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fbm

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...before people will get to the same place that I am in, which is a complete indifference about anything football related apart from the results of SUFC?

Cricko's post yesterday about falling out of love with football is totally understandable, as was True Blue's response about not being so daft. For me, I can only describe it as loving the game but hating the sport, which kind of makes them both right

I have been saying for years that football is riding for a fall and the wages being paid are unsustainable. The game is corrupt at every single level. However, the authorities that govern the sport seem unwilling to take any proper action to rectify this and FIFA sold out the world cup to Qatar, a country hardly renowed for anything other than perhaps oil production and which has a stifling summer climate which will not assist anyone at all except perhaps the Arabs and North Africans. Bribery and corruption surrounded the whole voting process and stories of money in brown envelopes changing hands abounded. Allegedly.

The beautiful game, as it is known, has hardly covered itself in glory at the Olympics when the cheating and histrionics (that are so entrenched in our game that we barely notice them) were highlighted in direct comparison with other sports and disciplines that are played properly and fairly. One noticeable exception was the women's football, which was like a breath of fresh air in it's pride, effort and endeavour. A bit like the way football used to be played.

Having been a Southend supporter for 43 years, I've witnessed all the promotions, all the relegations and seen every honour that we've won in our history. Prior to 1971/2, the club had simply existed without acquiring any honours for around 65 years (albeit that there were 2 world wars during that time). Any achievement has occured since that season when we first climbed out of the old Division 4 in what was then the most modern stadium in the country. Yes, after Roots Hall was built, there was no new stadia at all until Walsall built the Bescot in the early 1980's. In the mid 1970's, when a young Kevin Keegan played for Scunthorpe, he even called our ground "The Wembley of the Fourth Division".

However, as our most recent brief visit to the Championship has proved, our ground is just not up to scratch. One wonders if anything would have changed had the Hillsborough disaster not taken place and the subsequent Taylor report not been produced.

Yet now, the beautiful game is played at the top level in front of TV millions on lush green, billiard table like underheated surfaces that means a winter Premiership match is only likely to be postponed on police advice because the streets are deemed too unsafe outside the ground.

Such has been the investment in the sport to try and improve the standard in this country yet we still lag behind other countries in ability. Where are the millions flowing into the Italian and German leagues? They get a fraction of what our game gets yet still produce fitter, stronger and better players than we do.

The reason?

Our players are a bunch of overpaid kids who spend too much time not looking after themselves as professional athletes should.

Yet other countries players that play in the Premiership don't seem to have the same level of fatigue that ours do. Perhaps it's the British culture. I don't know and actually I don't care that much.

I enjoy watching a game because it's a game, not necessarily because who's playing. I'll happily watch any match at all as there is always something to enjoy or marvel at (possible exceptions were the home and away defeats to Aldershot last season but I'm sure you take my point).

Look at this list of football league clubs -

Charlton
Middlesborough
Tranmere
Walsall
Northampton
Aldershot
Hartlepool
Barnet
Exeter
Gillingham
Doncaster
Millwall
Bournemouth
Crystal Palace
Hull
QPR
Barnsley
Notts County
Leicester
Bradford
Port Vale
York
Derby
Ipswich
Wimbledon
Rotherham
Crawley
Leeds
Southampton
Portsmouth
Plymouth

They are all the current football league clubs that have been or are in administration. That's not taking into account the fact that clubs like Bournemouth, Palace and Port Vale have been in twice and also I haven't included Newport, Halifax, Maidstone, Darlington, Chester, Wrexham, Cambridge, Boston, Stockport, Rushden & Diamons and Luton, who were league clubs once.

That is over half the football league! In fact, there aren't many lower division clubs who aren't on that list.

But we're not.

So all of these teams have fans who have gone through far worse than us. I'm sure there aren't many fans who are happy with the clubs ownership. Look at the top level and the fuss that Man Utd have had recently over their share flotation, the protests etc at Villa, Liverpool, Blackburn (it wasn't all about Steve Keane) and Newcastle before they had a good season last year.

And that last example is actually my point.

If the results are good, fans generally don't care too much.

Looking at this forum recently does bring back memories of every pre season for the last few years. We are always going to be in this state. We won't have a Russian Oligarch or Arab Sheik buy us for millions. We are just lucky, under the present set up, to have a team at all.

So let's just worry about what we can do - support the team on the pitch and contribute as much as we can off it by buying merchandise etc - and not have this continual droning on about the club, the truth, blah blah blah. We don't own it, we won't get to hear anything other than what the owners want to tell us and most people won't believe it anyway.

So, on the eve off a new season, join me in a mood of indifference off the pitch and passion and support for the team from the terraces.

Blue army. Let's roar us into League 1.
 

dannypav

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A lucid post that makes a lot of sense and addresses issues in a rational way , well done.
You sure this is the forum for you ?
 
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FarmdogSUFC

The Custard Splat - Southend United Fan Podcast
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Just like reading an artile out of The Guardian. Good read that. Your point about us never being in administration and the list of other clubs that have been has actually cheered my right up. :thumbsup:
 

Jam_Man

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There was a time when I could name every player in every Premiership team (well when it was Division 1). Now I couldnt name the first eleven of any team.

Ive been to the emirates a few times and whilst its a great stadium I felt detached and always preferred going to Southend games.

These days I rarely watch football on TV and am not particularly interested in anything outside of our league.

The lower leagues still feel like real football and thats where my interest is.

the list of clubs in admin is incredible, and we are raising up in protest because we havent yet signed a keeper. Just goes to show, lets hope we dont find ourselves on that list in the future.
 

fbm

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There was a time when I could name every player in every Premiership team (well when it was Division 1). Now I couldnt name the first eleven of any team.

Ive been to the emirates a few times and whilst its a great stadium I felt detached and always preferred going to Southend games.

These days I rarely watch football on TV and am not particularly interested in anything outside of our league.

The lower leagues still feel like real football and thats where my interest is.

Exactly how I am. As long as we have a team to watch I'll be happy.
 

BLUEBLOOD

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Where are the millions flowing into the Italian and German leagues? They get a fraction of what our game gets yet still produce fitter, stronger and better players than we do.

The reason ?

How many Germans in a typical Bundasliga squad ?? 80% i'd wager
Italians in a Serie A squad .. similar if not more than the German model

How many English in a Premier$hite squad .. half that amount ?? 60% at best ??
 
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Absolutely spot on this. Well done, some logical thinking.

Bottom line is, many clubs are in the same/worse position that us.

Ron may not be a hero, but unless Mr. Abramovich has a brother who fancies a club on the Essex reviera, nothing will change anytime soon.

In all honesty, I'm not sure I would want that anyway, wouldn't really want my club in the Premiership to be honest, it's just not the same at that "level"
 

C V Shrimper

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There was a time when I could name every player in every Premiership team (well when it was Division 1). Now I couldnt name the first eleven of any team.

Ive been to the emirates a few times and whilst its a great stadium I felt detached and always preferred going to Southend games.

These days I rarely watch football on TV and am not particularly interested in anything outside of our league.

The lower leagues still feel like real football and thats where my interest is.

the list of clubs in admin is incredible, and we are raising up in protest because we havent yet signed a keeper. Just goes to show, lets hope we dont find ourselves on that list in the future.

I'm exactly the same, rarely even bother with England games now either. If it's not SUFC i don't give a s***!
 

fbm

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How many Germans in a typical Bundasliga squad ?? 80% i'd wager
Italians in a Serie A squad .. similar if not more than the German model

How many English in a Premier$hite squad .. half that amount ?? 60% at best ??


Not even that many I reckon.
 

C V Shrimper

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If i'm honest, the odd bits i saw of Great Britain in the olympics, i reckon there were about 5 or 6 in the squad i recognised, but wouldn't have known who most played for.
 

Jam_Man

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How many Germans in a typical Bundasliga squad ?? 80% i'd wager
Italians in a Serie A squad .. similar if not more than the German model

How many English in a Premier$hite squad .. half that amount ?? 60% at best ??

Its about 35%-40%.

Shocking really.

However the Bundesliga isnt much better, at around 48%

Source

This doesnt help the cause though

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/competitions/euro-2012/9370755/Premier-League-needs-more-top-class-foreign-players-if-it-wishes-to-be-regarded-as-the-worlds-best.html
 

SS3

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Great Post. Could not have articulated it better myself! Good Read, Rationally portrayed!
 
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Goodness me - I thought I was alone .... and now I find I share the same views as many of the above.

Can I highlight another 'villian' - Sky. Not just their money and influence that puts their customers ahead of the needs of fans that attend games but the general lack of sporting ethos that is justified by their 'pundits'.

I used to listen to Radio 5 but they too have lost the plot many years ago.
 

BLUEBLOOD

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