"Don't blame the British people.We know the islands belong to you"

[canveyshrimper]

It wasn't only the left,who've snuggled up to the Murdoch press.Tory PM's and leaders since Heath/Thatcher,right up to and including Cameron, have done so too.Hopefully,in the light of recent events,Murdoch's power over the British political system will have been vastly diminished-we'll see in 2015.
I'm sure you're familiar with the concept of The Working Class Tory,wherebye it's been estimated, that up to one third of working class voters, regularly vote Tory.

Shame it's not two thirds it'll save the Tories having to bail out the economy after the country being left in the mire as ever by Labour.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

If Argentina invaded Spain would you stay and fight or be on the first bus to the safety of the UK ?

Obviously,that's a hypothetical question,which can only be answered hypothetically.In my particular case, I'd probably head for the relative safety of France.I certainly wouldn't see myself returning to the safety (or otherwise) of the UK.In any case,I'm rather too old to fight now, in military terms, at least.:cricko:
(Incidentally,I had British friends working here at the time of the Falklands(and in Argentina too for that matter)who had a really tough time of it.I was glad to be working elsewhere,in those dark days).

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

You still aren't answering the question. You said earlier that you wouldn't be prepared to defend the residents of the Falklands and I've asked repeatedly if that applies to other British citizens and you won't answer.

It applies,as far as I'm concerned,to British citizens living in, not outside, the British Isles.

 

[Dick Bate's Protege]

Barnablue, this would all be a lot easier if you started every thread with;

'I hate Britain and never miss an opportunity to arrogantly apologise for her every directive.'

Think I might visit Gibraltar at some point this year, it's always nice to explore different areas of British territory.

 

[THE SEVENTIES NORTH BANK]

He wrote(and sang)some great choons with The Smiths.He's also quite brave(if possibly misguided).I remember seeing him here back in the '80's with The Smiths.On stage he said something about "We've seen your national sport and we don't like it," before launching into Meat is Murder.He was obviously referring to bullfighting.Presumably, nobody had told him that bullfighting has never been that big in Catalonia,(and was in fact abolished last year).Full marks to him for trying, though around me, not many people understood what he was on about.:winking:

But not brave enough to openly declare his sexuality. Which is no secret anymore, and just what most suspected.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

Barnablue, this would all be a lot easier if you started every thread with;

'I hate Britain and never miss an opportunity to arrogantly apologise for her every directive.'

Think I might visit Gibraltar at some point this year, it's always nice to explore different areas of British territory.

DBP,
I can assure you it's a bit like stepping back in a time warp.A very strange place indeed.
Btw,I don't hate Britain at all.In fact,I'm proud to be British.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

But not brave enough to openly declare his sexuality. Which is no secret anymore, and just what most suspected.

He's obviously gay.If he doesn't want to come out,that's up to him,I'd say.

 

[Neil_F]

It applies,as far as I'm concerned,to British citizens living outside the British Isles.

The British Nationality (Falkland Islands) Act 1983 granted citizenship to all inhabitants of the islands. So you've just changed your mind have you? You now agree that the Falklands should be defended?

Further to that, the British Overseas Territories Act 2002 granted full citizenship to all British overseas territories.

So Barna, what are you talking about???

 

[Shrimpers are Magic]

DBP,
I can assure you it's a bit like stepping back in a time warp.A very strange place indeed.
Btw,I don't hate Britain at all.In fact,I'm proud to be British.

Talking about stepping back in time have you heard yourself lately? - the peoples of the world have rejected socialism or do you only read the morning star with your morning cafe rovi?

Please can you explain to me why Argentina have grounds to sovereignty over the islands - are we saying as they are nearer they have sovereignty ?

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

The British Nationality (Falkland Islands) Act 1983 granted citizenship to all inhabitants of the islands. So you've just changed your mind have you? You now agree that the Falklands should be defended?

Further to that, the British Overseas Territories Act 2002 granted full citizenship to all British overseas territories.

So Barna, what are you talking about???

Retrospective legislation?:winking:

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

Talking about stepping back in time have you heard yourself lately? - the peoples of the world have rejected socialism or do you only read the morning star with your morning cafe rovi?

Please can you explain to me why Argentina have grounds to sovereignty over the islands - are we saying as they are nearer they have sovereignty ?

I certaintly used to read The Morning Star are on a regular basis but haven't done so for many years now.(These days it's The Guardian and El Pais).

In answer to your second question-yes.:sherlock:

 

[Benfleet A1]

The Falkland Islands are 290 miles from the coast of South America but France is less than 30 miles from mainland Great Britain. Can I presume that due to the latter being closer in geographic terms it would be ok with you Barna to make claim of sovereignty for France.

Whats good for the goose and all that.

 

[Neil_F]

So Barna, to summarise your position: geographical proximity is key yet the UK should defend all British citizens living outside the UK (except those living on the Falklands because you think they aren't British citizens even though they legally are).

By that logic you must support Israeli settlements on the West Bank and oppose the two state solution as geographical proximity is key? You must also support an invasion of the US since there are British citizens being held captive in Guantanemo, who, by your principle, must be defended?

It's almost as if you having really thought it through.

 

[OldBlueLady]

What about Alaska then in that case? Joined at the hip to Canada yet an official American state. How does that work?

 

[MK Shrimper]

What about Alaska then in that case? Joined at the hip to Canada yet an official American state. How does that work?

'Cos they bought it off those damn Ruskies in 1867.

 

[Beefy]

As Genial Harry Grout says, the Falklands are a long way away from Argentina. Not as far away as they are from the UK, granted, but there wasn't an indiginous population there which the Brits displaced and the Falklands have been 'owned' by Britain for longer than Argentina has been a country. If the colonial inhabitants of a territory don't have the right to own the territory on which they've lived for a couple of hundred years then presumably the Argentines will be sodding off back to Spain and giving their country back to the Incas who will then give it to the Diaguitas, Huarpes, and Sanavirones.

If being on the doorstep of a larger country means that the larger country gets to claim ownership of you then perhaps I should head down to O'Connell Street on my lunch break and plant a Union Jack outside the General Post Office. I don't think that would go down too well though.

The only thing that matters is the right of people to self-determination. The people of the Falkland Islands wish to remain a self-governing British overseas territory and for as long as that is the case then we should respect that and defend their wishes.

 

[MK Shrimper]

There's oil there, hence why we're bothered. Got sod all to do with anything else. One day it'll all run out and then what?

 

[canveyshrimper]

There's oil there, hence why we're bothered. Got sod all to do with anything else. One day it'll all run out and then what?

Oil wasn't the reason for going to war in 1982.

 

[Yorkshire Blue]

There's oil there, hence why we're bothered. Got sod all to do with anything else. One day it'll all run out and then what?

Is that why we are bothered, or why Argentina is bothered?

Also, I think it's more a case of people thinking that there may be oil there, rather than knowing for sure that there is.

 

[canveyshrimper]

What about Alaska then in that case? Joined at the hip to Canada yet an official American state. How does that work?

Hawaii or Puerto Rico may have been better examples.