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Not that I'm sure any of us need it, but this was in the Guardian today

Warning to abusive bloggers as judge tells site to reveal names
· Football fans may face expensive libel claims
· Defamation lawyers see growth area in cyberspace
Clare Dyer, legal editor The Guardian Monday October 22 2007
Disgruntled fans of Sheffield Wednesday who vented their dissatisfaction with the football club's bigwigs in anonymous internet postings may face expensive libel claims after the chairman, chief executive and five directors won a high-court ruling last week forcing the owner of a website to reveal their identity.

The case, featuring the website owlstalk.co.uk, is the second within days to highlight the danger of assuming that the apparent cloak of anonymity gives users of internet forums and chatrooms carte blanche to say whatever they like.

In another high court case last week, John Finn, owner of the Sunderland property firm Pallion Housing, admitted just before he was due to be cross-examined that he was responsible for a website hosting a scurrilous internet campaign about a rival housing organisation, Gentoo Group, its employees and owner, Peter Walls.

Exposing the identity of those who post damaging lies in cyberspace is a growth area for libel lawyers.

Dan Tench, of Olswang, the law firm representing Gentoo, said: "This case illustrates an increasingly important legal issue: proving who is responsible for the publication of anonymous material on the internet. This is likely to be a significant issue in defamation cases in the future."

The website Dadsplace, set up to campaign against perceived injustices in the family courts, had a forum where anonymous postings made various accusations against Gentoo, Mr Walls and his staff.

Those posting the comments went to considerable lengths to hide their identity, and Gentoo's lawyers ran up a bill estimated to be about £300,000 - which Mr Finn will now have to pick up, along with any damages awarded - taking the case to court and amassing circumstantial evidence that he was behind the website.

Revealing the Sheffield Wednesday fans was comparatively easy since there was no secret about the website owner. The next move was to apply for a court order requiring him to reveal the identities of "Halfpint" and the other fans behind what the club's lawyers described as a "sustained campaign of vilification". Fans made serious allegations against the club's chairman, Dave Allen, and directors and shareholders.

The club's lawyers asked the judge, Richard Parkes QC, to order disclosure about the identity of 11 fans.

But the judge decided some fans, whose postings were merely "abusive" or likely to be understood as jokes, should keep their anonymity.

The judge ordered that three fans whose postings might "reasonably be understood to allege greed, selfishness, untrustworthiness and dishonest behaviour", should be unmasked. Their right to maintain their anonymity and express themselves freely was outweighed by the directors' entitlement to take action to protect their reputation, he said.

Court orders obliging websites to disclose the identity of users posting anonymous defamatory remarks began in 2001.

Dominic Bray, of K&L Gates, Sheffield Wednesday's solicitors, said: "There seem to be quite a lot of websites that are using their anonymity to make comments about people and think that there shouldn't be any liability for it. But the internet is no different to any other place of publication, and if somebody is making defamatory comments about people then they should be held responsible for it. What these cases do is just confirm that's the law - the law applies to the internet as much as it does to anything else."
 
So out of interest then as SZ.com is a limited company, do you have liability insurance to cover any legal claims?
 
Legal question:

Can I sue anyone who has neg-repped me?

*looks up Mike Strutter's phone number*
 
Erm, yes they can if the comments are slanderous, libellous or damaging.

Exactly, but then again you guys (the moderators) are in the main on the ball when it comes to removing or editing any potential legally damaging posts and warning who has posted them (some on here might say too zealous, but that's a discussion for another time).

Surely though, the number of times threads have had to be deleted or modified on here over the past 5 or so years isn't that many?
 
You'd be surprised. Enough to keep us busy.

Anything happen in terms of the guidelines that somebody drew up (was it SUFCinthePrem?) for anybody using the forum bringing to people's attention how they're expected to post on here?

Personally, if there's anything I think could be legally damaging that I post on here, I always try to put in words like allegedly to try & minimise any risks, but then again I guess in the heat of the moment not all people do this.
 
Could Matt Harrold end up a very rich man at the expense of a select group of SZ members?
 
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Is alleging Matt Harrold is a ****** slanderous/libelous?:hilarious:
 
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Bring the ***** on! if they value their lives they wont bother! seriously something must be done about this!

Its not just comments which are libellous, comments making threats of violence or harassment could be subject to legal action as well.
 
Could Matt Harrold end up a very rich man at the expense of a select group of SZ members?

Its unlikely that a court would hold that the views of the SZ posters slagging him off were worth listening to.

On the other hand Billy Paynter and Steve Tilson could IMHO successfully sue if people want to allege that Paynter was only signed because he was banging Tilly's daughter.
 
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Its unlikely that a court would hold that the views of the SZ posters slagging him off were worth listening to.

On the other hand Billy Paynter and Steve Tilson could IMHO have successfully sued over the allegations that Paynter was only signed because he was Tilly's daughter.


Cheers for that piece of libel. It was good of you to post the very thing someone could be sued over.
 
Its unlikely that a court would hold that the views of the SZ posters slagging him off were worth listening to.

On the other hand Billy Paynter and Steve Tilson could IMHO successfully sue if people want to allege that Paynter was only signed because he was Tilly's daughter.

Paynter is Tilly's daughter!

:eek:
 
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