Memory Lane All-Time Draft: The Final - poll now added

[shallowshrimper]

Too close to call really but I just have to go for a team with Best, Crown and Cadette up front

 

[Spaceman Spiff]

Not at all, from the competition rules:

When voting and determining which side was best we can take into account things like the number of appearances they made for us, the goals they scored in a Southend shirt, the honours they won, the level they played at and the transfer fees they went for.

So, out of 5 criteria above Team A wins 3:

number of appearances for Southend (Team A)
goals scored for Southend (Team A)
Honours won with Southend (Team A)
Level played at with Southend (Team B)
Transfer fees (Team B)

More reasons that Team A will win this

 

[Ricky Otto]

Don't even think this is close, Team A is a good team but Team B is something special, full of championship quality

 

[Napster]

Don't you mean Team B demolishes Team A if you are referring to midfield supremacy and Stan?

ah yes. my bad.

 

[Napster]

Peter Watson would have handled Collymore.

 

[Yorkshire Blue]

So, out of 5 criteria above Team A wins 3:

number of appearances for Southend (Team A)
goals scored for Southend (Team A)
Honours won with Southend (Team A)
Level played at with Southend (Team B)
Transfer fees (Team B)

More reasons that Team A will win this

Hang on, you're changing the criteria. Neither honours won nor levels played at was limited to Southend in the rules.

We need a smiley which is a ref showing a yellow card.

 

[Spaceman Spiff]

Hang on, you're changing the criteria. Neither honours won nor levels played at was limited to Southend in the rules.

We need a smiley which is a ref showing a yellow card.

Ah, so it’s an all time draft of football overall with a proviso that anyone included must have visited roots hall at some point?

 

[Yorkshire Blue]

Ah, so it’s an all time draft of football overall with a proviso that anyone included must have visited roots hall at some point?

No, it's a draft of the best players to have played for Southend. What they achieved elsewhere can help us objectively measure their quality. It's not the only measure but it is additional data.

 

[Spaceman Spiff]

No, it's a draft of the best players to have played for Southend. What they achieved elsewhere can help us objectively measure their quality. It's not the only measure but it is additional data.

Indeed. But it should not eclipse achievements for Southend. We’re Southend fans first and foremost

 

[Ricky Otto]

Indeed. But it should not eclipse achievements for Southend. We’re Southend fans first and foremost

No but lets take Bentley as an example, for me he was championship quality when he played here, the rest of the team were not though. I believe that is validated by the fact that he stepped straight up in the championship and is still playing there now. In contrast you have Jack Payne who got a championship move but didn't cement a regular spot at Huddersfield and has been playing in league one for the past couple of seasons on loan.

 

[Spaceman Spiff]

No but lets take Bentley as an example, for me he was championship quality when he played here, the rest of the team were not though. I believe that is validated by the fact that he stepped straight up in the championship and is still playing there now. In contrast you have Jack Payne who got a championship move but didn't cement a regular spot at Huddersfield and has been playing in league one for the past couple of seasons on loan.

Ryan Leonard from my team would be a better comparison

 

[Ricky Otto]

Ryan Leonard from my team would be a better comparison

He struggled at first and was let go by Sheffield united so I don't see how he is a better comparison? proving himself now though, i'll give you that.

 

[Yorkshire Blue]

Indeed. But it should not eclipse achievements for Southend. We’re Southend fans first and foremost

Yet you picked Peter Taylor, someone who wasn't an automatic selection at Southend (something like a quarter of his apperances were off the bench) and whose potential only began to be realised after he moved on

So is what people go on to do relevant or not? You can't have it both ways!

I still contend that it is what people do for Southend that matters most. I saw all of Whelan's games and yes, he could pick out a pass, but he couldn't run and his efforts in management relegate him to being more harm than good at Southend.

(FWIW we established in earlier rounds that we're treating managing and playing careers separately, which is just as well for you when you picked Spud)

The bigger problem you've got is that you're going to be completely overrun and outclassed in midfield. fbm's midfield is probably the best in the draft whilst you are going with a 3 man midfield when one of them is a winger. Without control of the midfield, nor a target man to help bypass the midfield, your star forward line is going to be starved of opportunities.

 

[Spaceman Spiff]

Yet you picked Peter Taylor, someone who wasn't an automatic selection at Southend (something like a quarter of his apperances were off the bench) and whose potential only began to be realised after he moved on



(FWIW we established in earlier rounds that we're treating managing and playing careers separately, which is just as well for you when you picked Spud)

The bigger problem you've got is that you're going to be completely overrun and outclassed in midfield. fbm's midfield is probably the best in the draft whilst you are going with a 3 man midfield when one of them is a winger. Without control of the midfield, nor a target man to help bypass the midfield, your star forward line is going to be starved of opportunities.

Bitter that my team thrashed yours in the last round much?

 

[Firestorm]

Basically its going to be down to which out of McNally and Westley make the most mistakes.

 

[Yorkshire Blue]

Bitter that my team thrashed yours in the last round much?

Was I bitter when I made the same argument in previous rounds before I was knocked out?

Can understand why you would want to dodge the question of how your midfield would cope though.

 

[Spaceman Spiff]

Was I bitter when I made the same argument in previous rounds before I was knocked out?

Can understand why you would want to dodge the question of how your midfield would cope though.

You were wrong then (and thrashed to prove it) and are wrong again now. I'll give you marks for consistency though!

 

[fbm]

Bump.

Still 2 days left to vote...

 

[fbm]

Never in doubt.

Unlucky @Spaceman Spiff

 

[Spaceman Spiff]

Never in doubt.

Unlucky @Spaceman Spiff

Well done mate, I’m well pleased to have made the final and been competitive in that too, without ever challenging for the title it must be said. Team Spiff have done me proud.