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GBJ

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From what I've heard (as I said on another thread) this fight is apparently signed, and they're due to announce it soon, so I thought i'd create this for the build-up to the fight next May. So how do people see this going? Anyone give Khan a chance at all?

I'm saying Mayweather wins by stoppage, no later than round 8 & here's why...

Khan's main attribute is his speed. His downfalls are, he's got an awful defence, Ropey chin & zero discipline.

Speed: his speed is very quick, he can deliver a lightening fast combo of punches. But his punches carry no power. At Lightweight, where he made his name, he looked good. But as soon as he stepped up to Light Welterweight, he lost his power. He simply can't carry it up a weight class. He'll be stepping up in weight AGAIN to fight Floyd. When you step up in weight, it's hard for boxers to take their attributes with them, as only a 7lb weight gain can slow a fighter down. Hatton is a key example, he always struggled at welterweight & made him look like a completely different fighter.

Khan's defence: make no mistakes, khans defence is shocking. He can't get out of range & so many of his opponents tag him easily. He's been dropped 3 times & has been out on his feet more than once in other fights. His problem is, when punches are coming towards him, he doesn't move. There's no bobbing or weaving, no slipping. It's all just planted feet & try & absorb whatever's being thrown at him. And everyone knows how sturdy that chin is.

Discipline:
he's shown a complete lack of discipline in recent fights. Maybe it's the whole macho thing, where he wants to show people he can trade punches, that he is a tough guy. But it doesn't do him any good. He's not a ferocious banger like Matthysse or GGG. He's not able to absorb punishment like Gatti or Hatton could. He needs to keep as far away from this side of fighting as humanly possible. But he doesn't. His trainers have told him the same, don't get drawn into a scrap. But he does anyway. You simply cannot do it against elite level fighters.



Floyd is too quick, too smart & simply too good for Khan. My prediction is, first few rounds, Khan will try to utilise those slashing jabs/crosses, but will become frustrated when he cannot hit Floyd. By the mid rounds, he's frustration will show & he'll start to take chances & become more reckless as Floyd picks him off at will, putting rounds in the bank. By the 7th-8th, Khan will do something stupid, exposé that chin & Floyd will finish there & then.
 

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Seems like a total mismatch to me, Khan has too many weaknesses and Mayweather will know exactly how to exploit them. Just wish FMJ would take on Pacquiao, the whole world wants it to happen.
 

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Seems like a total mismatch to me, Khan has too many weaknesses and Mayweather will know exactly how to exploit them. Just wish FMJ would take on Pacquiao, the whole world wants it to happen.

Exactly what I thought! How has Khan earned a shot at Mayweather?
 

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From what I've heard (as I said on another thread) this fight is apparently signed, and they're due to announce it soon, so I thought i'd create this for the build-up to the fight next May. So how do people see this going? Anyone give Khan a chance at all?

I'm saying Mayweather wins by stoppage, no later than round 8 & here's why...

Khan's main attribute is his speed. His downfalls are, he's got an awful defence, Ropey chin & zero discipline.

Speed: his speed is very quick, he can deliver a lightening fast combo of punches. But his punches carry no power. At Lightweight, where he made his name, he looked good. But as soon as he stepped up to Light Welterweight, he lost his power. He simply can't carry it up a weight class. He'll be stepping up in weight AGAIN to fight Floyd. When you step up in weight, it's hard for boxers to take their attributes with them, as only a 7lb weight gain can slow a fighter down. Hatton is a key example, he always struggled at welterweight & made him look like a completely different fighter.

Khan's defence: make no mistakes, khans defence is shocking. He can't get out of range & so many of his opponents tag him easily. He's been dropped 3 times & has been out on his feet more than once in other fights. His problem is, when punches are coming towards him, he doesn't move. There's no bobbing or weaving, no slipping. It's all just planted feet & try & absorb whatever's being thrown at him. And everyone knows how sturdy that chin is.

Discipline:
he's shown a complete lack of discipline in recent fights. Maybe it's the whole macho thing, where he wants to show people he can trade punches, that he is a tough guy. But it doesn't do him any good. He's not a ferocious banger like Matthysse or GGG. He's not able to absorb punishment like Gatti or Hatton could. He needs to keep as far away from this side of fighting as humanly possible. But he doesn't. His trainers have told him the same, don't get drawn into a scrap. But he does anyway. You simply cannot do it against elite level fighters.



Floyd is too quick, too smart & simply too good for Khan. My prediction is, first few rounds, Khan will try to utilise those slashing jabs/crosses, but will become frustrated when he cannot hit Floyd. By the mid rounds, he's frustration will show & he'll start to take chances & become more reckless as Floyd picks him off at will, putting rounds in the bank. By the 7th-8th, Khan will do something stupid, exposé that chin & Floyd will finish there & then.

So with all that excellent insight into this scrap i'll have a tenner on Floyd in round 8 and 9,no pressure GBJ lol.
 

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So with all that excellent insight into this scrap i'll have a tenner on round 8 and 9,no pressure GBJ lol.

lol that's exactly where my money will be mate.
 

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Khan has no chance.

Totally agree and it will be a more embarrassing fight to watch than the Haye vs Harrison fight. Although if it does happen this time I will risk it and pay for it.
 

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If it happens I'll be going for Mayweather in the 3rd. Reckon Khan will try and beat him with an early onslaught and will consequently be picked off with consumate ease.

I'd hate to see Mayweather's legacy destroyed by someone like Khan; who I really can't stand.

Will the fight be over here, or in Vegas?
 

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If it happens I'll be going for Mayweather in the 3rd. Reckon Khan will try and beat him with an early onslaught and will consequently be picked off with consumate ease.

I'd hate to see Mayweather's legacy destroyed by someone like Khan; who I really can't stand.

Will the fight be over here, or in Vegas?

100% Las Vegas. The talk about Mayweather ever fighting in this country is just hype. They make too much money in Vegas to allow him to fight anywhere else.
 

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Seems like a total mismatch to me, Khan has too many weaknesses and Mayweather will know exactly how to exploit them. Just wish FMJ would take on Pacquiao, the whole world wants it to happen.

The desire for FMJ and Pacquiao has dried up, it hasn't have the appeal it had two/three years ago as Pacquiao quite simply doesn't represent the same threat he once did. Pacquiao has slowly declined; the brutal KO against Marquez, and the laboured if somewhat contentious points loss to Bradley, (some believing making up for his three previous contentious points decisions against Marquez), have massively reduced The Pacman's stock. All the while Mayweather seems to be getting better, the way he dispatched Canelo was outstanding and he breezed through Guerrero, Cotto and Ortiz. The two were never keen on getting it on in the first place, for whatever reason you cared to believe, albeit split of the purse, promoters that won't do business with one another or Pacquiao refusing to FMJ's drug test demands. This fight was always very unlikely to happen, it never will now in my opinion now that the public clamour for it has died down.

Exactly what I thought! How has Khan earned a shot at Mayweather?

Khan has no chance.

Totally agree and it will be a more embarrassing fight to watch than the Haye vs Harrison fight. Although if it does happen this time I will risk it and pay for it.

I despise Khan, I really do. I think his arrogance is misplaced, he believes he is better than he his and has so many flaws. But to call it a mismatch in the same bracket as Haye Harrison is way OTT. Harrison was an average pro that never got near world honours, whereas Khan has won and defended both the WBA and IBF world titles. He has three defeats on his record, one to an excellent boxer in Danny Garcia (you only need to see the way he schooled Matthysse to realise what a good fighter he is), one a highly controversial points defeat to a proven drugs cheat in Peterson and finally to Prescott who landed an excellent early punch on Khan, one that did him a favour for a short time. It taught Khan that all his bravado and self hype wasn't enough to win him titles, it taught him to use his speed to win fights, landing punches and getting out of range. And for a while it looked like this lesson was going to give Khan a good career, unfortunately, he started to build up and believe his own hype again after winning titles and believing himself to be better than he is, trying to trade with very good boxers. The points loss to Peterson hurt him and since then he's been trying to prove a point, trading with opponents, exposing his biggest weakness to them (discipline and subsequently his chin) and not using his strength's namely speed and getting out the way. There's no shame in losing to Garcia, but the manner in which he lost earned him more ridicule than a loss to Garcia should. He still hasn't learnt his lesson as being put down by Diaz again in his most recent outing proved.

Khan as an active, young in boxing terms, former two federation World Champion is a massive pull still. He has earned his stripes fighting big names, Garcia, Peterson, Judah, McClosky, Maidaina (Who this weekend destroyed the apparent heir to Mayweather's throne to win the WBA belt) Kotelnik and Malignaggi. Despite the derision levelled at Khan (and I admit I'm at the top of this queue), he does deserve to be up and around the best fighters, hell I even believe that if he fights to his strengths and actually learned some discipline (as GBJ points out this is actually his biggest weakeness not his chin), he could actually be one of the few boxers to trouble Mayweather. But the ego will probably win out, he'll try and fight Mayweather the way he thinks he can, rather than using his strentghs and will once again be cruelly exposed. And I'll raise a glass to the arrogant **** being dicked. But despite my dislike for the man, I still appreciate he's achieved a lot.

100% Las Vegas. The talk about Mayweather ever fighting in this country is just hype. They make too much money in Vegas to allow him to fight anywhere else.

Do you think so? If he sold out Wembley, he'd earn five times the amount in ticket money, he would still get the pay per view money as the majority of that comes from American audience, and subsequently his endorsement money. He seems to have a desire to fight here, and Khan would be the natural opponent. You are probably right and it will most likely end up in Vegas, but I wouldn't totally rule out Wembley.
 

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The desire for FMJ and Pacquiao has dried up, it hasn't have the appeal it had two/three years ago as Pacquiao quite simply doesn't represent the same threat he once did. Pacquiao has slowly declined; the brutal KO against Marquez, and the laboured if somewhat contentious points loss to Bradley, (some believing making up for his three previous contentious points decisions against Marquez), have massively reduced The Pacman's stock. All the while Mayweather seems to be getting better, the way he dispatched Canelo was outstanding and he breezed through Guerrero, Cotto and Ortiz. The two were never keen on getting it on in the first place, for whatever reason you cared to believe, albeit split of the purse, promoters that won't do business with one another or Pacquiao refusing to FMJ's drug test demands. This fight was always very unlikely to happen, it never will now in my opinion now that the public clamour for it has died

Agree, just wanted to add... The number one reason Floyd & Pac was so highly anticipated, was because one of them was P4P#1 in the world, and the other, P4P#2. Everyone had their opinions on which fighter was which, (IMO Floyd was #1) but the desire to find out which one was officially number one was massive.

Now Pacman has dropped down everyone's P4P rankings, (Some even out of the top 10) and with all the **** surrounding it, I.e. with it being so overdue, the interest has dropped


Do you think so? If he sold out Wembley, he'd earn five times the amount in ticket money, he would still get the pay per view money as the majority of that comes from American audience, and subsequently his endorsement money. He seems to have a desire to fight here, and Khan would be the natural opponent. You are probably right and it will most likely end up in Vegas, but I wouldn't totally rule out Wembley.

Nah it'll never happen. Here's my thinking...

- They simply couldn't sell-out Wembley IMO. The other week Eddie Hearn was talking about a potential Froch-Groves rematch being at Wembley, and pricing the upper tier tickets at £20, but he could only predict a 60k attendance. Now at the moment, A Froch-Groves rematch, is bigger in this country, than a Floyd fight. And if they couldn't sell it out for that, then theres no chance a Mayweather fight could.

- Doesn't Wembley have a curfew? Like 11pm or something? If so, that'd mean the American audience would be watching the card at around 1pm-4pm. That doesn't make good business sense, so Showtime wouldnt be able to market it as PPV at all. Seeing as Floyds contracted for, IIRC, only 4 more fights, they won't want to let one go without it being PPV.

- For those reasons, I'm sceptical that there would be more money for fighting in this country. Just say they sold 90k at Wembley, at an average of £100 a ticket. That's only £9m. The PPV sales in the US would be down & I'd be surprised if it sold that well over here. Maybe 500k sales? Your average PPV/Sky Box Office Boxing, roughly gets 100-150k purchases. Hatton-Mayweather sold roughly 1m PPV in Britain, which is only £15m (and still stands as the biggest PPV draw of all time in Britain). Just say it did sell out Wembley & also sold 1m PPV's, the money generated is only £24m. Maybe another $15m (£10m) from the US PPV's. Once you take out everyone's cut, Floyd may be left with £15m ($22m) max.
Considering Floyd got just over $40m for his last fight, then I'm not convinced he'd accept a "pay cut" lol.

- The money a Floyd fight brings into Las Vegas is astronomical. I'm sure I remember hearing that apart from July 4th & NYE, a Mayweather fight is the highest grossing weekend for casino's, restaurants, bars etc. If a judge can postpone Mayweathers prison sentence, because of what his fight brings to the City, do you honestly believe the casino's will let him fight anywhere else, without throwing their weight around.

- Floyd lives, trains & subsequently fights in Vegas. Would he really leave his comfort zone? I'm not so sure.
 
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Floyd has picked Maidana over khan haha. Maybe next time Amir
 

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Floyd has picked Maidana over khan haha. Maybe next time Amir

No doubt Amir will trawl out the usual 'Floyd is running scared jibes', and more out of fear himself, because now he has lost that fight, where does he go from here.
 

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No doubt Amir will trawl out the usual 'Floyd is running scared jibes', and more out of fear himself, because now he has lost that fight, where does he go from here.

Fighting unknowns and nobody's is all that's left for his career. Best off retiring now before he makes any more embarrassing performances.
 

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Kell Brook?

Would be a marker for Brook to see if he is ready for a belt, although to be honest, he should really be looking to fight for a title now; I'm guessing Porter is on his radar having missed the opportunity to win Alexander's belt himself. Khan might see it as too much of a risk as well. True that on the plus side a big war of the roses bout could generate a lot of interest,* but if he loses and can no longer claim to be even the biggest name domestically, his career really could nose dive. His next fight is massive as far as his career is concerned.





*££££
 

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Fighting unknowns and nobody's is all that's left for his career. Best off retiring now before he makes any more embarrassing performances.

Too much money available (even fighting nobodies) for him to retire at 27.

Would be a marker for Brook to see if he is ready for a belt, although to be honest, he should really be looking to fight for a title now; I'm guessing Porter is on his radar having missed the opportunity to win Alexander's belt himself. Khan might see it as too much of a risk as well. True that on the plus side a big war of the roses bout could generate a lot of interest,* but if he loses and can no longer claim to be even the biggest name domestically, his career really could nose dive. His next fight is massive as far as his career is concerned.
*££££

Think I'm right in saying Brook is actually mandatory for Porter?

The Brook fight is the obvious one from a fans perspective, but as you say, I think it's too much of a risk for Khan & being totally honest, I really ain't too fussed about it for some reason. I'm not a massive fan of Brook, but neither do I dislike him. He's just a bit "meh" tbh, but that could be because he's been in 63 final eliminators, which has put me off. If Hearn/Sky throw their promotional weight behind it though, it'll sell well though.

As for Khan, it's not necessarily dead for him, there's still big names & tough challenges at welterweight for him, if he can get them.... Marquez, Pacman, Bradley, Guerrero, Thurman, Lopez, Bundu, Van Heerden. Then he's always got the option of staying at LWW and facing the likes of Matthysse, Provodnikov or rematch with Peterson. There is fights out there, (whether they're actually possible/too high risk, is another matter) and I guarentee you could put Khan in against any of those fighters & 2 things would happen... 1) he'd lose lol & 2) they'd sell & make money
 

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Would be a marker for Brook to see if he is ready for a belt, although to be honest, he should really be looking to fight for a title now; I'm guessing Porter is on his radar having missed the opportunity to win Alexander's belt himself. Khan might see it as too much of a risk as well. True that on the plus side a big war of the roses bout could generate a lot of interest,* but if he loses and can no longer claim to be even the biggest name domestically, his career really could nose dive. His next fight is massive as far as his career is concerned.





*££££

Isn't this about the 3rd time this has been said at different points in his career?
 

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Too much money available (even fighting nobodies) for him to retire at 27.



Think I'm right in saying Brook is actually mandatory for Porter?

The Brook fight is the obvious one from a fans perspective, but as you say, I think it's too much of a risk for Khan & being totally honest, I really ain't too fussed about it for some reason. I'm not a massive fan of Brook, but neither do I dislike him. He's just a bit "meh" tbh, but that could be because he's been in 63 final eliminators, which has put me off. If Hearn/Sky throw their promotional weight behind it though, it'll sell well though.

As for Khan, it's not necessarily dead for him, there's still big names & tough challenges at welterweight for him, if he can get them.... Marquez, Pacman, Bradley, Guerrero, Thurman, Lopez, Bundu, Van Heerden. Then he's always got the option of staying at LWW and facing the likes of Matthysse, Provodnikov or rematch with Peterson. There is fights out there, (whether they're actually possible/too high risk, is another matter) and I guarentee you could put Khan in against any of those fighters & 2 things would happen... 1) he'd lose lol & 2) they'd sell & make money

The thought of Khan getting in the ring with Matthysse or Provodnikov actually petrifies and amuses me in equal measure. Imagine those two walking him down, heavy hitting. Khan would no doubt employ his in-unleash-get out of dodge technique, but it would do little damage to these two. He doesn't have the skills Garcia has to deal with Matthyse (that was one of the best masterclasses in boxing I've seen outside of Mayweather/Ward in a long time), and he doesn't have the heart, chin or brutality of Bradley to manage Provodnikov. for those reasons alone I'd love to see one of these fights. Khan has actually said he'd like to face Matthysse as he has the perfect fighting style for him. I think he means chin.

Agree Khan is still a big pull, but with each defeat his stock drops, in fact it dropped even still with his last win due to the manner of it. He reaches too far and suffers yet another defeat in his next fight, he's gonna struggle thereafter, aim too low, he'll be ridiculed, win or no win. Marquez, Pacman, Bradley and Guerrero whilst big paydays, are too big a risk methinks, he could possibly get a result out of Marquez, maybe Guerrero, the others not for me. Lopez and Bundu are great shouts though, and if I was in charge of Khan, I'd get on the phone with these guys.

I like Brook, but his prolonged periods of inactivity are frustrating, and his perfromances can be hit and miss. That said, since he laboured against Carson Jones he seems to have improved in the ring, he just needs to keep clear of injuries now. If he's mandatory for Porter, her should take it; there's no time like the present.

*runs off to Groves v Froch thread.
 
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Here's a thing. I'm not really in to boxing any more (was a big fan in Tyson's 80s heyday and then in to the 90s with all those great British middleweights) but love reading these threads.

Really good analysis from Blue_Wes and GBJ - keep it up lads!
 
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