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Brexit negotiations thread

So some political experts are saying that the EU are pushing May into a corner to go for the extra time thing, keeping us in the EU and still contributing for ages. One suggested that maybe they are hoping that the delay will give time for May to be ousted and a new Conservative leader, or a general election and Corbyn, and more chance of a second vote, which the EU is praying for.

Praying? I'm sure they'd love us to stay, but I'm sure if we go they won't really care.
 
Cameron called the referendum and said he would action the result. Then he quit when he saw the result. The mess that has followed is largely his fault.

May has gone to the EU repeatedly with half baked ideas about what she wants to get out of the negotiations. She has not managed to create any consensus within The Department for Exiting the European Union let alone her Cabinet let alone her party let alone Parliament let alone the country.

If she had a plan and her own people were behind the plan and the EU rejected it then we would be justified in scrutinizing why they were reacting in that way. If she goes to them with a plan that has no backing from her own side of the House of Commons we can hardly blame the EU for the stagnation that has resulted.
 
All very true A S S, however in any discussion there needs to be two sides taking part not one and the other just saying "non, nien" but offering nothing ideas wise.
 
All very true A S S, however in any discussion there needs to be two sides taking part not one and the other just saying "non, nien" but offering nothing ideas wise.
I think their input is to listen to what May wants and advise how that could fit into the structure of the EU. They would theoretically have they hard task of having 27 nations change the way they operate and we would have the more simplistic task of changing the way we operate.
If they come to broad agreements and then the DUP or ERG or remainers or whoever else has the numbers to prevent that from happening reject the latest movements it must feel like a horrendous waste of time for them.
 
Think it's more likely that the EU are getting desperate..........to a point...........in trying to help May overcome her 'local difficulties.' It will quite clearly be detrimental to both sides should the talks fail..........which they may well do. Don't see how May being ousted or Corbyn arriving would make much difference to the situation. I believe the EU would prefer a deal, than taking the vague chance of provoking a second vote when, in the present volatile situation, it could equally well end up with the UK crashing out with no vote and no deal.
For me the problem is not between the EU and the UK, it is the impossible stance May has taken with negotiations in an effort to square the circle at home. This article, from Tom Peck in The Independent, provides a wonderful and amusing analogy of the impossible position she now finds herself.

https://www.independent.co.uk/voice...conference-extension-transition-a8590936.html
 
Think it's more likely that the EU are getting desperate..........to a point...........in trying to help May overcome her 'local difficulties.' It will quite clearly be detrimental to both sides should the talks fail..........which they may well do. Don't see how May being ousted or Corbyn arriving would make much difference to the situation. I believe the EU would prefer a deal, than taking the vague chance of provoking a second vote when, in the present volatile situation, it could equally well end up with the UK crashing out with no vote and no deal.
For me the problem is not between the EU and the UK, it is the impossible stance May has taken with negotiations in an effort to square the circle at home. This article, from Tom Peck in The Independent, provides a wonderful and amusing analogy of the impossible position she now finds herself.

https://www.independent.co.uk/voice...conference-extension-transition-a8590936.html

Best. Quote. Ever.

but also because of the accumulated evidence of two years of Brexit negotiations thus far, which to borrow the phrase of the somewhat politically incorrect wheelchair bound dodgeball coach Patches O’Houlihan has been like “watching a bunch of ******* try to f*ck a doorknob.”
 
All very true A S S, however in any discussion there needs to be two sides taking part not one and the other just saying "non, nien" but offering nothing ideas wise.

This seems to be more a reference to the UK’s misjudged gimmick gimmick for domestic audiences of badly translating May’s Chequers plan that contained no new details and sending it to the 27 capitals over the lead negotiator’s head.

The EU have set out various options.

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It’s up to May to choose one.

Like the NI issue which has caught Brex**itters by surprise, many of us tried to point these choices out before the referendum but Leavers refused to engage with even basic detail.

The EU have even tried to accommodate May by offering the backstop whilst she tries to get sense into her party. This is a crisis of the UK’s making, not the EU’s.
 
This seems to be more a reference to the UK’s misjudged gimmick gimmick for domestic audiences of badly translating May’s Chequers plan that contained no new details and sending it to the 27 capitals over the lead negotiator’s head.

The EU have set out various options.

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It’s up to May to choose one.

Like the NI issue which has caught Brex**itters by surprise, many of us tried to point these choices out before the referendum but Leavers refused to engage with even basic detail.

The EU have even tried to accommodate May by offering the backstop whilst she tries to get sense into her party. This is a crisis of the UK’s making, not the EU’s.

Maybe if remain weren’t telling everyone about emergency budget, no food in the shops and WW3 we might have had time to discuss it.
 
Maybe if remain weren’t telling everyone about emergency budget, no food in the shops and WW3 we might have had time to discuss it.

I even asked you on here.

Like my question about whether Mexico hold all the cards in their negotiation with the US because the US spends more in Mexico than Mexico spends in the US, you dodged it.

But lets look at those three claims.

1. Emergency budget. The Bank of England had to intervene and cut interest rates to an all time low and re-introduced quantitative easing.

2. The Leave supporting government have actually appointed a minister for food shortages.

3. WW3 was a Leave invention. Cameron talked about how it would threaten peace and prosperity - as we see with Northern Ireland and the furore over the backstop and how it threatens to break the Good Friday Agreement, Brexit genuinely is a threat to peace in NI. Hopefully sense will prevail,and a hard border and a return to the Troubles can be avoided. It's also emboldened Putin who's now willing to carry out assassinations on British soil.
 
I even asked you on here.

Like my question about whether Mexico hold all the cards in their negotiation with the US because the US spends more in Mexico than Mexico spends in the US, you dodged it.

But lets look at those three claims.

1. Emergency budget. The Bank of England had to intervene and cut interest rates to an all time low and re-introduced quantitative easing.

2. The Leave supporting government have actually appointed a minister for food shortages.

3. WW3 was a Leave invention. Cameron talked about how it would threaten peace and prosperity - as we see with Northern Ireland and the furore over the backstop and how it threatens to break the Good Friday Agreement, Brexit genuinely is a threat to peace in NI. Hopefully sense will prevail,and a hard border and a return to the Troubles can be avoided. It's also emboldened Putin who's now willing to carry out assassinations on British soil.

Your Mexico question was pointless as we Spend £300b a year in the EU. That’s £12,000 per year for every tax payer in Britain.

1) There was no emergency budget
2)There are no food shortages.
3) nice bit of spin.about WW3
4) You have swallowed project fear over NI
5) blaiming Brexit and Putin is utter nonsense.
 
I think we are losing sight of the basic situation here, which is that the UK is leaving of its own volition and there is no imperative on the part of the EU to make it as painless as possible. We have been a thorn in the side of the EU for most of our membership, always sniping on the sidelines, never committed to the European ideal and domestically using its shortcomings as an excuse for Tory austerity and dismantling the welfare state. The EU will be well rid of a disruptive and negatively inclined member whose main contribution was to encourage the inclusion of former Soviet states whose far right predilections were ideal to negate the civilising influences of Germany and France and provide cheap, some would say, slave labour, for the UK. The UK will become in all but name the 51st state of the USA , something Liam Fox and his followers have been striving for for ages and our work force the most disadvantaged in the western world. But looking on the bright side, we will have our own blue passports to maintain the illusion of our importance in the post colonial era.
 
I think we are losing sight of the basic situation here, which is that the UK is leaving of its own volition and there is no imperative on the part of the EU to make it as painless as possible. We have been a thorn in the side of the EU for most of our membership, always sniping on the sidelines, never committed to the European ideal and domestically using its shortcomings as an excuse for Tory austerity and dismantling the welfare state. The EU will be well rid of a disruptive and negatively inclined member whose main contribution was to encourage the inclusion of former Soviet states whose far right predilections were ideal to negate the civilising influences of Germany and France and provide cheap, some would say, slave labour, for the UK. The UK will become in all but name the 51st state of the USA , something Liam Fox and his followers have been striving for for ages and our work force the most disadvantaged in the western world. But looking on the bright side, we will have our own blue passports to maintain the illusion of our importance in the post colonial era.

Another undemocratic snowflake who hates their own country.God how tedious.
 
Another undemocratic snowflake who hates their own country.God how tedious.
Democracy is a word whose meaning in the referendum campaign was entirely lost amid the blizzard of lies and false promises propagated by the leave campaigners. We are now seeing reality kicking in, and the damage to the UK, whether a deal is struck or not, will be severe and protracted and will of course adversely affect those least in a position to withstand it. Those who wanted to jump off a cliff with a blindfold on will obviously keep saying so far so good whilst in freefall but the ground is coming up to meet you!
 
Democracy is a word whose meaning in the referendum campaign was entirely lost amid the blizzard of lies and false promises propagated by the leave campaigners. We are now seeing reality kicking in, and the damage to the UK, whether a deal is struck or not, will be severe and protracted and will of course adversely affect those least in a position to withstand it. Those who wanted to jump off a cliff with a blindfold on will obviously keep saying so far so good whilst in freefall but the ground is coming up to meet you!

I can't understand why so many people don't realise that parliament has a vast majority of remain mp's who are doing all they can to stop brexit, and are therefore making the process so much harder than it needs to be. The government is working hand in hand with the EU to try and persuade everyone that Brexit will be the downfall of UK.
By saying jump off cliff with blindfold just shows how well this manipulation is working.
 
I can't understand why so many people don't realise that parliament has a vast majority of remain mp's who are doing all they can to stop brexit, and are therefore making the process so much harder than it needs to be. The government is working hand in hand with the EU to try and persuade everyone that Brexit will be the downfall of UK.
By saying jump off cliff with blindfold just shows how well this manipulation is working.
No manipulation involved, the process was always going to harder and more complicated than the leavers claimed. The full implications of what leaving actually means were never discussed during the referendum campaign and are only now coming to light as the practicalities start to demonstrate. The utter nonsense that somehow we could leave the EU and yet magically keep the bits that we liked is becoming more and more apparent. The British people were never presented with an informed choice and by a small majority fell for the 'taking back control of our borders and our laws' appeal to a retro form of nationalism that had particular resonance with such as the Daily Mail readership and nostalgia for a perceived golden age when Britannia ruled the waves.
 
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