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[fbm]

I'm judging him on the fact that a tax bill wasn't paid for near on 3 years, Who's fault is that? The economy?

To be fair it doesn't matter what you judge Ron on... there will be some that will moan about Ron not paying a tax bill, paying the tax bill but not paying the wages, paying the staff late and then not paying another bill (maybe tax, maybe not), having too much ambition, not being interested in the club, trying to make a profit, mismanaging finances, not dipping into his own personal pocket to discharge every bill we ever have so no one is ever paid late again, not making money available for players and then when he does criticising who we buy...

Unfortunately for these people there is nothing on the credit side and I don't often hear many thanks that Ron has saved this club, bought out Delancey who were trying very hard to put us into administration, got planning permission for our new stadium and personally written off millions of pounds worth of rent that if payable would have seen this club fold years ago.

I therefore tend to take more note of people who's opinions are not diametrically opposed, who know a bit about what happens in the business world, who know how damn difficult it has been for anyone in this credit crunch and whose sole experience of the workings of a football club haven't only been gleaned from games like Football Manager, realistic as they try to be. If those games were properly reflective in real life, every club would have gone bust by the end of season one under the stewardship of some people on here.

So it might actually do many people some good to remember the saying that you shouldn't judge a man until you've walked a mile in his shoes.

As far as I see it, he has said the tax bill would be paid, it looks like the tax bill has been paid, and that's that.

It looks like we'll avoid administration which I'm sure will be welcoming news to all and I'm not certain that all the claims he has come out with in the past that everyone has said were lies have in fact been proved to be the case.

As far as I'm aware, the only thing that's a bit dodgy is the fact that GK said the players have been paid on time except once when in reality it looks like it's the other way around.

Do we know for sure that Ron instructed GK to say that? My guess is that GK made that statement off his own bat and that doesn't actually make Ron a liar.

 

[Onion_Bag_Dave]

Not gonna start a new thread, I'll just wack it on here, so...if we don't go into admin, will the consortium still want to buy, surely its a much more attractive investement, 9th in the league, get their wallet out, Play offs here we come ? Ron won't sell though or let em have a cut. But if wrong I'll eat ten hats.

 

[wynyates]

I appreciate what you say fbm and generally I agree with your comments. You're a more positive character than most people who post and this attitude is a requirement to run a successful business.

I do sometimes worry about RM's realism though. However, in this case he's right and I'm wrong, it happens.

What makes you say that Delancy wanted to take the club into administration? I'm not sure this is true.

I recall they weren't particularly interested in running a football club, but they do specialise in out of town developments. I suspect that they perhaps couldn't see a profit or became dis-satisfied with their partners.

Whatever the case they obviouslt sold to RM at the peak of the market, a few years ago. I think you may find that the price Ron paid to buy them out is a major reason for our problems now. Bad business decision by Ron? Possibly, or just unlucky.

I do believe that Ron is in this for the profit only, and why not. You seem to thionk he is some saviour of SUFC and on this point I would not agree with you.

 

[GBJ]

To be fair it doesn't matter what you judge Ron on... there will be some that will moan about Ron not paying a tax bill, paying the tax bill but not paying the wages, paying the staff late and then not paying another bill (maybe tax, maybe not), having too much ambition, not being interested in the club, trying to make a profit, mismanaging finances, not dipping into his own personal pocket to discharge every bill we ever have so no one is ever paid late again, not making money available for players and then when he does criticising who we buy...

Unfortunately for these people there is nothing on the credit side and I don't often hear many thanks that Ron has saved this club, bought out Delancey who were trying very hard to put us into administration, got planning permission for our new stadium and personally written off millions of pounds worth of rent that if payable would have seen this club fold years ago.

I therefore tend to take more note of people who's opinions are not diametrically opposed, who know a bit about what happens in the business world, who know how damn difficult it has been for anyone in this credit crunch and whose sole experience of the workings of a football club haven't only been gleaned from games like Football Manager, realistic as they try to be. If those games were properly reflective in real life, every club would have gone bust by the end of season one under the stewardship of some people on here.

So it might actually do many people some good to remember the saying that you shouldn't judge a man until you've walked a mile in his shoes.

As far as I see it, he has said the tax bill would be paid, it looks like the tax bill has been paid, and that's that.

It looks like we'll avoid administration which I'm sure will be welcoming news to all and I'm not certain that all the claims he has come out with in the past that everyone has said were lies have in fact been proved to be the case.

As far as I'm aware, the only thing that's a bit dodgy is the fact that GK said the players have been paid on time except once when in reality it looks like it's the other way around.

Do we know for sure that Ron instructed GK to say that? My guess is that GK made that statement off his own bat and that doesn't actually make Ron a liar.

I agree, Ron deserves his fair share of plaudits for saving the club from administration, and reducing the debt 10 years ago. Also, paying off the £2m debt on Friday will be a good thing, that every fan will welcome. However, you must not forget, for all the good RM has done, if the tax bill had been paid, then the club wouldn't be facing admin/winding up orders. That's why i find the "if ron saves us he's a hero" talk quite crazy, as it's down to him we're in the mess. Unfortunately the buck stops with Ron. I'm not denying it's hard running a football club, and in truth 99.9% of people on here could not run one. But that's it, Ron IS running the club. Therefore it's his responsibility to make sure the tax man is paid and the players are paid etc etc.
As Richard Cadette said a little while ago, at the very least the reason why we're in this situation is down to mis-management of the club? I admit i wouldn't like to walk in Ron's shoes, but that's the exact point, i choose not to, whereas RM has chosen that path. Therefore he has to take responsibility.

The lies - in actual fact, i don't think RM has exactly lied, but there's no denying promises have been broken. How many times can you get told this and that, only to have it fall apart? Did he lie intentionally? Who knows. Only one man does.

As for GK, well... there's not a lot of good to say about him, but those who believe he has said stuff to the press/OS etc without RM's knowledge, is very deluded IMO. RM is the main man. Nothing goes out without his say so, end of.

 

[Mad Cyril]

I do believe that Ron is in this for the profit only, and why not.

Disagree.

I reckon he sneaks out of bed at night, drives down to the Hall, switches on the floodlights, puts on classic kits and recreates famous blues goals in a headers and volleys fashion with Geoff King.

 

[fbm]

I appreciate what you say fbm and generally I agree with your comments. You're a more positive character than most people who post and this attitude is a requirement to run a successful business.

I do sometimes worry about RM's realism though. However, in this case he's right and I'm wrong, it happens.

What makes you say that Delancy wanted to take the club into administration? I'm not sure this is true.

I recall they weren't particularly interested in running a football club, but they do specialise in out of town developments. I suspect that they perhaps couldn't see a profit or became dis-satisfied with their partners.

Whatever the case they obviouslt sold to RM at the peak of the market, a few years ago. I think you may find that the price Ron paid to buy them out is a major reason for our problems now. Bad business decision by Ron? Possibly, or just unlucky.

I do believe that Ron is in this for the profit only, and why not. You seem to thionk he is some saviour of SUFC and on this point I would not agree with you.

No, he has been the saviour. That is an undeniable fact.

He is most certainly in it for long term profit - he's a developer. And Delancey wanted out and would have certainly put us into administration had Ron not bought them out.

 

[Jam_Man]

I do believe that Ron is in this for the profit only, and why not. You seem to thionk he is some saviour of SUFC and on this point I would not agree with you.

As I have said before, that doesnt make sense when you look at the facts.

If he was in for the money only why not build a smaller cheaper stadium.

No on on this board expected a 22,000 capacity stadium so why is someone solely interested in making money from the project increasing the costs and cutting his profit margin?

Yes he wants to make money but that stopped being his sole objective some time ago, he wants to improve the football club im 100% certain of that.

 

[wynyates]

You may be right, perhaps it isn't only about profit for RM. I actually admire his tenacity and have warmed to him over the last couple of years.

His attitude will always be different to ours, it has to be. Only time will tell on his legacy.

 

[Somerset Ex-TTB]

personally written off millions of pounds worth of rent that if payable would have seen this club fold years ago.

You all make a big deal out of this, Ron included, however it was his decision to sell all of the clubs assets that the rent is payable on.

A chairman with bigger pockets or a love for the club initially would have paid off the debts without stripping the club of its assets.

If that was the case then there wouldn't be any rent due, so to say he has written it off is a bit misleading.

 

[Holy Joe]

No, he has been the saviour. That is an undeniable fact.

He is most certainly in it for long term profit - he's a developer. And Delancey wanted out and would have certainly put us into administration had Ron not bought them out.

FBM - why would Delancey have put us in admin - wouldn't that have destroyed any value in their investment?

 

[callan]

No, he has been the saviour. That is an undeniable fact.

He is most certainly in it for long term profit - he's a developer. And Delancey wanted out and would have certainly put us into administration had Ron not bought them out.

What sort of saviour takes the club to the brink?

 

[Buckinghamshire Blue]

What sort of saviour takes the club to the brink?

One with lovely hair . . .

 

[GBJ]

One with lovely hair . . .

And tunnel vision....

Stadium! Stadium! Stadium! Stadium!

:)

 

[hindle_666]

john main?

 

[A Century United]

What makes you say that Delancy wanted to take the club into administration? I'm not sure this is true.

FBM - why would Delancey have put us in admin - wouldn't that have destroyed any value in their investment?

It is indeed true, and MtS was very instrumental in persuading Wagman otherwise.

[url="http://www.shrimperzone.com/vb/showthread.php?p=1052402&highlight=wagman+main#post1052402]As per this post[/url]

 

[WestRoadShrimper]

Just a couple of points I think are worth picking up on

I don't often hear many thanks that Ron has saved this club, bought out Delancey who were trying very hard to put us into administration, got planning permission for our new stadium and personally written off millions of pounds worth of rent that if payable would have seen this club fold years ago.

It's a fair point that he stepped in and saved us from the Delancey issue, which on its own is a reason to forever be thankful the man took an interest in us, but to be lauded over the fact he hasn't charged rent is pushing it a bit. He knows full well that once FF is developed he'll make far more in the long term than he's written off in the short. Now on the basis that we all knew he was a property developer when he first stepped in I think it's a bit rich if we complain that he's going to make money out of the development, but equally it's a bit rich for him to be taking credit for not currently charging rent.

As I have said before, that doesnt make sense when you look at the facts.

If he was in for the money only why not build a smaller cheaper stadium.

No on on this board expected a 22,000 capacity stadium so why is someone solely interested in making money from the project increasing the costs and cutting his profit margin?

Yes he wants to make money but that stopped being his sole objective some time ago, he wants to improve the football club im 100% certain of that.

Actually, yes, it does make sense. It's been stated that they want to make greater use of the stadium than just playing football matches - eg trying to put on concerts, making it a conference facility, etc, etc. The bigger the stadium, the more space there is to hold these events, and more people can attend at one time. Increased cost of the build means the development can be used for more things which in turn means more profit.

Now I have no idea if he's solely in it for the money, has the clubs best interests at heart, or has an equal or weighted combination of the two. I also have no idea how you can be 100% certain that improving the club IS on his list of priorities or is just an excuse to make some money. Personally, I don't care one way or the other. Good luck to him if he strikes gold, JUST SO LONG as the club benefit as well.

 

[Holy Joe]

It is indeed true, and MtS was very instrumental in persuading Wagman otherwise.

[url="http://www.shrimperzone.com/vb/showthread.php?p=1052402&highlight=wagman+main#post1052402]As per this post[/url]

I can't get the link to work - anyone know the date of the post - will help in the search!

Thanks

 

[Matt the Shrimp]

It is indeed true, and MtS was very instrumental in persuading Wagman otherwise.

As per this post

MattE - try that.

 

[Holy Joe]

MattE - try that.

Thanks - still don't understand why Delancy wanted us to go into admin.

 

[bilbyboy]

I agree! Burgers which taste more like rubber! come on.... £2.80 for a burger which is cold and tastes like **** is wrong.....

and no onions for some obscure health and safety problem, yep it is all wrong. UTB