I'm losing faith in Kevin Bond. Are you?

[GBJ]

Yes he had to have reconstruction surgery in the summer. The initial injury of 15? broken bones may actually effect his career for the rest of his life......I hope not but have seen plenty of tough people be effected by less. Including some nasty facial injuries in local cricket.

Like you I could see he was not right v Millwall but no one wanted the truth to spoil good 'Bond got it all wrong' type posts from the moment the team was announced at Cov.

Seems the injury curse has followed us into this season. Tonight we have no Goodship, Humprhys should definitely be rested which means we should not risk a recovering, not yet ready for 2 starts in 3 days Cox.

That wont stop more posts on here if we lose. Lead by those that are never happy unless they have something to moan about.

Good points from yourself & Viney regarding the Humphrys issue.

However, if you’re right & he is still affected by the injury - which I suppose he still is - I fail to understand or see the benefit of his manager stating publicly that he “was shocking”.

Don’t get me wrong, I want Bond to succeed, obviously, but I can’t help but wonder what he was actually trying to achieve, by saying that? It is slightly concerning, to say the least.

Is there beef there?

 

[Shrimper]

Yes he had to have reconstruction surgery in the summer. The initial injury of 15? broken bones may actually effect his career for the rest of his life......I hope not but have seen plenty of tough people be effected by less. Including some nasty facial injuries in local cricket.

Like you I could see he was not right v Millwall but no one wanted the truth to spoil good 'Bond got it all wrong' type posts from the moment the team was announced at Cov.

Seems the injury curse has followed us into this season. Tonight we have no Goodship, Humprhys should definitely be rested which means we should not risk a recovering, not yet ready for 2 starts in 3 days Cox.

That wont stop more posts on here if we lose. Lead by those that are never happy unless they have something to moan about.

Kelman and Robinson tonight then..

 

[marlow17101032]

we We’re talking about it at the weekend,I said I reckon he be gone by Xmas
Most disagreed and said October ??

 

[fbm]

Whilst some may revel in the thought of sacking a Manager after two games it might be worth pointing out that nearly ALL sackings are Fools Gold !!

Theres actually been numerous amounts of research into this. Teams who sack their Manager, do usually get a SHORT TERM UPLIFT . Temporarily the points average lift over the next 8 games goes from 0.8 per match to 1.2. This uplift has been found to have nothing to do with the new Manager, IN FACT IF YOU KEPT THE OLD ONE THE SAME LIFT HAPPENS The mean gets reverted to quite quickly. So much is apparently down to LUCK.

On a separate piece of work, Anderson and Sallys research found Football results are 50% based on LUCK and 50% skill. A further study found Football is a low scoring game whereby CHANCE is more of a factor in victory,

Separately 21st Club Consultancy analysed all the points earned by teams in the top 5 European Leagues before and after sacking. The luck factor around the quality of chances created and conceded made the difference.
Another study by the Dutch found clubs that sacked their Manager after a terrible run and those that were kept also after a similar dire run, found results improved by exactly the same amount.

A Separate study of the Premier league between 2000 and 2015 found that sacking a Manager made little difference to a teams performance for other than a brief spell

On an average, in season replacements have been found to have zero effect on performance either during the season or in the long run. Its not so much about new tactics or Motivational talks its simply the next one in is less likely short term to suffer the same bad luck.

The Management bounce is a naughty Chimera, a phantom that is bound to revert to the median.
Now to be fair you have to be an EXCEPTIONAL Manager Good or Bad to make a big difference, The majority of Managers are all somewhere in the middle, so in wishing to dispense with someone you might just as well wear a pair of luck socks. More importantly and sad but true there is a 90% correlation between WAGES AND SUCCESS. And just think of all the big money and costs that get paid out when a Manager is dumped, the evidence suggests the money would be better spent on youth, academies, scouting and facilities which would make more of a difference, Oh and Wages.

Finally it is noteworthy that in the main replacement Managers come from the jobs market and have often found to be less skilful than the one that went before. I would suggest given his background Bond is very skilful, he , the team and us maybe need a break in fortune for a a little while?

Be careful what you wish for ??

How on earth could that be measured? If the manager hasn't been sacked, how do they know what the results would have been like if he had?

 

[rigsby]

Good points from yourself & Viney regarding the Humphrys issue.

However, if you’re right & he is still affected by the injury - which I suppose he still is - I fail to understand or see the benefit of his manager stating publicly that he “was shocking”.

Don’t get me wrong, I want Bond to succeed, obviously, but I can’t help but wonder what he was actually trying to achieve, by saying that? It is slightly concerning, to say the least.

Is there beef there?

I don't know what Bond said as i haven't listened. Could be that her wanted him to play in a certain way to protect himself but still link up with Cox.

It was obvious to me that that elbow had an effect. A couple of times Cox was challenging for headers from an Oxley kick (deja vu) but Humphrys was lagging behind and neither of them seemed to speak. That meant yet another visiting back 4 had it to easy.

Humphrys had a couple of runs where he tried to cut in from the East but could have passed it quicker to players who were unmarked. Their keeper also tumbled over his own defender in the wind.....Most of us could see that coming but it seemed none of our players could.

Like I say, I'm only guessing because who knows what is really being said. Its often the opposite. For example who now believes that Bond really meant what he said, when he explain his reasons for starting Theo last week......That's not a criticism. You don't let the football world know that a facial injury is effecting the confidence of your big tough number 9. If it isn't then he needs protecting from himself. And you don't want to knock Theos fragile confidence by letting him know he would be on the bench if it wasn't for that injury.

 

[southend4eva]

Give him a chance.
We do have the basis for a good team.
Didn’t like his comments n the players, but they were rubbish.
If they keep this up his out of a job, so maybe an early roasting puts a line in the sand publicly.
Good on him if that’s the case, because we can’t afford to muck around.

 

[Shrimpet steve]

I don’t think we need the go away comments, but it does seem a bit early to be going in on Bond don’t you think Matty? If it’s based on your opinion that he shouldn’t have been appointed, then it’s more a case of never having faith in him than losing faith in him, no?

He is single in out certain players! Playing unfit players! And already played and admitted to picking the wrong starting lineups?? Not good after 2 games? Doesn't install much confidence does it? And im only a fan! What u think the players are thinking? But it is early! Im going stevenage tonight so hopfully we will get a decent result and bond gets it right

 

[South Bank Hank]

Give him a chance.
We do have the basis for a good team.
Didn’t like his comments n the players, but they were rubbish.
If they keep this up his out of a job, so maybe an early roasting puts a line in the sand publicly.
Good on him if that’s the case, because we can’t afford to muck around.

That’s how I see it. Whether Bond is accepted as an experienced manager or not, he’s been around the game long enough to know that singling players out isn’t a great long term strategy. But he still chose to do it, and I’m sure he had considered reasons for it. Time will tell if it’s a regular thing and time will tell if it’s effective.

I can’t think of a time I’ve ever called my team out publicly, but then maybe I’ve not been in the situation where they’ve blatantly not followed instructions and it’s made me look stupid in front of thousands of people. There’s always more than one side to the story.

As some said above, you’d want players to have some backbone and not be offended, but it’s a different world we live in nowadays. We’ll see what effect it has.

 

[MK Shrimper]

Calling players out in public either has the desired response and the player ups his game or he goes into his shell and his confidence is shot. Coxy is an old enough pro to deal with it....Humphrys is a lot younger. Bit of a gamble by KB, but he knows that the last 3 seasons top scorer and the man who saved us from the drop are lauded amongst the fans. Maybe this will tell them that they're not beyond criticism and they have no automatic right to be in the starting 11.

 

[Chapperz]

Never mind Bond, I've lost faith in our next manager already.

 

[rigsby]

That’s how I see it. Whether Bond is accepted as an experienced manager or not, he’s been around the game long enough to know that singling players out isn’t a great long term strategy. But he still chose to do it, and I’m sure he had considered reasons for it. Time will tell if it’s a regular thing and time will tell if it’s effective.

I can’t think of a time I’ve ever called my team out publicly, but then maybe I’ve not been in the situation where they’ve blatantly not followed instructions and it’s made me look stupid in front of thousands of people. There’s always more than one side to the story.

As some said above, you’d want players to have some backbone and not be offended, but it’s a different world we live in nowadays. We’ll see what effect it has.

Many on here wanted a specialist forward coach, which Bond has brought in.

It could be that they have not followed his instructions or worse still completely ignored him.

I’m sure in your world Hank if you ignored the Boss then a quiet word in private may well be the best option. If you ignore someone he has put in place to specifically mange you, team leader etc.... Then he may have no choice other than to publicly respond.

 

[Chris Powell's mate]

Kelman and Robinson tonight then..

In some ways that might have something going fo it.
If they can't show against a winless Stevenage - when will they? In Theo's case, the next bit of news I want to read is he's been loaned to Stevenage, or similar.

 

[Zeuss]

In some ways that might have something going fo it.
If they can't show against a winless Stevenage - when will they? In Theo's case, the next bit of news I want to read is he's been loaned to Stevenage, or similar.

 

[Zeuss]

Surely we’d insist on a PERMANENT transfer—and best to keep him off the pitch tonight.

 

[tallboyblue]

Many on here wanted a specialist forward coach, which Bond has brought in.

It could be that they have not followed his instructions or worse still completely ignored him.

I’m sure in your world Hank if you ignored the Boss then a quiet word in private may well be the best option. If you ignore someone he has put in place to specifically mange you, team leader etc.... Then he may have no choice other than to publicly respond.

Or the specialist coach is useless.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

Or the specialist coach is useless.

Certainly his English is.No idea about his coaching skills but I'd wager he finds it difficult to communicate his ideas.Which ,come to think of it,probably endears him to KB.

 

[Steve Giles]

Won’t be many complaining about KB at least till Saturday, what will they do if we beat Lincoln? KOYB and KB

 

[rigsby]

So Bond gets out of jail with another 2 hit and hope goals from Kelman.

Hopefully his two strikes will get him a non league loan deal, then we just have to ship out Hutchinson, Bishop and Goodship.

If we sign 4 big lumps on loan, do away with this passing from the back nonsense and get back to long ball hoofs I might just give Bond two more games.

I intend to repeat this message on every possible thread because no one ever listens to me face to face.

 

[Steve Giles]

That’s how I see it. Whether Bond is accepted as an experienced manager or not, he’s been around the game long enough to know that singling players out isn’t a great long term strategy. But he still chose to do it, and I’m sure he had considered reasons for it. Time will tell if it’s a regular thing and time will tell if it’s effective.

I can’t think of a time I’ve ever called my team out publicly, but then maybe I’ve not been in the situation where they’ve blatantly not followed instructions and it’s made me look stupid in front of thousands of people. There’s always more than one side to the story.

As some said above, you’d want players to have some backbone and not be offended, but it’s a different world we live in nowadays. We’ll see what effect it has.

I have recently read Joey Barton’s autobiography believe it or not a excellent read, he rated KB highly as a coach , in today’s world many people seem that criticism isn’t allowed. Coxy to me seems the type to want to prove people wrong, psychology sometimes is a excellent motivator, unless your a snowflake

 

[rigsby]

Certainly his English is.No idea about his coaching skills but I'd wager he finds it difficult to communicate his ideas.Which ,come to think of it,probably endears him to KB.

Looks like Charlie Kelman understands him even if you don't