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    Quote Originally Posted by GBJ View Post

    It's totally irrelevant whether they were good players, or if we've upgraded or not. My point was, these players had run-ins with the management & didn't want to be here anymore.


    Listen it's getting late and I'm sorry that I still feel your argument has got more holes in it than today's pitch - but before lights out let me just pick you up on one of the points you make.

    Re-read what you have written above. Can you not see one of the glaring flaws in your argument? Are you really suggesting that it is imperative we keep our good AND not-so-good players happy, avoid confrontation with management and worry about the fact that the latter might want to leave? Sounds like a recipe for a race to the bottom if you ask me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rigsby View Post
    No they didn't. They have some real good strengths as a team but passing on our pitch wasn't one of them. Haven't seen any team lately pass well on our pitch. Yes we have lost 3 out of 4 at RH but Oxley hasn't actually had a lot to do in those games.

    The big difference today has been ignored by everyone so far......Paddy Madden.... Showed great skill and strength for both goals. After that he then played some quality first time passes when they were on top.
    I don’t agree with you, Shrews passed it better than us, way better, we went long ball. Ok don’t skip or side track, are you a Brown is good or a Brown is bad, I don’t think you will answer directly, deviation will be activated, captains bar.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rigsby View Post
    No they didn't. They have some real good strengths as a team but passing on our pitch wasn't one of them. Haven't seen any team lately pass well on our pitch. Yes we have lost 3 out of 4 at RH but Oxley hasn't actually had a lot to do in those games.

    The big difference today has been ignored by everyone so far......Paddy Madden.... Showed great skill and strength for both goals. After that he then played some quality first time passes when they were on top.
    what? Ferdinand did not mess up? Twice? Is this double rose tinted? I wonder if you were having refreshments or similar...

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    Quote Originally Posted by RayleighShrimp View Post
    I don’t agree with you, Shrews passed it better than us, way better, we went long ball. Ok don’t skip or side track, are you a Brown is good or a Brown is bad, I don’t think you will answer directly, deviation will be activated, captains bar.
    Well I pleased you can now post under another name...I've missed you

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    Quote Originally Posted by Danshrimper View Post
    And I’m the deluded one for refusing to act as though everything is fine and Phil Brown can do no wrong after 8 defeats in 9 games whilst we sit 2 points above the relegation zones with a very tough next few games coming up.
    It's been proven time & time again, that a new manager coming into a club can invigorate a team during that initial honeymoon period, and gain the right results, which could turn out to be crucial.

    IMO, based on the remaining fixtures we've got, especially between now & February, we're on a hiding to nothing. Injuries galore, a team devoid of confidence & a manager who's more focused on the oppositions tactics, rather than playing to his own teams strengths, doesn't add up to a whole lot of success.

    The one single trick we've got left, the one ace up the sleeve that might save us, is to bring in a new face, get us up the table & then reassess the situation once we're safe.

    Under Brown, we will be back in the basement next season. And I've been a supporter of Brown up until the last few weeks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GBJ View Post
    It's been proven time & time again, that a new manager coming into a club can invigorate a team during that initial honeymoon period, and gain the right results, which could turn out to be crucial.

    IMO, based on the remaining fixtures we've got, especially between now & February, we're on a hiding to nothing. Injuries galore, a team devoid of confidence & a manager who's more focused on the oppositions tactics, rather than playing to his own teams strengths, doesn't add up to a whole lot of success.

    The one single trick we've got left, the one ace up the sleeve that might save us, is to bring in a new face, get us up the table & then reassess the situation once we're safe.

    Under Brown, we will be back in the basement next season. And I've been a supporter of Brown up until the last few weeks.
    you cant invigorate dads army

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    Quote Originally Posted by GBJ View Post
    It's been proven time & time again, that a new manager coming into a club can invigorate a team during that initial honeymoon period, and gain the right results, which could turn out to be crucial.

    IMO, based on the remaining fixtures we've got, especially between now & February, we're on a hiding to nothing. Injuries galore, a team devoid of confidence & a manager who's more focused on the oppositions tactics, rather than playing to his own teams strengths, doesn't add up to a whole lot of success.

    The one single trick we've got left, the one ace up the sleeve that might save us, is to bring in a new face, get us up the table & then reassess the situation once we're safe.

    Under Brown, we will be back in the basement next season. And I've been a supporter of Brown up until the last few weeks.
    I remember Thompson coming in as a manager, wow we’re like a different team.. win win, we need fresh ideas.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Danshrimper View Post
    You talk about the anti-Brown brigade as though it’s still the small minority of people that have had it against him since he came here. I’ve been a supporter of Brown until a few weeks ago but he’s not up to the job anymore. You’re the one in the minority now. The Brown-in brigade who think Phil Brown can never do anything wrong, we could lose the next 10 games and you’d probably still be on here defending him. It’s unbelievable.
    That is some change of heart in a few weeks. A Few weeks ago he was up to the job - now he certainly isn't. What has changed apart from losing a few games? Did he run over your cat? If he lost the next 10 games than maybe I would agree with you. But he hasn't and his record suggests he won't. He has made mistakes and I've recognised that in previous posts. But haven't you in your job? I'm sure you would expect your employer to look at your performance over an extended period. If you look at PB's over the period he has been with us he us up there with the best we have had - especially when you consider some of the players he inherited (Mohsni, Straker, Barker etc) This is tough at the moment but a change of manager will guarantee you nothing - so why are you so keen to see it? It feels like people are willing to take a huge leap of faith, gamble it all on the spin of a wheel instead of thinking about it logically.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RayleighShrimp View Post
    I remember Thompson coming in as a manager, wow we’re like a different team.. win win, we need fresh ideas.
    And what a long and illustrious managerial career he had subsequently

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brett Angle View Post
    Re-read what you have written above. Can you not see one of the glaring flaws in your argument? Are you really suggesting that it is imperative we keep our good AND not-so-good players happy, avoid confrontation with management and worry about the fact that the latter might want to leave? Sounds like a recipe for a race to the bottom if you ask me.
    Errr, yeah? You don't think it's imperative to keep the playing staff happy?

    Is it really that foreign of a concept? Suggesting that the manager, should try and keep his playing staff happy? It's why he's got the title - manager. To manage his playing staff correctly. Especially considering they are his players, what he's brought in.

    Obviously it's a difficult task to keep everyone happy, all of the time, but not an impossible one, especially to a good man-manager. Take Harry Redknapp or Eddie Howe for example, not the best managers, but their players are always willing to run through brick walls for them, as they're good man-managers. Their teams are normally worth more than the sum of their parts. Can we same the same? **** no. The squad we've got on paper, is easily good enough to challenge for a play-off spot, yet we languish in a relegation battle. Could we achieve better, with a better manager? Who knows, but we can't really get much worse.

    And we're not talking about trying to keep crap fringe players happy, or players chasing new contracts, or players coming to the end of their career. We're talking our current crop. We're talking about youngsters whose confidence has been shot to pieces. We're talking about seasoned-pro's who have been lambasted, belittled & dropped. We're talking about a squad who have been shamed publicly on numerous occasions.

    It clearly adds up to bad management. The kind of bad management that has seen us free-fall towards the drop zone, with no sight of it letting up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by in the know View Post
    Believe it was actually demi who headed onto the bar from his normal on the goal line position.
    Yes it was.
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    There's not a lot of match reports on here - really opinions on Brown - have been done to death - it's all down to the man with the Bentley.

    Well today's match. All the geeing up on here and optimism left me feeling that we were in for a surprise today. We all had an inkling that Phil was going to go experienced - but my first surprise was that Southeastern rail were screwing 5% more out of me for the privilege of transporting me from Ashford to Southend. My next surprise was when I read the team sheet -Phil had given a little inkling that there my have been a few positional changes to cover the loss of Lenny, Woody and Nile.
    So I saw a back 5, three wingers and a lone Cox, oh and Timlin in midfield. Youth had had its chance - experience was having its day. The slip of lad McLaughlin at 27 being our youngest outfield starter with the usual 7 over 30.

    So we had lots of square pegs in round holes and lots of round pegs in square holes and a reversion to a formation that had been tried and failed. The omens now weren't good. Still lets give it a go - it certainly seemed to fool Fleetwood who wanted to be as negative as us. The crowd were not over enthused either - bit like waiting for a funeral.

    Well after 45 minutes the stats read Southend 0 shots on target 0 corners Fleetwood 0 shots on target 0 corners.
    Demi did deflect one onto the bar though. It was Turner's turn this week to pull a muscle and off he limped to be replaced by Hendrie who was slotted in somewhere between Coker and McLaughlin out on the left flank with Coker playing a very left sided centre back. Player of the month in September Kyprianou didn't get the nod as last week he blasted a clearance into a forward that rebounded to O'Toole and into our goal- the frailties of youth. Highlight for us was when Anton managed to keep his bulk between an attacker and our goal for enough time for a few more to get back. Our engine room of Timlin and Kightly didn't have a lot of oomph. 45 minutes of torture and as exciting as watching paint dry.

    Fleetwood weren't much cop either but they were saving themselves for their trip to Leicester on Tuesday. So they only really needed to play for one half.

    In the 53rd minute a slight cheer was heard when McLaughlin managed a shot which their keeper had to save. 3 minutes later Paddy Madden came on and a minute later we gave them their first goal - a loose pass from Anton when not under a great deal of pressure gave them possession which we managed to hold off for a couple of passes but they walked it in for 1-0. Fleetwood had scored without really breaking sweat. 5 minutes later they walk through again 2-0 game over.

    Why have I really come all this way forking out another £50 to watch this lot . All those promises the players keep making- and don't keep.

    With 20 minutes to go we had young Norman joining the fray - it's all right brining him said Phil afterwards because if he make a mistake its unlikely to cost us a goal. What revelation someone who had quick feet, a bit of pace about him and not had his confidence yet eager to please. Well he managed to warm the keepers gloves with one rasping shot and looked really lively -young legs and energy just what we need.

    With 4 minutes left we scored could this be the comeback of all time. This is what the BBC website says -
    Goal! Southend United 1, Fleetwood Town 2. Michael Kightly (Southend United) right footed shot from very close range to the top left corner.
    Don't know what game they were at. Shot for the edge of the box which took a wicked deflection a foot away from Kightly - spun viciously in the air and dropped in behind the keeper who had no chance. Had our luck changed?

    Nope Norman could have equalised but didn't quite strike it sweetly enough. It would have been an injustice though if we'd got anything out of the game.

    His 20 minute cameo earned him my MoM - it was nice to see some one run with a bit of pace and look like a footballer - at least the trip wasn't completely for nothing.

    I thought McLaughlin did OK he had a good tussle with their full back. Cox was isolated as would be expected.

    As for Brown and the tactics - come come chum muddled thinking again. Over thinking. Negative crap. He was happy with nil - nil and no shots. Two many tired legs we all get slower as we get older.

    At least I'll be a few thousand miles away for the Scunthorpe game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LBBlue View Post
    According to CP a pulled muscle in his calf.
    Yes that's rather what it looked like watching the game on ifollow.He was quite clear he needed to come off.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brett Angle View Post
    That is some change of heart in a few weeks. A Few weeks ago he was up to the job - now he certainly isn't. What has changed apart from losing a few games? Did he run over your cat? If he lost the next 10 games than maybe I would agree with you. But he hasn't and his record suggests he won't. He has made mistakes and I've recognised that in previous posts. But haven't you in your job? I'm sure you would expect your employer to look at your performance over an extended period. If you look at PB's over the period he has been with us he us up there with the best we have had - especially when you consider some of the players he inherited (Mohsni, Straker, Barker etc) This is tough at the moment but a change of manager will guarantee you nothing - so why are you so keen to see it? It feels like people are willing to take a huge leap of faith, gamble it all on the spin of a wheel instead of thinking about it logically.
    yep- he didn't inherit any good players- i see your point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rigsby View Post
    No they didn't. They have some real good strengths as a team but passing on our pitch wasn't one of them. Haven't seen any team lately pass well on our pitch. Yes we have lost 3 out of 4 at RH but Oxley hasn't actually had a lot to do in those games.

    The big difference today has been ignored by everyone so far......Paddy Madden.... Showed great skill and strength for both goals. After that he then played some quality first time passes when they were on top.
    As soon as Madden came on I knew he'd do some damage. He's a great player at this level.

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