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Post-Match Thread and Ratings Altrincham 1-0 Southend United

Playing devil's advocate, are there any players that have improved? Otherwise its a very significant clear out that could write next season off too.

I’d say that Kensdale, Hobson, Bridge, Miley, Cardwell (when fit), GSM and even Powell are probably having the best seasons of their careers under the current management team.

Even Blondy improved from inept to poor.

People saying 'The Alty commentators said we should have won' - what the **** were they watching?

Oliver Byrne made 1 save all match! (Powell missed, a defender cleared the open goal in the first half).

Alty had 5 shots in the first half alone, many went over the goal but at least they were shooting!

How any saves did Arnold make?
Another week another copy cat post so this is not a knee jerk reaction but a consistent opinion.

Football is about results and consistency. One game v Barnet doesn't mean anything.

On the whole, games have been average. Team setup, formation and selection all negative. Yes saved us from relegation to obscurity, added his own players and stamp on the team.

I respect immensely other opinions of outside influences, tired, embargoes etc. I also respect what the team have achieved in relation to the external factors.

On the whole, we have good players. Mooney didn't become a bad player over night for example. Players are being played out of position. Powell is not a striker. Ralph is not a central defender. Gus is a right back. Bridge is an attacking midfielder. All players have their skills, abilities and mentality. Put square pieces in round holes you're going to see disappoint which is echoed through all of these posts

I do find it hard to understand how some fans can't see or understand the impact of the setup. There are too many examples of where teams perform better with the same players and different setups, mentality and formations. You can't argue with proof points.

Brentford 352 - now 433 because they didn't score enough. Man United progress. Brighton potter 352/343 struggles to score but now 4321 with a different manager and a real intent to attack and in the euro places (and potters Chelsea struggling to score with some of the most creative and talented players in the league). I bet whomever takes over at spurs will rip apart Contes 343 formation that also flatters to deceive.

In our own history Barry fry takes over Southend implements attacking football and we hit the heights of div 1, Peter Taylor comes along implements 532 and looked what happened there. Steve Thompson takes over rips up 532 and implements 433 and saves us from relegation as we start scoring and making chances.

We keep playing the same way and getting the same outcomes. No plan b at all just replace players late on. 3 scoring chances in a game isn't enough despite the posession. I would also argue how many of the opportunities are clear goal scoring. At this level you need to create at least 5-6 clear chances with the ability to convert.

Play a possession game with 3-4 attacking players, 7-8 defensive players and a back 3/5 simply isn't working to generate consistent results, compete v the best teams and create enough chances to score more than one if score at all. It's the same comments weekly. Some fans think it's external factors, some think we need new players, some keep blaming Ron. All have a role to play but it you don't setup the team right, have plan bs and implement the right balance of attack and defence we won't deliver consistent results, score goals and entertain.

We don't have the luxury of new players and even if we did it's highly unlikely we would add 4-5 big hitters that would mean our approach to minimise a mistake and score one goal would become a success. Adding new strikers isn't the answer either

Wrexham have arguable the best team of players in the league and play a similar way to Southend. They're up there but not walking it.

Football is supposed to be about scoring goals, winning consistently against all teams and entertainment.

At the start of the season, I said we would win a few, lose more, continue to play the same way game after game, sniff the play offs because we have better players than most and finish upper mid table. I suggested that Maher might be gone by the end of the season but that was without being privy to the terrible events weve experienced - I don't believe that will happen because we've had too much uncertainty.

I would love to be wrong.

I for one and this is my opinion - which we all have and are welcome to - is that this current structure, team setup, mentality will not get us promoted ever.

Great coach but Maher doesn't have my support as a football manager.
And yet Bridge playing wingback is having the best season of his career, Gus made the England C team, Ralph played the best football of his career at LCB, Powell had no career until he was converted from a winger to play down the middle.
There is a counter argument here.
Players are obviously short of confidence, there is a collective “downer” on everything.
Loosing lapata may have been the straw that broke the camels back. NONE of us know how all of the ****e this year has impacted the team. Before they were paid they had a siege mentality “we are all in this together “ we have a common enemy (Ron). Sometimes this brings out the best in people.
Now they have been paid and arguably our best asset has walked.

As an aide I totally get why the strikers always want another touch.
I work in an office , I know that if one of my guys makes a big mistake they will be useless for the next couple of days and will doubt themselves on everything they do and want to check their work/ not volunteer etc, football is no different, you want that extra touch so less chances of a mistake, you don’t make the point of making yourself available for a pass, or gambling on what might happen. Some of this you do consciously , some sun consciously.
We desperately need some “good news” and a win
Absolutely great post. It is confidence what is missing. The difference between us now and at Barnet is confidence. We weren’t tactically outplayed Saturday or at Borehamwood. The tactics worked better than the finishing. This is a division where momentum goes a long way.
 
Isn’t he still our leading scorer. Hopeless is a bit much…
Yes, I wasn’t bothering to reply to anyone labelling Powell as hopeless.As I’ve said elsewhere,he is one of several attackers,especially Bridge and Mooney, who Maher,with his tactical ineptitude,is unable to exploit to score goals.
 
Yes, I wasn’t bothering to reply to anyone labelling Powell as hopeless.As I’ve said elsewhere,he is one of several attackers,especially Bridge and Mooney, who Maher,with his tactical ineptitude,is unable to exploit to score goals.
Haven’t Powell and Bridge scored more goals under Maher than any other manager they’ve played for?
 
Haven’t Powell and Bridge scored more goals under Maher than any other manager they’ve played for?
I’m pretty sure Powell scored a lot more goals at his previous club.
I wouldn’t really expect Bridge to score too many goals himself —-his incredible wing-play should have led to literally dozens more goals.
 
I’m pretty sure Powell scored a lot more goals at his previous club.
I wouldn’t really expect Bridge to score too many goals himself —-his incredible wing-play should have led to literally dozens more goals.
Yes, Jack Bridge's wing play is really good, he gets crosses in but our so called attacking midfielders don't anticipate or gamble on making a run into the box to get on the end of them.
 
Yes, Jack Bridge's wing play is really good, he gets crosses in but our so called attacking midfielders don't anticipate or gamble on making a run into the box to get on the end of them.
If we had a fit Anthony Wordsworth, right now, the version he was when at the blues he would have 10-15 goals by now and mostly assisted by Bridge. This is because when Bridge gets to the by line and charges towards the near post, there is never any CMs coming in for the pull back. Wordsworth would have been all over Bridges pull backs
 
Yes, I wasn’t bothering to reply to anyone labelling Powell as hopeless.As I’ve said elsewhere,he is one of several attackers,especially Bridge and Mooney, who Maher,with his tactical ineptitude,is unable to exploit to score goals.
One could argue that it's just as bad to call Maher tactically inept as calling Powell hopeless. I think both view points are harsh. Their are obvious mitigating circumstances for both people in question. What I will say though, Maher is a really inexperienced manager learning his trade and wil make mistakes and hopefully learn from them. Comparatively, Powell has been playing a long time now and is 27 years old. There are parts of his game that he should have developed by his age and he seemingly hasn't. Yes, he scored goals at his previous club but that was the league below. Goodship was a prolific goalscorer lower down the leagues and look how that worked out. Yes, Powell has scored goals this season but so has Aquah. In fact, the latter has more. Are we suggesting he is good enough?

Not one person can honestly blame the manager for players missing penalties and missing chances from 6 yards out. Maybe, just maybe, the players aren't good enough to be challenging for the playoffs and we will finish exactly where we are supposed to be finishing with the squad available. The one top element we had in our team was our defense. Like Boreham Wood, we were winning games by utilising that amazing defense and not conceding goals. Then we lose Lopata and it's game over.

Any talk of Maher & Co and their tactics being the problem is ridiculous in my opinion and people should be really careful what they wish for. They leave in the summer, we are done for.
 
Of course we are all entitled to our opinions but two things stand out here which you don’t address and I was interested to know.

1. Who would you want as manager and expect to want to come here and;
2. How would you change the team and who would you play in those positions?

And also…Wrexham are 26 points clear of 3rd place having 97 points, won 30 of 39 this season and have scored more than 100 goals. To say they are not “walking it” seems a little untrue! I know Notts are close but these are two exceptional sides.
My thoughts are not really about who to take over. I think that's a debate in itself. My point is that Maher is not the right person to lead the tram as manager. There are 2 other storing coaches with mgt experience working alongside him who Kay have alternative views.

I've shared a fair bit about team changes in other posts. Highlights would be removing the 5 at the back. I'd look at some of the prior mentioned teams as inspiration a 4231 or 433 formation (Brighton / Brentford both playing well in the premier League and cited inspiration for lower league teams). I think 442 has the same inherent challenges as 343 with 2 center mids being overrun

Gus at right back where he played before coming to Southend (as I'm led to believe). Ralph at left back where he has played most of his career. Not sure I agree with the post about him being at his best on the left in a back 3. Both of the above are great as overlapping full backs.

Miley an ever present with a fonguck or husin in the 4231 with bridge Powell Mooney ahead of them and a cardwell upfront. Mooney and powell were brought here with reputations as wider attacking players (hence the initial 343 (until we realised the midfield kept getting over run).

Fair point on Wrexham but my point was more that they have arguably the best and most exceptional squad of players.
 
If we had a fit Anthony Wordsworth, right now, the version he was when at the blues he would have 10-15 goals by now and mostly assisted by Bridge. This is because when Bridge gets to the by line and charges towards the near post, there is never any CMs coming in for the pull back. Wordsworth would have been all over Bridges pull backs
Agree with you, Wordsworth was probably the last goalscoring midfielder we have had. He was excellent from free kicks often finding the net directly. When was the last time we had a free kick specialist? Clifford scored a couple about 2 years ago. Our record from corners and free kicks this season is really poor.
 
Just out of curious interest, do you speak to people in person in the same manner that you speak (type?) to people on here?

Good question. Have I ever used the phrase "well that's me told" in real life?

Yeah.

When I showed concern for Murkeys recent posts and offered an ear if he needed to talk, is that something I'd do face to face? Absolutely.

Do I swear, yes sir.

I've replied to your posts before where I've thought they you were a bit condescending. Bit like the one I've quoted. Pointing things out in bold etc.

I've never assumed that isn't how you would communicate in real life. To be honest I've never thought to ask.

This will no doubt be edited, so all that is seen is your perpetual digs.

You are backing Kev. Good on you. At no point have I stated anything as fact. I even said so in my post. Just an opinion of a fan who goes to games.

I've not called for Kevs head. I've just posted some words on the Internet.

A recurring theme is that the coaching team have significant coaching qualifications. On that basis, no one should even question Feeguson, Wenger, Potter, Moyes et al because they are qualified and the majority of fans are not.

If you genuinely think that losing 6 in a row and the poor performances have nothing at all to do with the coaching team, that's 100 per cent cool.

Doesn't make me wrong or you right. It's just opinions. Which I believe is the purpose of this space. With football opinions, particularly when there is a passion for the club, no one is right or wrong 100 percent of the time.

Unless of course you have a coaching licence. Which thinking about it, must mean you are fully qualified.

Sorry.
 
Can we all just play nicely and respect others opinions.

We are all going through the same ****. We all want the same thing. The chairman gone and someone decent to take over and us be successful on and off the pitch.

Emotions are always going to be high, especially after a 6th defeat on the bounce.
 
Or it's been trained out of him!
I Remember a very young Wilkins at Chelsea driving the team forward with the sort of positive play that gets the crowd going , shooting from outside the box too., and then he was reprogrammed into The Crab ! Sideways passing keep ball but creating Nothing, not a sausage .
Coaches cannot create flair and creative attacking players to unlock organised defensive situations , but they sure can stifle those players . imo
 
Yes, I wasn’t bothering to reply to anyone labelling Powell as hopeless.As I’ve said elsewhere,he is one of several attackers,especially Bridge and Mooney, who Maher,with his tactical ineptitude,is unable to exploit to score goals.
Never the players’ fault - always the managers.
That is what is so fair about football (not).
When things go well, praise the players; when things go bad slag off the manager.
Who has the greater job security? The players of course.
Christ, they are not 6 year old kids. They are supposedly intelligent footballers.
Actually thinking about it, most six years old kids would have been able to put the ball between the posts in a way that Powell is regularly incapable of doing.
 
If we had a fit Anthony Wordsworth, right now, the version he was when at the blues he would have 10-15 goals by now and mostly assisted by Bridge. This is because when Bridge gets to the by line and charges towards the near post, there is never any CMs coming in for the pull back. Wordsworth would have been all over Bridges pull backs
Exactly what I mean - I think he had a season with 14 goals from midfield for us. We don't have a CM with that ability and haven't for some time.
 
Never the players’ fault - always the managers.
That is what is so fair about football (not).
When things go well, praise the players; when things go bad slag off the manager.
Who has the greater job security? The players of course.
Christ, they are not 6 year old kids. They are supposedly intelligent footballers.
Actually thinking about it, most six years old kids would have been able to put the ball between the posts in a way that Powell is regularly incapable of doing.
Incapable means: not able…..unable.
Regularly is therefore inapplicable here and I’m surprised you’ve forgotten Powell has already scored 7 times this season.
I’m definitely not suggesting Maher should be sacked.He’s done a remarkably good job,keeping spirits up,motivating the players,in very difficult circumstances but tactically……well,I’d have thought Currie,Bentley,Still and Collymore even, should all have been able to help him see at least some of the things he is getting wrong.
 
In the ideal world you would have a defensive central midfielder (eg Miley) with two who can bring goal threat. In our formation we should be seeking 15-20 goals from the CM in a season not 2….
 
BTW Maher deserves to be judged on a full season without embargo and property backed. Given the challenges this season he has done a great job with as of late no luck at all and some dire refereeing decisions that somehow always seem to go against us.

I would like to think it’s obvious the areas we need to improve but we need the embargo gone and the investment to do it. We have a decent base of players but need 4-5 quality signings mainly in the attacking areas
 
Only my second game of the season, don't get to many these days but I can't actually remember the last time I saw us score, let alone win...

Another narrow, frustrating defeat. It always looked like one goal would win it. First half was a pretty poor affair, not helped by the wind. Altrincham created the better openings but thankfully couldn't shoot. We had one great chance which they somehow blocked. If that goes in I think we'd have held on for the win. Second half both teams had spells of pressure. When we actually passed and moved we caused them problems, rather than just hoofing it up to Cardwell who got no change out of their centre-backs, who were let's say of the old-school variety. They were better in midfield too, was impressed by Lundstram the number 8 whereas Fonguck and Taylor offered little for us. When Mooney and Powell came on they at least got on the ball and ran at players, but how Powell missed that sitter I don't know. A draw would've been a fair result but if you don't take two gilt-edged chances then you've only got yourselves to blame. The penalty looked questionable from where we stood at the other end but having see it again, can't have any complaints.

Overall had a very end-of-season feel to it, atmosphere in the away end was very flat despite another impressive turnout. Was disappointing to see the shouting between Maher and a few of our fans at the end. Don't think he can take much of the blame for this poor run.

Set pieces - Apart from Hobson at York and the GSM goals, I can't remember any times Hobson/Kensdale touch the ball from a corner or attacking free kick.

I noticed yesterday Kensdale didn't go up for any of the corners or free kicks, which seems baffling when he's our tallest player. Is that always the case?
 
Was disappointing to see the shouting between Maher and a few of our fans at the end. Don't think he can take much of the blame for this poor run.

I noticed yesterday Kensdale didn't go up for any of the corners or free kicks, which seems baffling when he's our tallest player. Is that always the case?

He didn't go up against Aldershot for set pieces either. Not sure about games before that.

If our tallest CB's lack of ability to head the ball at set pieces means he doesn't even go up for them anymore... If that isn't the fault of the coaching team... Who is to blame?
 
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