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Supporters Group News ?⚪️SUPPORTERS MEETING January 2022 ?⚪️

Last night was a really good evening, so thanks to @StanCollymore for facilitating it – I came away with positive vibes about the club and its future.

Here are some notes I took for the Mods. last night – not full minutes, just a few things to give a flavour of what was discussed. Apologies if I missed anything or got anything slightly wrong, was trying to listen and type notes at the same time.

Stan started by outlining his motivation for coming back to the club. Most of which we’ve heard from him previously – I underlined three words which he says he’s all about:

“Clarity, transparency and honesty”

Stan talked about what he’s done so far and what the problems were back in June 2021. Started with introducing Tom to Ron, then talked about the Maher recruitment process. One thing I’d not heard before was that a highly rated manager had been interviewed for the job and Stan thought he could be the favourite, however he “winged it” at interview whereas Maher had prepared thoroughly and clearly was highly motivated and very determined to succeed.

Next up - the moratorium on protests. Stan said thank you for it - it is important when players are low on confidence.

Embargo, he knew about it 3 days into his job. He says it made no difference even though we were all shouting about it. They were out and about making contacts, building bridges and watching games. Target list of up to 50 players so they knew where they were going when it was lifted.

John Still brought with him a group of scouts that watch games for fun.

Kev and Darren know a lot of U23 teams and their coaching staff around the country

There is a huge list of big clubs that have offered players to us. The final decision however is down to Kev who decides what he wants.

Just as an aside, Stan said that Carlo Cuddicini called him on the way here (Chelsea loan manager) as an indication of high level contacts who are interested in working with us

How does the football department work?

Between all of them they have contacts at over 100 clubs. On the board of potential targets (about 50 players), every player is watched 3 times

List is whittled down and Tom gives the yes or no on finances. Kev listens to all opinions.

The promised video about the football department is not happening now (moment has passed)

Stan has a role on the commercial side, in fact met sponsors today for lunch in Leigh. He can act as a point of contact for sponsors too.

Media - club can do better. Has got good contacts at Twitter and wants to do it better. Wants to roll out an inside Boots and Laces series on social media and working with the media manager on this

He hopes the club will make us very happy in the lead up to King’s Lynn but he can’t say any more or Tom will sack him!

Questions

Injured players - Bridge, nearly there. Sim probably not this season.

New stadium - not in his remit! But Tom is answering. Development should start in the not too distant future. Ron is leading on it.

Age profile of squad. Is there a long term pathway for young players? Talking about his document “Southend United the future”. Stan would like to see more players stay for longer.

Club Director Gary Lockett talked about the academy and the loss of funding - if we don’t get some funding we may have to make some tough decisions

Why are we different now? Will be facing another embargo in 6 months? Tom came forward to answer this

Tom starts off by talking about how unstructured we were when Phil Brown left. Structure was put in place. Tom did an audit of the whole business. Needed to create a better culture across the club. Creating an environment for success. Negativity doesn’t help.

Embargo came out of the blue, EFL gives you a phone call and a week to sort it out. Situation we were embargoed for was not new, it was historic debt and was the same situation when we did sign players so came as a bit of a shock.

We now have a 32-page business plan. We know what contributions are required from Ron and his companies. Although he can’t guarantee it he has no expectation that we will go into embargo again.Tom likes collaboration.

Without Ron’s financial contribution we would need to find someone else to make things work.

Stan was asked (by me!) about the well qualified recruitment specialist and what happened to him? Apparently John Still was brought in instead as Kev was keen to work with him. Anton Robinson is still involved to supplement the work that John Still does. Tom said he brings something different to what John and Stan bring.

We now have 12 scouts out on a matchday (compared to none when Tom joined)

How realistic is it for us to go up next year with so many big clubs in NL?

Progress is being made, need to have checks and balances for decisions on the footballing side. Better due diligence now taking place - we need to get about 75% of recruitment decisions right to be successful.

Players will come to Southend on loan who won’t go to the likes of Bromley and Boreham Wood because of the size of our crowds. Big clubs like that as they want their young lads to be tested.

Tom said we will maintain a competitive budget but will be slimming down the playing squad - 34 professionals at the moment - too many. Our current playing budget is top 4 in the division.

It was Benno who spotted Ollie Kensdale.

Elvis situation is discussed, we’re still paying him to preserve our compensation rights. Have tried to get him back in the building but agent and Elvis not interested. Stan said it will ring alarm bells with other clubs if a young player is not interested in playing football.

Stan was asked which current players had impressed him most - Steve Arnold, with honourable mentions for Demi, Clifford, Dalby, Murphy, Bridge.

He’d love to have some sessions with Sam Dalby to help him flick the ball on better! Jack Bridge is a quiet lad but has got great potential.

We're creating a better culture around the club for players, Zak Brunt and his Dad very complimentary after he left and nearly resulted us getting another player on loan because Zak had spoken about us positively.

Head of academy advert expires soon, will be further update after that (Tom)

Moving players on is something the football department are dealing with.

Does not paying players give a stigma? To a small extent- maybe 2 or 3 agents/clubs have mentioned it. Stan and the football department trying to talk them round regarding new positive regime.

Budgets already set for next year - we’re top 3 or 4 in terms of budget.

Harrison Neal a young boy with a man’s head on his shoulders, the kind of player Kevin likes – a leader in the dressing room.

In terms of our playing style Stan thinks we will continue to see more performances like Yeovil

Are we facing any sanctions due to pitch invasions or last Saturday? Not as far as Tom is aware

In the last couple of months Ron has been more calm and respectful. Stan doesn’t believe Ron wants to run the club into the ground.

Lots of talk about our potential to work in the community, Stan very complimentary about the Everton model.



All in all a good night, with fans being respectful and asking mainly intelligent questions (nothing about onions in burgers or when Stan’s going to put his boots on!).

Felt that a further night about none playing matters might be good too in order for Tom and the none football team to answer the questions about toilets, ticketing, new stadium, commercial stuff etc.
Another great post ..... can you come and take my meeting minutes please?? ?
 
I do think Elvis is making a mistake not signing a short term deal since he doesn't have any other options but considering we can stop paying him whenever we want so long as we waive the right to compensation from a club that signs him it's a bit unfair to say he's holding us to ransom, we're pretty much doing the same thing to him. If we weren't clinging on for compensation he likely would have had offers on the table (probably with a significant pay rise if he genuinely is one of the lowest earners) but considering he's a defender that's been relegated twice no one is going to pay a fee for him.
I agree with your sentiments, and am additionally mystified by seeing so many acidic comments from fellow SZ members about him.

Although Elvis was nowhere near any of our greatest right backs in terms of ability (and there have been many over the years), his enthusiasm and passion made up for some of his frailties. I liked that!

The club could and by now should have cancelled his contract. I’m sure this situation isn’t great for his mental health. If anyone is to blame it is his agent for misguiding a young lad who just wants play football.

I hope it works out for Elvis in the future and I’d be really happy to see him playing football again.
 
Last night was a really good evening, so thanks to @StanCollymore for facilitating it – I came away with positive vibes about the club and its future.

Here are some notes I took for the Mods. last night – not full minutes, just a few things to give a flavour of what was discussed. Apologies if I missed anything or got anything slightly wrong, was trying to listen and type notes at the same time.

Stan started by outlining his motivation for coming back to the club. Most of which we’ve heard from him previously – I underlined three words which he says he’s all about:

“Clarity, transparency and honesty”

Stan talked about what he’s done so far and what the problems were back in June 2021. Started with introducing Tom to Ron, then talked about the Maher recruitment process. One thing I’d not heard before was that a highly rated manager had been interviewed for the job and Stan thought he could be the favourite, however he “winged it” at interview whereas Maher had prepared thoroughly and clearly was highly motivated and very determined to succeed.

Next up - the moratorium on protests. Stan said thank you for it - it is important when players are low on confidence.

Embargo, he knew about it 3 days into his job. He says it made no difference even though we were all shouting about it. They were out and about making contacts, building bridges and watching games. Target list of up to 50 players so they knew where they were going when it was lifted.

John Still brought with him a group of scouts that watch games for fun.

Kev and Darren know a lot of U23 teams and their coaching staff around the country

There is a huge list of big clubs that have offered players to us. The final decision however is down to Kev who decides what he wants.

Just as an aside, Stan said that Carlo Cuddicini called him on the way here (Chelsea loan manager) as an indication of high level contacts who are interested in working with us

How does the football department work?

Between all of them they have contacts at over 100 clubs. On the board of potential targets (about 50 players), every player is watched 3 times

List is whittled down and Tom gives the yes or no on finances. Kev listens to all opinions.

The promised video about the football department is not happening now (moment has passed)

Stan has a role on the commercial side, in fact met sponsors today for lunch in Leigh. He can act as a point of contact for sponsors too.

Media - club can do better. Has got good contacts at Twitter and wants to do it better. Wants to roll out an inside Boots and Laces series on social media and working with the media manager on this

He hopes the club will make us very happy in the lead up to King’s Lynn but he can’t say any more or Tom will sack him!

Questions

Injured players - Bridge, nearly there. Sim probably not this season.

New stadium - not in his remit! But Tom is answering. Development should start in the not too distant future. Ron is leading on it.

Age profile of squad. Is there a long term pathway for young players? Talking about his document “Southend United the future”. Stan would like to see more players stay for longer.

Club Director Gary Lockett talked about the academy and the loss of funding - if we don’t get some funding we may have to make some tough decisions

Why are we different now? Will be facing another embargo in 6 months? Tom came forward to answer this

Tom starts off by talking about how unstructured we were when Phil Brown left. Structure was put in place. Tom did an audit of the whole business. Needed to create a better culture across the club. Creating an environment for success. Negativity doesn’t help.

Embargo came out of the blue, EFL gives you a phone call and a week to sort it out. Situation we were embargoed for was not new, it was historic debt and was the same situation when we did sign players so came as a bit of a shock.

We now have a 32-page business plan. We know what contributions are required from Ron and his companies. Although he can’t guarantee it he has no expectation that we will go into embargo again.Tom likes collaboration.

Without Ron’s financial contribution we would need to find someone else to make things work.

Stan was asked (by me!) about the well qualified recruitment specialist and what happened to him? Apparently John Still was brought in instead as Kev was keen to work with him. Anton Robinson is still involved to supplement the work that John Still does. Tom said he brings something different to what John and Stan bring.

We now have 12 scouts out on a matchday (compared to none when Tom joined)

How realistic is it for us to go up next year with so many big clubs in NL?

Progress is being made, need to have checks and balances for decisions on the footballing side. Better due diligence now taking place - we need to get about 75% of recruitment decisions right to be successful.

Players will come to Southend on loan who won’t go to the likes of Bromley and Boreham Wood because of the size of our crowds. Big clubs like that as they want their young lads to be tested.

Tom said we will maintain a competitive budget but will be slimming down the playing squad - 34 professionals at the moment - too many. Our current playing budget is top 4 in the division.

It was Benno who spotted Ollie Kensdale.

Elvis situation is discussed, we’re still paying him to preserve our compensation rights. Have tried to get him back in the building but agent and Elvis not interested. Stan said it will ring alarm bells with other clubs if a young player is not interested in playing football.

Stan was asked which current players had impressed him most - Steve Arnold, with honourable mentions for Demi, Clifford, Dalby, Murphy, Bridge.

He’d love to have some sessions with Sam Dalby to help him flick the ball on better! Jack Bridge is a quiet lad but has got great potential.

We're creating a better culture around the club for players, Zak Brunt and his Dad very complimentary after he left and nearly resulted us getting another player on loan because Zak had spoken about us positively.

Head of academy advert expires soon, will be further update after that (Tom)

Moving players on is something the football department are dealing with.

Does not paying players give a stigma? To a small extent- maybe 2 or 3 agents/clubs have mentioned it. Stan and the football department trying to talk them round regarding new positive regime.

Budgets already set for next year - we’re top 3 or 4 in terms of budget.

Harrison Neal a young boy with a man’s head on his shoulders, the kind of player Kevin likes – a leader in the dressing room.

In terms of our playing style Stan thinks we will continue to see more performances like Yeovil

Are we facing any sanctions due to pitch invasions or last Saturday? Not as far as Tom is aware

In the last couple of months Ron has been more calm and respectful. Stan doesn’t believe Ron wants to run the club into the ground.

Lots of talk about our potential to work in the community, Stan very complimentary about the Everton model.



All in all a good night, with fans being respectful and asking mainly intelligent questions (nothing about onions in burgers or when Stan’s going to put his boots on!).

Felt that a further night about none playing matters might be good too in order for Tom and the none football team to answer the questions about toilets, ticketing, new stadium, commercial stuff etc.
Great summary! Thanks for sharing.

Got to set my alarm for the next event
 
I agree with your sentiments, and am additionally mystified by seeing so many acidic comments from fellow SZ members about him.

Although Elvis was nowhere near any of our greatest right backs in terms of ability (and there have been many over the years), his enthusiasm and passion made up for some of his frailties. I liked that!

The club could and by now should have cancelled his contract. I’m sure this situation isn’t great for his mental health. If anyone is to blame it is his agent for misguiding a young lad who just wants play football.

I hope it works out for Elvis in the future and I’d be really happy to see him playing football again.

Elvis’ agent didn’t misguide him. Elvis doesn’t want to be at Southend, this is 100% Elvis’ decision, nothing to do with his agent, managers, chairman, CEOs, Stan or anyone. Purely Elvis’ decision.

Why would we cancel his contract? We are entitled to compensation for another two years if he does pick up a new Club, so why would we not want any fees/sell ons/bonuses etc?

Elvis has made his bed, and has to lay in it.
 
Why would we cancel his contract? We are entitled to compensation for another two years if he does pick up a new Club, so why would we not want any fees/sell ons/bonuses etc?
Realistically would anyone actually be willing to pay a fee for Elvis at this point? Surely if there was interest in him it would have happened by now, his value is only going to drop the longer he's out of the game (which is why I think he's making a bad decision in not signing for us even if he doesn't want to be here).
 
Realistically would anyone actually be willing to pay a fee for Elvis at this point? Surely if there was interest in him it would have happened by now, his value is only going to drop the longer he's out of the game (which is why I think he's making a bad decision in not signing for us even if he doesn't want to be here).

Football is a funny game, somebody might. It only takes an injury or a loss of form to a starting right back for eyes to be looking around.

I think it’s more potential sell ons etc. let’s say he signs for someone this month, gets up to speed (be difficult as he isn’t training with anyone) and hits the ground running. He gets rave reviews, makes team of the year, a championship side club come sniffing in the Summe and spend £1m for him.

Those moaning saying we should forgo any future fees etc so a kid, who doesn’t want to play for us, can go to another club will be moaning that we don’t have a sell on and get part of that £1m.

Also, he could go to someone in our division. He could join Weymouth, and come the last day of the season they overtake us and we go down and Elvis has scored the goal that sends us down. Or we go on a storming run to the play offs, and Elvis’s new club take that last spot ahead of us.

All hypothetical obviously, but stranger things have happened.

Anyways, this thread is becoming another thread about Elvis. He is an ex-shrimper, through his own choice.
 
Wit
I agree with your sentiments, and am additionally mystified by seeing so many acidic comments from fellow SZ members about him.

Although Elvis was nowhere near any of our greatest right backs in terms of ability (and there have been many over the years), his enthusiasm and passion made up for some of his frailties. I liked that!

The club could and by now should have cancelled his contract. I’m sure this situation isn’t great for his mental health. If anyone is to blame it is his agent for misguiding a young lad who just wants play football.

I hope it works out for Elvis in the future and I’d be really happy to see him playing football again.
Without sounding negative his passion and enthusiasm for the game must be extremely poor now considering he is happy to just throw it all away. After his last game didn’t he say he didn’t want to leave and loved it here or something along them lines which is hard to believe. I also would be disappointed if he did re-sign for us now as like you said people liked him for his passion and I can’t see how he would have that if he came back to us just for the sake of it.

It is a shame because he was even getting called up for his national team and had played so many games at such a young age but this is the problem with agents at times.
 
Elvis’ agent didn’t misguide him. Elvis doesn’t want to be at Southend, this is 100% Elvis’ decision, nothing to do with his agent, managers, chairman, CEOs, Stan or anyone. Purely Elvis’ decision.

Why would we cancel his contract? We are entitled to compensation for another two years if he does pick up a new Club, so why would we not want any fees/sell ons/bonuses etc?

Elvis has made his bed, and has to lay in it.
You know more than I do, so appreciate the clarity.

Are we (SUFC) still paying his salary though? Surely the longer this drags on the less ‘sellable’ he becomes and less likelihood he will get a club willing to pay anything. Bad situation all round.

Elvis is a silly boy it would seem.
 
Isn't the article from the Dartford FC site a refreshing change and again a sign of what Stan was talking about on Tuesday, what we would be aiming for as a club since he has been at the club:

"We would like to thank Southend United and Noor Musin for the way they conducted themselves in this matter....."

Stan said right at the beginning that the rebuild was in both structure and culture. Again, on Tuesday he said, when listing what had been achieved, he had set out on delivering what he had stated many times, we are building bridges up and down the leagues.

Surely, although not all down to him, he is without a doubt a major element in the driving force behind this upturn in personna the club is now putting out and a demonstration it is working, from a source outside the club.

I hope some of the doubters, in Stan and the new team brought in, have enough of an open mind to at least take on board the signs that things are changing and genuinely for the better this time around. Small steps at a time, but if they are acknowledged as and when they occur, then Southend United as a club and Shrimperzone as a forum will be a much more positive place to be.

UTB
 
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I've only now managed to read this thread in full.

As one of the exiles could I just thank all who have posted their summaries on here - it really is very much appreciated.

Oh..... and it seems like we may have got ourselves a proper football club again!

Now get down to Roots Hall tonight and give everyone a bloody good wall of noise.
 
Any news on these returning? I know there was going to be one in Feb and we are now a week into March. Was it a one and done?
 
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