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Yorkshire Blue

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Why is training at 9am?

http://www.echo-news.co.uk/sport/blues/15680199.Blues_striker_Ranger_to_be_recalled_if_he_turns_up_on_time/?ref=rss

Players generally need to be primed to perform at 3pm or 7:45pm, so it would seem strange to me to have their routine so they turn up at 9am each morning. This is obviously the way it has always been done and imagine there's no difference club to club, but I wonder if there is any scientific basis to this and whether there may actually be a more optimal time?

I've read studies suggesting that school should start later for teenagers who generally require more sleep. Now that's less of an issue for us as we only ever play teenagers as a last resort, but people have different circadian rhythms: some people are night owls and some are morning larks. Training beginning at 9am would seem to discriminate against night owls (especially with the distance of commutes many players will face). Might we get more out of those players who naturally operate on a later schedule by making training later?

Other studies suggest that decision making may be better at certain times of the day depending on that individual's biological disposition.

Might we get a competitive edge by switching training time to the afternoon which is more aligned to when we want players to peak performance wise?
 
The body can be educated as to when to sleep, when to eat etc... It's just about getting with the programme and committing to it. If you get up at six in the morning for a few weeks, your mind and body start doing it naturally. Besides the casino's and bookies are always best after lunch. :unsure:
 
Did Ranger ask you to post this because he wants a lie in and does not want to be late again? :winking:
 
I think they get together a bit earlier and breakfast together before starting training, that was certainly what I got told when we organised the JB day, and that would explain arrival at 9.
 
The body can be educated as to when to sleep, when to eat etc... It's just about getting with the programme and committing to it. If you get up at six in the morning for a few weeks, your mind and body start doing it naturally.

Yes, but we're educating it to perform in the morning when we compete in the afternoon or evening.
 
It must be your lucky day Yorkshire, I can help you with this one as well.


The players aren't out on the pitch at 09:00 they will be gathering for tea and toast etc. Sometimes they are not out on the grass until much later with the real work at about 11:00. Spot of Lunch and then gym. They have in the past tried group things in the afternoon including Yoga. Stops young men going into the bookies etc.

At Bolton during the Allardyce regime they were very big on sports science and despite what most fans would wrongly guess, always open to new ideas. One of the things they tried was training at 15:00 hrs. Most of the Foreign players weren't to keen, some who were big names at the time, soon refused point blank and insisted on their tried and tested daily routine.

Evening sessions would be worse as players would hang about all day 'saving' themselves for training.

So aren't we all lucky that PB was assistant manager at Bolton so he already knows it doesn't work. Just goes to show sometimes experience is very valuable when it comes to certain jobs.

P.S PB normally arrives at about 08:00 at BL. The only player who used to get there before him was Deegan, in the Gym. Now he could be a good choice for making sure poor little Nile can get out of bed.
 
Can't imagine why you would start anything at 9 am so you have to fight through rush hour traffic and school runs when you don't really have to.
 
Can't imagine why you would start anything at 9 am so you have to fight through rush hour traffic and school runs when you don't really have to.

You could always leave home at 05/06:00 like many of us who have worked in London do. Its nice to be early and beat the rush.
 
A friend of mine who played for Villa and was on their coaching staff for a good few years until very recently told me their academy players are required to arrive at their training complex at 8.15am each day and the senior players at 9.30am. I guess as they have so many players they stagger the times like this so the two groups can have breakfast together before they start training. It is an interesting point though about finding peak fitness each day in terms of body clock etc.
 
You could always leave home at 05/06:00 like many of us who have worked in London do. Its nice to be early and beat the rush.

You could.. and I have... but this is a football club training ? If your business doesn't have to start at 9.00 then why would you ? Why further clutter the roads and make life difficult for your employees ? There may be a reason I just can't think what it is.
 
It must be your lucky day Yorkshire, I can help you with this one as well.


The players aren't out on the pitch at 09:00 they will be gathering for tea and toast etc. Sometimes they are not out on the grass until much later with the real work at about 11:00. Spot of Lunch and then gym. They have in the past tried group things in the afternoon including Yoga. Stops young men going into the bookies etc.

At Bolton during the Allardyce regime they were very big on sports science and despite what most fans would wrongly guess, always open to new ideas. One of the things they tried was training at 15:00 hrs. Most of the Foreign players weren't to keen, some who were big names at the time, soon refused point blank and insisted on their tried and tested daily routine.

Evening sessions would be worse as players would hang about all day 'saving' themselves for training.

So aren't we all lucky that PB was assistant manager at Bolton so he already knows it doesn't work. Just goes to show sometimes experience is very valuable when it comes to certain jobs.

P.S PB normally arrives at about 08:00 at BL. The only player who used to get there before him was Deegan, in the Gym. Now he could be a good choice for making sure poor little Nile can get out of bed.

Thank you. I was aware Allardyce was into his sports science and presume that there must have been a bit more science in it if he experimented with it. His failure to handle big names wouldn't have boded well for the England job had he managed to keep his nose clean.

If it was the foreign players at Bolton who objected I wonder if that would still apply for Southend, but maybe you were just referring to the large Irish contingent here. This may be more something for Ricky Duncan and Kevin Maher to look at (although the kids already train in the evenings and the youth team already play at 11am) before players have developed routines.
 
You could.. and I have... but this is a football club training ? If your business doesn't have to start at 9.00 then why would you ? Why further clutter the roads and make life difficult for your employees ? There may be a reason I just can't think what it is.

at Arsenal they made a player move house cos he was spending an hour in the car to training and an hour on the way back -

two hours a day cramped up in a chair getting stressed -

no go
 
Thank you. I was aware Allardyce was into his sports science and presume that there must have been a bit more science in it if he experimented with it. His failure to handle big names wouldn't have boded well for the England job had he managed to keep his nose clean.

If it was the foreign players at Bolton who objected I wonder if that would still apply for Southend, but maybe you were just referring to the large Irish contingent here. This may be more something for Ricky Duncan and Kevin Maher to look at (although the kids already train in the evenings and the youth team already play at 11am) before players have developed routines.

They tried it and it didn't work for them as a team or for individuals. They obviously speak to other mangers coaches etc who have also tried it. If it worked then the PL would all be doing it.

The best time to train is mid morning as your at your peak and gives you plenty of recovery time. Even if your Irish, whatever that has to do with it.

If your fit it makes no significant difference that you play at 15:00
 
Between 12 noon and 12:15, on the 2nd Wednesday during lent in a leap year.
 
Players were in at 7.30am weds morning as punishment. Just like Brown has been known to call in the players for Sunday morning sessions after a loss. Not a great way to manage and a near certain way to lose your changing room. On the pettiness and punishment subject, this is the reason that Brown made Ranger play against Billericay, it was a punishment because he was late for training that day.
 
If anyone can't make it in they should try a proper job what normal people do.
 
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