EU Army

[essexshrimper]

Whats people thoughts on this so called Euro Army if we stay in EU??

From my postion i see it be a bloody shambles as only 3 countries in Europe have decent standing Armies....:unsure:

 

[maninasuitcase]

Whats people thoughts on this so called Euro Army if we stay in EU??

From my postion i see it be a bloody shambles as only 3 countries in Europe have decent standing Armies....:unsure:

And you have done some extensive research on the subject? Perhaps you could provide you workings, links to evidence, all that sort of stuff to back up your claim.

 

[callan]

And you have done some extensive research on the subject? Perhaps you could provide you workings, links to evidence, all that sort of stuff to back up your claim.

Perhaps you could do the same, if you think the claim is flawed or incorrect?

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

Ever heard of NATO?

 

[Benfleet A1]

I see little point in a EU Armed Forces. That's what NATO is for. Anyway, what use is a French tank with 5 reverse gears.

 

[callan]

Ever heard of NATO?

You need to be asking that to the EU.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

You need to be asking that to the EU.

Of the 28 member states of the EU only 22 are members of NATO.

 

[callan]

Of the 28 member states of the EU only 22 are members of NATO.

Don't be silly.

 

[Shrimpers are Magic]

I see little point in a EU Armed Forces. That's what NATO is for. Anyway, what use is a French tank with 5 reverse gears.

Cheeky! A British General (or someone) compared the French defence of Dunkirk to the last stand of the Spartans.
They lost 290,000 in that battle (we lost 68,000 and the germans nearly 30,000) as battles go, this was a biggie.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

Of the 28 member states of the EU only 22 are members of NATO.

Don't be silly.

Happens to be a fact.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_of_the_European_Union

 

[Massimo Giovanni]

Of the 28 member states of the EU only 22 are members of NATO.

And France is NOT, and has never been a FULL NATO member!- "not a lot of people know that".
Another thing, Greece has twice as many modern Leopard battle tanks as France and UK combined; AND German business deal makers and Greek defense people have been convicted of bribery in the 5 BILLION euro scandal that gave Greece the debt and Germany the work and exports.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

And France is NOT, and has never been a FULL NATO member!- "not a lot of people know that".
Another thing, Greece has twice as many modern Leopard battle tanks as France and UK combined; AND German business deal makers and Greek defense people have been convicted of bribery in the 5 BILLION euro scandal that gave Greece the debt and Germany the work and exports.

I would imagine that's because they're not too happy with the US running the show.

Interestingly, they are one of the main advocates of an EU army (along with Germany).

 

[Massimo Giovanni]

I would imagine that's because they're not too happy with the US running the show.

Interestingly, they are one of the main advocates of an EU army (along with Germany).

And both are major arms suppliers to the rest of Europe AND, in the case of France (and Germany) some corrupt deals to sell their arms around Africa, South America and Middle East. I wonder who wants the major defense contracts for the EU Army?

 

[essexshrimper]

Not us, i know several guys who would leave if britian joined a EU Army rather then stay as a stand alone army

 

[Crabby Shrimper]

And France is NOT, and has never been a FULL NATO member!- "not a lot of people know that".
Another thing, Greece has twice as many modern Leopard battle tanks as France and UK combined; AND German business deal makers and Greek defense people have been convicted of bribery in the 5 BILLION euro scandal that gave Greece the debt and Germany the work and exports.

Pretty sure they were an original member, but left in 1966 under de Gaulle. They pretty much rejoined in 2009, though I believe they still maintain their nuclear deterrent as independent of NATO

 

[Massimo Giovanni]

Pretty sure they were an original member, but left in 1966 under de Gaulle. They pretty much rejoined in 2009, though I believe they still maintain their nuclear deterrent as independent of NATO

That is the point, they don't mind having part of the treaty BUT are not fully in; always siting their independence and special deals with countries in Africa and especially Serbia.
If you are interested check out the cost and operational history of their Charles De Gaulle aircraft carrier! - and we, in the UK think our modern carriers are costly.

 

[Berrichonne shrimper]

As long as the UK has you and ricey in their corner then the EU barmy army can feck off.
Plus us French dont want you binge drinkers and cheese haters.

 

[Napster]

All we need is us and Malta for a decent EU Army. Mind you, the Belgians were decent in WWI, and despite being completely overrun in WWII, Belgian exiles played a big part in the UK response https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/5th_Special_Air_Service.

 

[londonblue]

I see little point in a EU Armed Forces. That's what NATO is for. Anyway, what use is a French tank with 5 reverse gears.

Surely all you need to do then is turn the gun round?