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fine then.... your use of Gramsci doesn't hold water. being 'cool'- at least as its generally been applied in Western popular culture - tends to mean an association with the counter-culture, i.e. the people who aren't part of the hegemony. To grossly over-generalise: if we lived in a socialist paradise, there'd be some decent right-wing comedy.

There is a weird statistical thing going on here though-presumably there are a lot of famous people whose politics tend towards the right-wing: the numbers in the general population must surely make it so, as does the fact that people with lots of money have a vested interest in low-tax regimes. Possible suggestions:

1- could reflect the phenomenon in polling generally that people are reluctant to admit voting for a right-wing party. I think the stat is something like for the 4 last general elections and the London Mayoral, the most accurate opinion poll in the preceding week was the one that gave the highest Tory vote.

2- People don't feel the need to spout off about how much they love neo-liberal economics and nationalism, because those ideas already dominate current politics and are entrenched in our major institiutions. It'd be like me getting up each morning and telling everyone how vital is is that the sun rises.

3- your last paragraph is entirely unsubstantiated trouble-making, and i suspect you know it to be so.

You can do better Loz, I rather regret pointing that out mate! As for point three, I disagree. It is trouble-making, but I believe it is substantiated by my previous paragraphs. That's why it's called a conclusion.

The highlighted sentence in point one does support my argument, and I would also contend that the counter-culture is now the mainstream culture. Being 'edgy' is the norm. To be staid and 'old school' is bordering on revolutionary.
 
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Where is the substance in your policies?
 
Oh yeah - that's Brown's favourite comment isn't it?
 
I think left wing and liberalism have become merged of late. I wouldn't call Bono or Chris Martin particularly left wing, they are liberals true ,but they are also fervent capitalists who, no doubt would jump ship to the nearest offshore centre should the Labour party go back to its true socialist roots and start redistribution some of the countries wealth by re-introducing a higher tax bracket.
Left is not cool, watered down pseudo eco braying by those wealthy enough to do something about yet egotistical enough to think that going on the Telly is "doing something about it" is thought to be cool.

And , dare I say it, there also seems to be a great deal of street cred, in certain areas of society, in being Right wing, but it does seem to manifest itself in a largely uninformed ranting style.

Right Wingers do not have the monopoly on nastiness, They have been equaly nasty Left wingers and Mugabe has left Wing tendencies. Its when these extremes are rolled up with an Autoritarian stance that the trouble starts.

I know this has been on here several times before bu here it is again
http://www.politicalcompass.org/index
 
I think left wing and liberalism have become merged of late. I wouldn't call Bono or Chris Martin particularly left wing, they are liberals true ,but they are also fervent capitalists who, no doubt would jump ship to the nearest offshore centre should the Labour party go back to its true socialist roots and start redistribution some of the countries wealth by re-introducing a higher tax bracket.
Left is not cool, watered down pseudo eco braying by those wealthy enough to do something about yet egotistical enough to think that going on the Telly is "doing something about it" is thought to be cool.

And , dare I say it, there also seems to be a great deal of street cred, in certain areas of society, in being Right wing, but it does seem to manifest itself in a largely uninformed ranting style.

Right Wingers do not have the monopoly on nastiness, They have been equaly nasty Left wingers and Mugabe has left Wing tendencies. Its when these extremes are rolled up with an Autoritarian stance that the trouble starts.

I know this has been on here several times before bu here it is again
http://www.politicalcompass.org/index

won't let me give you any green, but that's a spot-on post right there.
 
This is a really good thread. I'm too knackered to add any more than that, at the moment...

:)

As for the previous BAG broadcast on page 2... I'm just scared of people who are bigger than me, irrespective of their colour. I'm sizeist before I'm racist.

Matt
 
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