Statement from Ron Martin (16/9/20)

[Leo210856]

Rather unusual for, what in payment processing company to block the funds. Looks like CV19 is taking it's toll. Banks looking out for their self.

Your right.

Cardnet purely provides a processing facility .They are not a credit card provider.Should a chargeback claim be appropriate the claim is against the credit card provider
Lloyds Banking Group will in all likelihood have frozen the payment account linked to the Cardnet facility.
This has nothing to do with matches being played or the like it’s 100% to do with the bank protecting themselves should a claim be made against them by a creditor.

 

[Supa Shrimpa]

What a huge load of waffle. I'm sorry, but he's managed to say a lot, without actually telling us anything that's important.

 

[Leo210856]

This bit of the statement really confuses me

“We are still in that process of re-building to be ready to build again.
Unwittingly Sol Campbell in his efforts to find a winning formula blooded a number of young players and now all of those count as part of our maximum squad size of 23”

I don’t think that’s correct


Why you may ask well here’s the EFL rules re squads for 20/21

43.9 Squad Lists

43.9.1 Clubs shall be permitted to name up to a maximum number of Players in their Squad
List based on the following provisions:

(a) in respect of Championship Clubs, 25 Players of which a minimum of 8 must be a Home Grown Player;

(b) in respect of League One and Two Clubs:
(i) in Season 2020/21, 22 Players of which a minimum of 8 must be a Home Grown Player; and
(ii) in Season 2021/22 and each subsequent Season, 20 Players of which a minimum of 8 must be a Home Grown Player.

The limit set out in Regulation 43.9.1(b)(ii) increases to 22 for any Club relegated into League One, for its first Season following relegation.

43.9.2 The following Players do not need to be included in the Squad List to be eligible to play in League Matches:

(a) in respect of Championship Clubs, any Under 21 Player (save for any Under 21 Player who is registered with the Club on a Temporary Loan Transfer); and

(b) in respect of League One Clubs and League Two Clubs, any Under 21 Players.

 

[FitzMK]

Too late, mentioning "singing players" you've now reminded me of Hoddle and Waddle who I had happily forgotten.

Just to give you another bad memory Kevin Keegan also took to the mic at one time!

 

[Richard Hearn]

Just to give you another bad memory Kevin Keegan also took to the mic at one time!

Crikey, yes! And didn't Terry Venables do a bit of warbling too? The horror, the horror!

 

[FitzMK]

Crikey, yes! And didn't Terry Venables do a bit of warbling too? The horror, the horror!

I believe you’re right - my God!

 

[Barry.C]

So we are allowed 22 players on squad list but Seadon, Bwomono, Mitchell Nelson, Richard Taylor, Tom Clifford, Michael Klass, Eren Kinali, Lewis Gard ,Tyrell Egbri Charlie Kelman, and Matt Rush dont count. ( thats eleven under 22 years ) Ron didnt mention this

He does like the number 6. We had 6 coming in not long ago

 

[Barry.C]

So we have a squad of 10 ( only 10 aged 22 or above )

 

[Yorkshire Blue]

This bit of the statement really confuses me

“We are still in that process of re-building to be ready to build again.
Unwittingly Sol Campbell in his efforts to find a winning formula blooded a number of young players and now all of those count as part of our maximum squad size of 23”

I don’t think that’s correct


Why you may ask well here’s the EFL rules re squads for 20/21

43.9 Squad Lists

43.9.1 Clubs shall be permitted to name up to a maximum number of Players in their Squad
List based on the following provisions:

(a) in respect of Championship Clubs, 25 Players of which a minimum of 8 must be a Home Grown Player;

(b) in respect of League One and Two Clubs:
(i) in Season 2020/21, 22 Players of which a minimum of 8 must be a Home Grown Player; and
(ii) in Season 2021/22 and each subsequent Season, 20 Players of which a minimum of 8 must be a Home Grown Player.

The limit set out in Regulation 43.9.1(b)(ii) increases to 22 for any Club relegated into League One, for its first Season following relegation.

43.9.2 The following Players do not need to be included in the Squad List to be eligible to play in League Matches:

(a) in respect of Championship Clubs, any Under 21 Player (save for any Under 21 Player who is registered with the Club on a Temporary Loan Transfer); and

(b) in respect of League One Clubs and League Two Clubs, any Under 21 Players.

The maximum squad size thing is about preventing further players being registered due to a transfer embargo. There's an exemption to it if the squad size is under 23

This thread may shed some additional light on it

Can we sign players?

53 Non‑payment to Players 53.1 If following written notification from the Professional Footballers’ Association, a Club is found to be in default of any payment due in accordance with a Player's contract or payment in consequence of termination of such contract, The League may place an embargo...

www.shrimperzone.com

 

[Jai]

So we are allowed 22 players on squad list but Seadon, Bwomono, Mitchell Nelson, Richard Taylor, Tom Clifford, Michael Klass, Eren Kinali, Lewis Gard ,Tyrell Egbri Charlie Kelman, and Matt Rush dont count. ( thats eleven under 22 years ) Ron didnt mention this

He does like the number 6. We had 6 coming in not long ago

The rules around the embargo are as clear as mud. But Ron seems pretty confident we'll be able to bring in these players.

I think realistically we have to consider that the club is, at least short-term, in real dire straits. If we can bring these players in, it will certainly help but realistically we're more than four players short of a competent side. If we can be in touch with the rest of the bottom clubs come January 1, with the embargo lifted, that would be a genuinely good outcome for us.

 

[Shrimpet steve]

Little worrying he plans to use season ticket money to pay off HMRC. What is he going to use for the regular day to day running of the club?

Matchday ticket money from fans,will be 2-3 weeks then fans are due back

 

[Shrimpet steve]

The rules around the embargo are as clear as mud. But Ron seems pretty confident we'll be able to bring in these players.

I think realistically we have to consider that the club is, at least short-term, in real dire straits. If we can bring these players in, it will certainly help but realistically we're more than four players short of a competent side. If we can be in touch with the rest of the bottom clubs come January 1, with the embargo lifted, that would be a genuinely good outcome for us.

We will do better then that u watch

 

[blues exile]

I believe you’re right - my God!

Going back in time, the Welsh international John Charles made records in the 50s including 'Sixteen Tons' and in the sixties the Sheff United, Leeds and Sunderland winger Colin Grainger was a professional singer who made records and appeared on a bill with The Beatles

 

[Leo210856]

The maximum squad size thing is about preventing further players being registered due to a transfer embargo. There's an exemption to it if the squad size is under 23

This thread may shed some additional light on it

Can we sign players?

53 Non‑payment to Players 53.1 If following written notification from the Professional Footballers’ Association, a Club is found to be in default of any payment due in accordance with a Player's contract or payment in consequence of termination of such contract, The League may place an embargo...

www.shrimperzone.com

I think that the rules being discussed in that thread have now been superseded.
The quote I posted is from the current rule book and is written following the implementation of the salary cap.

 

[ol blue eyes]

Well we're bookies favourite for the drop the same as last year,so promotion back to league one .....just seen MM walking on water off the pier!!

Was he carrying a Betvictor slip for the 150/1 ew bet he's had on us to win the league as I sincerely hope it's not his money that's shortened us to be the bookies relegation favourites?

 

[Mad Cyril]

So we loan out the kids that aren't up to it and bring in some out of contract experienced pros?

Or can we only sign loanees and non league players?

 

[Yorkshire Blue]

I think that the rules being discussed in that thread have now been superseded.
The quote I posted is from the current rule book and is written following the implementation of the salary cap.

That thread was from August after the salary cap was introduced.

It's quite complicated but the rules you quote deal with squad size whereas the issue here is, despite the talk of squad size, the (in)ability to register new players because of the embargo. There is an exemption to the embargo on new signings if the squad size is less than 23 on an one in one out basis provided that the incoming player is on 3/4 the wages of the outgoing player. The issue we have - until we can have the embargo lifted - is fitting within that embargo exception.

 

[Yorkshire Blue]

So we loan out the kids that aren't up to it and bring in some out of contract experienced pros?

Or can we only sign loanees and non league players?

It doesn't look like it - as their salary would need to be less than the player they are replacing.

 

[Strykr]

Did he really just hint at promotion? Mind blown....

 

[Leo210856]

That thread was from August after the salary cap was introduced.

It's quite complicated but the rules you quote deal with squad size whereas the issue here is, despite the talk of squad size, the (in)ability to register new players because of the embargo. There is an exemption to the embargo on new signings if the squad size is less than 23 on an one in one out basis provided that the incoming player is on 3/4 the wages of the outgoing player. The issue we have - until we can have the embargo lifted - is fitting within that embargo exception.

QUOTE="Yorkshire Blue, post: 2274354, member: 1665"]
That thread was from August after the salary cap was introduced.

The embargo thing you quote is in terms of bringing players in and on what wage using the exception but there is still a limit on the number of over aged 21 year olds you can register and that numbers or 20/21 is 22. Bear in mind the rule cover all of the EFL where some clubs can have up to 25 in their squads

I am not questioning how players can be signed using the embargo rules I am questioning the assertion in the statement that the squad limit is 23 but also why it’s being claimed that academy players have to be listed in the squad list because they have played first team games when clearly if they are aged under 21 they don’t count in the 22