A question: why Brown and not Tilson?

[Yorkshire Blue]

Why Brown and not Tilson?

If you had to go back to a former manager as caretaker wouldn't Tilly have made more sense? A local hero who rescued us from relegation to the conference once before (staying up with Tilly and Brush). Someone who would have brought back the feelgood factor and united everyone. Someone whose defining managerial trait was giving confidence to players to attack and try things.

To the extent Brown would have made any sense it would have been last season when we were shipping 3 goals every game and needed to tighten up defensively. But Molesley's already done that. What we need is someone who can unlock goals at the other end and that's more Tilly than Brown. Plus If you want someone to provide a bit of bounce that's more Tilly than Brown as well. Brown's first 6 games in taking over a faltering promotion push team were

Bradford (A) 2-2 D
Fleetwood (H) 1-1 D
Crewe LDV (N) 0-2 L with 8 defenders
Rochdale (A) 2-4 L
Bristol Rovers (H) 0-0 D
Aldershot (A) 2-0 W
6 points from 6 games - one less than the form over the last 6 games that got Molesley the sack. The final two games were defeats as well.

Tilly's first 6 games in taking over a relegation threatened side were
Rochdale (H) 4-0 W
Torquay (A) 0-3 L
Lincoln FA Cup (H) 3-0 W
Luton LDV (H) 3-0 W
Swansea (A) 3-2 W - with 8 men
Bristol Rovers (H) 0-1 don't let Drewe take penalties
4 wins from 6 and 13 goals scored

 

[Onion_Bag_Dave]

Why Brown and not Tilson?

What we need is someone who can unlock goals at the other end and that's more Tilly than Brown.

I get your point but Tilly unlocked goals through signing Freddy Eastwood. I'm not saying Tilson didn't have know how. But it helps to have a Eastwood & Shaun Goater there.

 

[Member]

Why Brown and not Tilson?

If you had to go back to a former manager as caretaker wouldn't Tilly have made more sense? A local hero who rescued us from relegation to the conference once before (staying up with Tilly and Brush). Someone who would have brought back the feelgood factor and united everyone. Someone whose defining managerial trait was giving confidence to players to attack and try things.

To the extent Brown would have made any sense it would have been last season when we were shipping 3 goals every game and needed to tighten up defensively. But Molesley's already done that. What we need is someone who can unlock goals at the other end and that's more Tilly than Brown. Plus If you want someone to provide a bit of bounce that's more Tilly than Brown as well. Brown's first 6 games in taking over a faltering promotion push team were

Bradford (A) 2-2 D
Fleetwood (H) 1-1 D
Crewe LDV (N) 0-2 L with 8 defenders
Rochdale (A) 2-4 L
Bristol Rovers (H) 0-0 D
Aldershot (A) 2-0 W
6 points from 6 games - one less than the form over the last 6 games that got Molesley the sack. The final two games were defeats as well.

Tilly's first 6 games in taking over a relegation threatened side were
Rochdale (H) 4-0 W
Torquay (A) 0-3 L
Lincoln FA Cup (H) 3-0 W
Luton LDV (H) 3-0 W
Swansea (A) 3-2 W - with 8 men
Bristol Rovers (H) 0-1 don't let Drewe take penalties
4 wins from 6 and 13 goals scored

Maybe Tilly didn't want it?

 

[Mad Cyril]

Phil Brown brings a touch of showbiz glamour to the club that has been missing ever since since Phil Brown left.

 

[shrimperjon]

Wouldnt mind Tilly back if we go down, but suspect Fagan would get it and id be happy with that also. Re Brown, he has the experience probably more than Tilly for the situation and would be hard for Tilly to take over and deal with possible relegation. Brown has nothing to lose, stay up he is a hero, go down it wont be on him and he will probably leave anyway. Think Brown will be more aggressive in his approach and thats what the players need. A reality check and a kick up the arse

 

[SUBBlue]

Why Brown and not Tilson?

If you had to go back to a former manager as caretaker wouldn't Tilly have made more sense? A local hero who rescued us from relegation to the conference once before (staying up with Tilly and Brush). Someone who would have brought back the feelgood factor and united everyone. Someone whose defining managerial trait was giving confidence to players to attack and try things.

To the extent Brown would have made any sense it would have been last season when we were shipping 3 goals every game and needed to tighten up defensively. But Molesley's already done that. What we need is someone who can unlock goals at the other end and that's more Tilly than Brown. Plus If you want someone to provide a bit of bounce that's more Tilly than Brown as well. Brown's first 6 games in taking over a faltering promotion push team were

Bradford (A) 2-2 D
Fleetwood (H) 1-1 D
Crewe LDV (N) 0-2 L with 8 defenders
Rochdale (A) 2-4 L
Bristol Rovers (H) 0-0 D
Aldershot (A) 2-0 W
6 points from 6 games - one less than the form over the last 6 games that got Molesley the sack. The final two games were defeats as well.

Tilly's first 6 games in taking over a relegation threatened side were
Rochdale (H) 4-0 W
Torquay (A) 0-3 L
Lincoln FA Cup (H) 3-0 W
Luton LDV (H) 3-0 W
Swansea (A) 3-2 W - with 8 men
Bristol Rovers (H) 0-1 don't let Drewe take penalties
4 wins from 6 and 13 goals scored

Probably because Tilson has just accepted the coaching role with Paul Brush at the PFA

It was reported in Wednesdays Echo

“EX Southend United manager Steve Tilson is relishing being reunited with his former assistant Paul Brush.”

Read more on this story

 

[Strykr]

Why Brown and not Tilson?

If you had to go back to a former manager as caretaker wouldn't Tilly have made more sense? A local hero who rescued us from relegation to the conference once before (staying up with Tilly and Brush). Someone who would have brought back the feelgood factor and united everyone. Someone whose defining managerial trait was giving confidence to players to attack and try things.

To the extent Brown would have made any sense it would have been last season when we were shipping 3 goals every game and needed to tighten up defensively. But Molesley's already done that. What we need is someone who can unlock goals at the other end and that's more Tilly than Brown. Plus If you want someone to provide a bit of bounce that's more Tilly than Brown as well. Brown's first 6 games in taking over a faltering promotion push team were

Bradford (A) 2-2 D
Fleetwood (H) 1-1 D
Crewe LDV (N) 0-2 L with 8 defenders
Rochdale (A) 2-4 L
Bristol Rovers (H) 0-0 D
Aldershot (A) 2-0 W
6 points from 6 games - one less than the form over the last 6 games that got Molesley the sack. The final two games were defeats as well.

Tilly's first 6 games in taking over a relegation threatened side were
Rochdale (H) 4-0 W
Torquay (A) 0-3 L
Lincoln FA Cup (H) 3-0 W
Luton LDV (H) 3-0 W
Swansea (A) 3-2 W - with 8 men
Bristol Rovers (H) 0-1 don't let Drewe take penalties
4 wins from 6 and 13 goals scored

I think martin likes brown more. Simple as that. Plus tilly needs brush imo.

 

[Yorkshire Blue]

I get your point but Tilly unlocked goals through signing Freddy Eastwood. I'm not saying Tilson didn't have know how. But it helps to have a Eastwood & Shaun Goater there.

Eastwood was signed a season later; Goater two seasons later.

His starting forwards for the 4-0 win v Rochdale and 3-0 win v Lincoln were Bramble and Corbett.

 

[Onion_Bag_Dave]

Eastwood was signed a season later; Goater two seasons later.

His starting forwards for the 4-0 win v Rochdale and 3-0 win v Lincoln were Bramble and Corbett.

Our squad was far superior to what it is now? No?

 

[Chapperz]

Why not Chris Powell?

4 wins, 1 draw and 1 defeat from his first 6 games in charge which included 10 goals scored.

Looking at the results, at least Tilson brought back the fight in the team. Especially against Swansea which saw us get 3 red cards!

 

[Jay_SUFC]

You can't compare PBs and STs first 6 games. PB was brought in at the end of the season with purely the focus on the season after (who he would keep etc). There was no aim to get results at the end of that season.

 

[Yorkshire Blue]

Our squad was far superior to what it is now? No?

Our squad for Brown's first eight games in charge when he managed just six points was indeed much superior to what it is now.

 

[Yorkshire Blue]

You can't compare PBs and STs first 6 games. PB was brought in at the end of the season with purely the focus on the season after (who he would keep etc). There was no aim to get results at the end of that season.

Phil Brown from his introductory press conference
"“We’ve got seven league games between now and the end of the season, hopefully we can put a winning run together and give ourselves a chance of reaching the play-offs."

Bradford were below us at the time but got promoted via the play-offs.

 

[Jay_SUFC]

Phil Brown from his introductory press conference
"“We’ve got seven league games between now and the end of the season, hopefully we can put a winning run together and give ourselves a chance of reaching the play-offs."

Bradford were below us at the time but got promoted via the play-offs.

He's not exactly going to come in and say "we're not really bothered about this season now!".

The point I was making is there was no expectation to get results, even if there was an outside chance of making the playoffs.

 

[fbm]

Eastwood was signed a season later; Goater two seasons later.

His starting forwards for the 4-0 win v Rochdale and 3-0 win v Lincoln were Bramble and Corbett.

Ah yes, Steptoe and Son.

 

[Whispering Bob]

Why not Chris Powell?

4 wins, 1 draw and 1 defeat from his first 6 games in charge which included 10 goals scored.

Looking at the results, at least Tilson brought back the fight in the team. Especially against Swansea which saw us get 3 red cards!

Every time I see Chris Powell's beaming smile, as he puts the cream of English football through their paces at St George's, it warms my cockles. Why the hell would he want to come back here?

 

[hlane17]

Every time I see Chris Powell's beaming smile, as he puts the cream of English football through their paces at St George's, it warms my ****les. Why the hell would he want to come back here?

Fantastic guy and deserves to be working with the top quality lads he's around nowadays. He had enough on his plate last time he was here.

 

[Strike Force]

Wasn't Tilson last managing a college women's team?

I'd wonder how many of the current squad have actually heard of him.

 

[rigsby]

Why Brown and not Tilson?

If you had to go back to a former manager as caretaker wouldn't Tilly have made more sense? A local hero who rescued us from relegation to the conference once before (staying up with Tilly and Brush). Someone who would have brought back the feelgood factor and united everyone. Someone whose defining managerial trait was giving confidence to players to attack and try things.

To the extent Brown would have made any sense it would have been last season when we were shipping 3 goals every game and needed to tighten up defensively. But Molesley's already done that. What we need is someone who can unlock goals at the other end and that's more Tilly than Brown. Plus If you want someone to provide a bit of bounce that's more Tilly than Brown as well. Brown's first 6 games in taking over a faltering promotion push team were

Bradford (A) 2-2 D
Fleetwood (H) 1-1 D
Crewe LDV (N) 0-2 L with 8 defenders
Rochdale (A) 2-4 L
Bristol Rovers (H) 0-0 D
Aldershot (A) 2-0 W
6 points from 6 games - one less than the form over the last 6 games that got Molesley the sack. The final two games were defeats as well.

Tilly's first 6 games in taking over a relegation threatened side were
Rochdale (H) 4-0 W
Torquay (A) 0-3 L
Lincoln FA Cup (H) 3-0 W
Luton LDV (H) 3-0 W
Swansea (A) 3-2 W - with 8 men
Bristol Rovers (H) 0-1 don't let Drewe take penalties
4 wins from 6 and 13 goals scored

So cup games count as league games when the suit a theory?

PB lost 1 from 5 Tilly 2 from 4 is another way of looking at it. Not that those stats are in any way important as its more to do with PB being available and knowing half the starting 11. Tilly has been out of the game for far to long, unless Ron has him in mind for next season if we do end up in the NL......That way Ron gets 2 goes at L2 football in just over 12 months.

 

[Yorkshire Blue]

So cup games count as league games when the suit a theory?

PB lost 1 from 5 Tilly 2 from 4 is another way of looking at it. Not that those stats are in any way important as its more to do with PB being available and knowing half the starting 11. Tilly has been out of the game for far to long, unless Ron has him in mind for next season if we do end up in the NL......That way Ron gets 2 goes at L2 football in just over 12 months.

If you don't want to count cup games Brown got 6 points from his first 6 league games in charge; Tilly 9 points. Either way 6 points isn't going to cut it.

Brown knows 3 players from the last starting XI. One he didn't play, one he played in another position and the keeper. He knows the injured White as well- who also played under Tilly.