Harry Lennon

[onceknownasrab]

You're serious, right?
Lennon 'had a post match meet with a mate' (Dover players), and is 'appearing to enjoy himself'! What had he got to enjoy?
Yeah, the conclusion is he doesn't give a stuff about the fans, or he wouldn't be there doing that.
What other conclusion faced with the evidence can you draw?
I can think of at least 20 other ways of winding down after a dreadful defeat. As for what goes on his 'noddle' - I doubt it's very much when it comes to thinking ahead.

So he is guilty of what? Poor judgement? Hang him now! He was with mates, resigned to the situation and, begrudgingly or otherwise, he was pleased for his friends and understood what it meant to them. I think that's called gracious in defeat.

 

[Chris Powell's mate]

Wayne Rooney, Hugo Lloris, Darron Gibson, Firmino, Jermaine Pennant, Tony Adams? All done for drink driving. Sacked by the clubs? No. Richard Keogh anyone?

They could all be accused of embarrassing their clubs and being very poor role models. I suppose their stature in the game makes anything forgivable.

Lennons action may have appeared insensitive, unwittingly or otherwise, but in the grand scheme of things I doubt it was anything more than a blooper. I bet there are a lot of footballers having a sherbet after a game.

Lennon is still relatively young and has played precious few more league games than Elvis. He is still learning, has been hampered by injury and is playing in a very disjointed team. Cut him some slack.

Not an inch! And this is why.
He is 24; hardly a teenager. How many of the others mentioned went out drinking with the other side who had just beaten them badly, and then allowed it to go on social media?
There might be a lot of players who like a drink; but that after-match drinking thing was a culture than died in the 90s.
Do tell me, please, what being injured or playing for a crap side has to do with indefensible actions?

 

[Chris Powell's mate]

So he is guilty of what? Poor judgement? Hang him now! He was with mates, resigned to the situation and, begrudgingly or otherwise, he was pleased for his friends and understood what it meant to them. I think that's called gracious in defeat.

Oh really?
That gracious in defeat bit comes at the end of the match when you shake hands. But I agree when it comes to 'poor judgement'. This is about as poor as it gets in the context.

 

[Tombstone Blues]

Not an inch! And this is why.
He is 24; hardly a teenager? How many of the others mentioned went out drinking with the other side who had just beaten them badly, and then allowed it to go on social media?
There might be a lot of players who like a drink; but that after-match drinking thing was a culture than died in the 90s.
Do tell me, please, what being injured or playing for a crap side has to do with indefensible actions?

And you have what evidence to show he WAS drinking?

 

[onceknownasrab]

Not an inch! And this is why.
He is 24; hardly a teenager? How many of the others mentioned went out drinking with the other side who had just beaten them badly, and then allowed it to go on social media?
There might be a lot of players who like a drink; but that after-match drinking thing was a culture than died in the 90s.
Do tell me, please, what being injured or playing for a crap side has to do with indefensible actions?

His injuries and predicament are just highlighting where he is with things. If he had been a consistent star at the back or a regular 20 goals a season scorer this thread would be two comments long. He is not only being judged on his actions but being sentenced because people do not rate him as a player. The two things should not be confused.

 

[Chris Powell's mate]

And you have what evidence to show he WAS drinking?

This is getting a bit forensic. I was replying to OnceKnown's assertions that drinking after the game was hardly a crime.
Let's assume for argument's sake he was having a tonic water, OK?
He was also jumping up and down in what is clearly some sort of celebration with the opposition's players in a pub - and is knowingly being filmed.
Agreed?

 

[smudgster]

If that defeat hurt Lennon anywhere near as it hurt us he would have been sat at home that evening totally ****ed off.

I think hearin lays the problem, it does not hurt him when we lose. I'll be honest with you it totally ruined my weekend.

 

[in the know]

So he is guilty of what? Poor judgement? Hang him now! He was with mates, resigned to the situation and, begrudgingly or otherwise, he was pleased for his friends and understood what it meant to them. I think that's called gracious in defeat.

I have to agree with this.....
Unless you were there, involved, and able to verify exactly what was going on , I don't see how its possible to factually say bad or good things. Of course opinions are able to be vented, but surely you cant castigate someone without all the facts.
I wasn't there, but just supposing he was appearing as a favour for a charity/ family/good cause and went straight there.... Is that bad!!
Yes ... its possible it could be the opposite, but the point is, without knowledge, surely the benefit of the doubt is ok to be given...it really isnt a crime compared to a Joey Barton post match manager bashing or similar.
I wonder why the person posting the video or pics thought it would be a good idea in the current environment to post it, in the knowledge of what it would cause for this young man!

 

[Tombstone Blues]

This is getting a bit forensic. I was replying to OnceKnown's assertions that drinking after the game was hardly a crime.
Let's assume for argument's sake he was having a tonic water, OK?
He was also jumping up and down in what is clearly some sort of celebration with the opposition's players in a pub - and is knowingly being filmed.
Agreed?

Yeah ok let’s agree he was on the tonic water...so his crime is now what? Poor dancing?

 

[Chris Powell's mate]

His injuries and predicament are just highlighting where he is with things. If he had been a consistent star at the back or a regular 20 goals a season scorer this thread would be two comments long. He is not only being judged on his actions but being sentenced because people do not rate him as a player. The two things should not be confused.

I would write the same if it was say, Dan Bentley or Freddy, had he been caught in a pub celebrating with the opposition after the worst defeat of a dreadful season.
And yeah, he is being judged on his actions, because if he had gone home or out for a meal with the girlfriend, logically, he wouldn't /couldn't be judged.
Context is everything.

 

[onceknownasrab]

If that defeat hurt Lennon anywhere near as it hurt us he would have been sat at home that evening totally ****ed off.

I think hearin lays the problem, it does not hurt him when we lose. I'll be honest with you it totally ruined my weekend.

To be fair it probably ruined Lennons weekend. He just dealt with it in a different way than you thought he should.

 

[Chris Powell's mate]

Yeah ok let’s agree he was on the tonic water...so his crime is now what? Poor dancing?

I'm sorry?
I guess you didn't read paragraph four.

 

[Ayrshire Blue]

Lennon is still relatively young and has played precious few more league games than Elvis. He is still learning, has been hampered by injury and is playing in a very disjointed team. Cut him some slack.

Do me a favour, he's 24. He's a fully grown man

 

[Rayleigh boy]

winners and losers ...

Raheem Sterling hurt by weekend loss loses his **** with Gomez -

papers full of Ferdinand and co saying that its not unusual ... just the top guys
wanting it it loads

losers in the boozer with the oppo ...

 

[Tombstone Blues]

I'm sorry?
I guess you didn't read paragraph four.

I have no idea what paragraph of which post you’re referring to. But like has been said.....I’m not sure what his crime is compared with how some fans mourned the loss

 

[Member]

Imagine what Roy Keane would have done the next day in training if this was a Man Utd player back in the day in a similar situation?

Roy Keane was renowned for being out on the ****.

 

[Yorkshire Blue]

Roy Keane was renowned for being out on the ****.

Not sure he had friends though.

 

[Feathers]

He isn't shown with one in the video.



I think people also need to consider how this will look to players being courted by Sol for the January window.

Punishing someone for being seen with friends will come across as just vindictive. Think of it this way: all footballers will know and socialise with players on other sides. These will be the people they grew up, the people they use to work with. Would you want to work for an employer who said you can't socialise with the people you grew up with, the people you use to work with?

As for respect, where's the respect shown for someone who has broken bones on two occasions whilst playing for the club? Respect works both ways. He might not be good but he's trying and putting his body on the line for Southend. He tried to play on with a broken leg last year FFS. If calling players ****s worked as a motivation tactic we'd be top of the table instead of where we are.

I agree with this and your earlier posts on this thread.

If Lennon had gone out on the lash straight after the game in Dover then some of the comments made against him maybe justified. But he has not. He is out locally with friends who he most probably agreed to meet up with prior to the game.

Having made those arrangements it would have been very disrespectful to his friends not to turn up just because he lost. This was a big win for the Dover players (and his friends) whats so wrong with congratulating them on their win?

No doubt had he ducked out of the meeting he could be abused on twitter for being weak or a bad loser or how was afraid to meet up with his friends assuming his team was going to win.

As for disrespecting the fans I guess that's up to each individual but I certainly don't feel disrespected by it.

There seems to be a lot of comments along the lines he deserves everything he gets on social media. Why does someone need to feel the need to abuse any player on twitter - is it to make them feel better or to improve the player. I suspect the former as abuse has never been shown as a way to motivate people.

There is growing trend among fans who think it is perfectly okay and normal to routinely abuse people on social media and then get so so upset if they decide a player has somehow disrespected them

 

[wakes123]

Roy Keane was renowned for being out on the ****.

With the opposition team after losing a match?

 

[Ayrshire Blue]

I agree with this and your earlier posts on this thread.

If Lennon had gone out on the lash straight after the game in Dover then some of the comments made against him maybe justified. But he has not. He is out locally with friends who he most probably agreed to meet up with prior to the game.

Having made those arrangements it would have been very disrespectful to his friends not to turn up just because he lost. This was a big win for the Dover players (and his friends) whats so wrong with congratulating them on their win?

No doubt had he ducked out of the meeting he could be abused on twitter for being weak or a bad loser or how was afraid to meet up with his friends assuming his team was going to win.

As for disrespecting the fans I guess that's up to each individual but I certainly don't feel disrespected by it.

There seems to be a lot of comments along the lines he deserves everything he gets on social media. Why does someone need to feel the need to abuse any player on twitter - is it to make them feel better or to improve the player. I suspect the former as abuse has never been shown as a way to motivate people.

There is growing trend among fans who think it is perfectly okay and normal to routinely abuse people on social media and then get so so upset if they decide a player has somehow disrespected them

I don't think the huge issue here is that he went out. The part that's bothering me is he's ****ting on his own doorstep wearing the club tracksuit and we've just been humiliated on the tele, he could have stuck his hand up to the camera "leave me out of this mate" but no, he sticks his gormless looking face right to the forefront of the vid. He just comes accross incredibly thick.

There is honestly no way he can ever come back from this and I really dont think I'm over reacting, I can never look at that bloke wear a Southend shirt again and feel anything other then sheer disgust