, which includes promotion in it !
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    Quote Originally Posted by Norwichshrimper View Post
    So correct me if I have this wrong - but after 2 threads and 14 pages, nothing has actually happened?

    I was thinking that - surely we should be up to 20 pages. The number of posters on here is declining perhaps.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kentblues View Post
    Why? We want to keep him? Thank God we have a chairman with some balls and does roll over without a fight..
    Do we actually want to keep players who dont want to be here and have made efforts to get out?

    I like Leonard but if he stays against his wishes then thats not going to make for a good season. He will be targeted throughout the season, any dodgy performance will end up being his fault because he doesnt want to be here.

    I personally think its time for him to move on, if they can get him to sign a new deal and commit then great, but if not cash in and move on.

    That said I wouldnt be surprised if Ron does want to keep him that he will stay, and I think he is the sort of player to carry on as normal, but not sure all fans will see that if things go awry.

    Quote Originally Posted by RobM View Post
    This is pure guesswork on my part, but maybe Lenny has changed his mind after seeing we have brought in Hendrie and Kightly.
    "Now then, Self, do I want to be part of this?" *thinks* Well, actually, yes I do."
    That would be reassuring, but this request happened well after Kightly joined so don't think so.

    Quote Originally Posted by Shrimpet steve View Post
    For what reason? Does he assist ? Wasnt in top 5 of players in the team who assisted? Surely a midfielder should? Drives forward well but has numerous shots which dont hit the target? And have u ever seen a goal come from the long throw? Yes he works hard but hes definitely replaceable!
    Kante only scores a couple of goals a season. Doubt he assists many either. Won 2 back to back Premier League titles and one of the best midfielders in the country.

    Leonard has been playing a defensive role in the side so he isnt going to have scored or assisted many.

    I dont think he is a creative player, but thats not really what he brings to the team.

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    Bentley wanted out and no one turned on him. So long as Leonard puts a shift in on the field he'll be fine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shrimpet steve View Post
    For what reason? Does he assist ? Wasnt in top 5 of players in the team who assisted? Surely a midfielder should? Drives forward well but has numerous shots which dont hit the target? And have u ever seen a goal come from the long throw? Yes he works hard but hes definitely replaceable!
    Not sure I agree. Kante picked up every accolade going last season without notching many goals or assists. Lenny's athleticism, pace, power and workrate is easily the best I've ever seen at this level. He's breaking up play at one end and supporting the attack at the other. Not to mention the amount of defensive cover he provides when full backs go forward. His awareness and reading of the game is excellent and it allows Demetriou and Coker the freedom to push forward.

    Yes he's probably replaceable, but at a pretty big premium. If there was another player of similar or better ability who was available for less or even free, then Sheffield United or Millwall would be trying to sign them instead.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beefy View Post
    Bentley wanted out and no one turned on him. So long as Leonard puts a shift in on the field he'll be fine.
    True, but we also spent most of the season hoping he would sign a new deal, there was no confirmation he woudlleave till much later in the season. Might have been different if he slapped a transfer request in the summer before he left.

    Wasnt the same level of expectation in the side either.

    He should be fine, but you know how people like a scapegoat.

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    I don't think that makes any difference. Bentley rejected a new contract and made clear he wanted to move on. It's the same situation other than that we won't get a fee for Leonard, but that should only make a difference to Ron Martin.

    Leonard isn't a Freddy Eastwood whose laid-back attitude could be mistaken for phoning it in. If he isn't committed it will be apparent on the pitch.

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    Bentley was even offered a contract in April of the season he left. I know most of us knew he would be off but that uncertainty still gave people a buffer.

    Will be interesting to see how it pans out.

    Personally thought all this was just Ron holding out for more money, not quite so sure now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beefy View Post
    Bentley wanted out and no one turned on him. So long as Leonard puts a shift in on the field he'll be fine.
    As I quoted in the other thread I was disappointed not in the fact that Leonard like Bentley wanted to pursue their dream of higher level football, but the fact that Bentley and Payne chose to turn down a better contract with the club that helped them establish themselves, signing a new contract does not mean they are never going to find a bigger club, it means that the club will get a better deal from the transfer and that the player has shown loyalty to that club and the supporters by doing so, I just don't understand a player whose first knee jerk reaction to another club paying interest is turn your back on the club you play for week in week out and do your best to make it look like playing for Southend is holding back their talent and they have to get out as soon as possible.

    On a positive note Leonard stating he does not want a transfer is a very good sign, this club is looking to go further and from the signings we have made staying for one more year he could be playing in the Championship next season anyway (fingers crossed)

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    Quote Originally Posted by discord View Post
    As I quoted in the other thread I was disappointed not in the fact that Leonard like Bentley wanted to pursue their dream of higher level football, but the fact that Bentley and Payne chose to turn down a better contract with the club that helped them establish themselves, signing a new contract does not mean they are never going to find a bigger club, it means that the club will get a better deal from the transfer and that the player has shown loyalty to that club and the supporters by doing so, I just don't understand a player whose first knee jerk reaction to another club paying interest is turn your back on the club you play for week in week out and do your best to make it look like playing for Southend is holding back their talent and they have to get out as soon as possible.

    On a positive note Leonard stating he does not want a transfer is a very good sign, this club is looking to go further and from the signings we have made staying for one more year he could be playing in the Championship next season anyway (fingers crossed)
    Signing a new deal reduces the chance of them signing for a bigger club. The new club suddenly has to pay more to prise him away reducing the chance of the move happening, and reducing the money the player can then get in contract terms.

    It is not in the players interest to sign a contract if he wants to leave. He doesnt owe us loyalty, the most he has to do is honour his contract.

    Leonard has given us 6 seasons, thats a long time and has shown enough loyalty already.

    This wont have been a knee jerk reaction, he wants to play higher and has watched Payne and Bentley move up and will have had this in his mind long before any offers came in.

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    We are currently blocking a young man who has given his all for this football club from a life changing salary....and general career development...all so we can get naff all for him next summer. Financially more prudent to take a fee with decent sell on clauses.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rigsby View Post
    Your not wrong there mate.

    Your angle of Ron and Phil working against each other is a non starter.
    A non starter according to.........let me see........oh you!

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    Quote Originally Posted by leeblue View Post
    We are currently blocking a young man who has given his all for this football club from a life changing salary....and general career development...all so we can get naff all for him next summer. Financially more prudent to take a fee with decent sell on clauses.
    You mean the club that helped him develop as a player?

    So what if he has given 6 years, so have we and he signed that contract, we didn't force it upon him.

    I find it quite strange you're siding with a player that wants to leave OUR team.

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    Quote Originally Posted by londonblue View Post
    Which is probably why Lenny withdrew his transfer request. That may have been part of the discussion between Lenny and RM. RM may well have said you don't need a transfer request, if a good enough offer comes along we'll sell you, but so far that hasn't happened.
    And if a player puts in transfer request, isn't there some rule that he has to sacrifice a signing on fee or something? I'm sure I read something like that.

    I think it's more likely to be something like -

    "Lenny, tell your agent to make sure Sheff Utd pay £XXXXXX, withdraw your request and you can capitalise personally by getting compensation/keeping the signing fee (or whatever). If they don't pay up now, then you've got until January to show them what they are missing. Deal?"
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