I was a decent player scored 19 goals in my last season!
???? funniest thing you’ve ever said. FIFA career mode? Without context that’s just funny.
Age? How long ago? Level? I assume you have no experience whatsoever of coaching, teaching, talent ID, mentoring? No knowledge of youth development? Understanding of player development, player pathways? No knowledge of academy systems or levels?
I’m ok with anyone having an opinion on what they see but yours all seem to be about judgements on how players will turn out and are always scathing of the potential of a player probably your age!
I watch all levels of football from Concorde to man utd!
And there’s your problem (well one of them). You see every player ability as binary. A result driven end product of his level right now based simply on watching a game where the scoreline determines your opinion. Worse than that often is based on what you’ve read or what you remember because you haven’t even seen the player in question!
Hutchinson was signed by derby then loaned to forest green and then permanently at forest green but hasnt impressed!
Oh, and for every Hutchinson you name i can throw at you Bentley, Hayden, Mavididi.. shall I go on?
Firstly Hutchinson isn’t permanently at FG. They did ask for an option to buy but Derby refused it so he’ll return to derby immediately after the play offs for the next year of his contract.
You have to stop thinking that clubs only send players out on loan to get rid of them and start to appreciate they do it to bridge a gap in levels and to aid the players development. The gap from their 23s to Championship is huge and it’s likely a loan to the EFL was seen as a good way to bridge it.
I don’t think things have gone particularly well for him at FG but there could be a multitude of reasons for that that we will never be aware of. What I am sure of is that clubs will expect the player to benefit from a whole host of things on loan and they aren’t all based on how many games they play. He will have had experience very different to what he got at Southend.
FG have some very good, very experienced pros, very different to most of the ‘experienced pros’ he had influence his career at Southend. He’s found it tough to break into a winning team rather than quite easy to be picked ahead of schedule, at a poor Southend one. He will have benefitted from that and benefitted from the training levels and the experience of winning games and being at the top end of the table, not to mention experiencing the play offs which isn’t something all players get to do.
He’s still a young player, who has moved house 6 times in a year during a global pandemic, unsettling at the best of times!
Some loans work and some don’t, but the key is to take something from it no matter what. Harry Kane had three different loans as a young player none of which on the face of it were successful on the pitch. They all helped shape him to what he is today.
The journey is a tough one, but I wouldn’t go writing Hutchinson off as a failure and someone who didn’t go on to improve after Southend just yet. He’s just turned 21, he has 50 senior appearances under his belt, he’s played for 8 different managers in 3 seasons as a pro (2 of whom were ex England internationals), he’s experienced a relegation battle, a relegation, the league 2 play offs, a loan to another club, he’s captained a team in the FA Cup 3rd round on live TV, he has the pedigree of playing in two of the countries most highly rated academies and he has another years contract at a Championship football club.
Of course he may or may not still make a career. But he’s the same age as Erin Kinali and Emile Acquah, a year young than Lewis Gard and Tom Clifford and nearly 3 years younger than Harry Phillips and had he stayed at Southend he’d now have back to back relegations on his CV and be waiting on Ron to activate an option that would make him a non league player with another 25% pay cut!!
Tell me how has kelmen done at QPR?
Kelman is still a teenager!! He also has substantial EFL experience under his belt already. He also has some championship experience already. He is also finding life tough and experiencing that away from Southend where things were so rubbish he got games without having to work that hard, that life as a pro among other good hard working pros is a little tougher. However, like Hutchinson, it is exactly what will make him be a better player if he can stick at it and learn all the valuable lessons young players have to learn about hard work, dedication and resilience to move on and resist failing or finding life hard!
From what I've seen of kenny coker I'm not sure he will make the grade at norwich but that's my opinion.
You’ve barely seen Kenny Coker. As was stated above no one has. Personally I thought he was way out of his depth and in the first team way too soon. However I don’t believe that makes him not good enough I simply believe that like Hutchinson and Kelman (and a host of others) he was thrown in too soon into one of the worst environments I’ve ever known in a pro football club. However someone smelled the money and realised that a player of his age who they’d got for nothing from a local club at nearly 16 was t worth much under the EPPP agreement unless he had a little first team experience and his ‘potential’ could be demonstrated to bump up his worth.
He will go to a Cat 1 academy and it’ll be the most alien thing in the world to him. There will be times he regrets the decision and wishes he was back at Southend. He will probably barely be seen or heard of by us unless checking the Norwich website specifically. But he will improve in that environment playing for their 18s and 23s a million times more than he would’ve at Southend playing Torquay and Exeter’s 23s and sitting on the bench in a Conference side. Norwich will have some serious polishing to do on his tactical and technical abilities but when the time is right he will get his game time either there or on loan and his journey will continue. He may or may not break through at Norwich but he will definitely become a better player.
I agree with you Steve that if you’re good enough you’re old enough, but you have to stop thinking that if you’re not good enough at 17/18/19 even 20/21 that that means you never will be. It’s simply not true and it’s been proven time and time again....unless of course you want to judge everyone by the freak examples of the tiny tiny % that do become world stars at 17........I can barely name 5.....that should tell you everything.
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I know this will be wasted on him and I know he is probably fishing....but hey, it’s a slow day!
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