Local elections 2018

[SARF]

Good night formthe tories.. disaster averted..
labour missing an open goal by going all remainy after the general election and alienating its core support oop north..
Pandering to London labour who would sooner go non vegan than vote Tory

 

[OldBlueLady]

Yes agreed, no one should vote Tory but a lot of people are set it their ways and a lot of others are scared of the word socialist.

I think that's a bit dismissive. A lot of people mistrust Labour intently when it comes to managing the country's finances - simple as that!

 

[rigsby]

Good night formthe tories.. disaster averted..
labour missing an open goal by going all remainy after the general election and alienating its core support oop north..
Pandering to London labour who would sooner go non vegan than vote Tory

Its not just up north. Nobody trusts Labour on Brexit. You only have to read their loudest supporters on here to know full well they are desperate to weasel out of Brexit. If they backed it they could have had a chance. Defeat at the next GE is now inevitable.

Its all well and good listing the crimes of the worst government ever but that means yesterday was a disaster for Labour. As per usual the left won't be honest over their defeat and you will all continue to suffer.

 

[Another Surrey Shrimper]

I think that's a bit dismissive. A lot of people mistrust Labour intently when it comes to managing the country's finances - simple as that!

Indeed, yet the Tories have tripled national debt without a worldwide financial crash in the space of 7 years compared to the debt Labour accrued in 13 years with a worldwide financial crash.

 

[Another Surrey Shrimper]

Good night formthe tories.. disaster averted..
labour missing an open goal by going all remainy after the general election and alienating its core support oop north..
Pandering to London labour who would sooner go non vegan than vote Tory

Disaster averted, but the BBC have just produced a general election projection based on yesterday's vote and they calculate Parliamentary seats would be:
Labour 283 (+21)
Tory 280 (-38)
LibDem 22 (+10)

so not a disaster, but certainly not good news for the Tories
Labour 'going all remainy'? Is that a predition? Labour policy is that we will leave the EU due to the Referendum result.

Politics is so crazy currently - Labour get attacked for being Leave and attacked for being Remain. Reality is that they are not in government and Brexit will be an achievement or failure due to the current government.

 

[Bielzibubz]

Indeed, yet the Tories have tripled national debt without a worldwide financial crash in the space of 7 years compared to the debt Labour accrued in 13 years with a worldwide financial crash.

And yet the great British public STILL don't see JC and his acolytes as a viable alternative to the status quo, at least not at local level. Care to explain that conundrum given your last post.

And......while I'm here. It's remarkable isn't it. The first sign of the Tories cocking something up (and let's face it there's lots to choose from) and Shrimperzones very own one man Spanish Socialist party is all over it like a tramp on chips yet when the local council election results contradict all he's pronounced for days on end you don't here a squeak......Strange that :smile:

Yes cheap shot I know but i couldn't resist it. :whistling:

 

[Benfleet A1]

And yet the great British public STILL don't see JC and his acolytes as a viable alternative to the status quo, at least not at local level. Care to explain that conundrum given your last post.

And......while I'm here. It's remarkable isn't it. The first sign of the Tories cocking something up (and let's face it there's lots to choose from) and Shrimperzones very own one man Spanish Socialist party is all over it like a tramp on chips yet when the local council election results contradict all he's pronounced for days on end you don't here a squeak......Strange that :smile:

Yes cheap shot I know but i couldn't resist it. :whistling:

Not bad for a bigot:smile:

 

[Bielzibubz]

Not bad for a bigot:smile:

Thanks :smile: I thought so too!

 

[Massimo Giovanni]

If, and for us on this forum, it should be important, how does a big Tory majority in Southend Council affect Fossett Farm and Roots Hall? IMO not helpful .

 

[Another Surrey Shrimper]

And yet the great British public STILL don't see JC and his acolytes as a viable alternative to the status quo, at least not at local level. Care to explain that conundrum given your last post.

And......while I'm here. It's remarkable isn't it. The first sign of the Tories cocking something up (and let's face it there's lots to choose from) and Shrimperzones very own one man Spanish Socialist party is all over it like a tramp on chips yet when the local council election results contradict all he's pronounced for days on end you don't here a squeak......Strange that :smile:

Yes cheap shot I know but i couldn't resist it. :whistling:

Public still don't trust Labour on a local level? Yesterday's results you mean? Not sure how you reach that conclusion. With one council yet to declare:

Labour: 2,310 (+59)
Tories: 1,330 (-31)
LibDem: 536 (+75)
UKIP: 3 (-123)


So Labour claimed about 300 seats more than all of the other parties combined. That's because the constituencies were not UK wide, but still Labour improved on a very good starting point, and they now have more Councillors than at any point in my lifetime - and I am 46.


What in these figures indicates a lack of trust?


Barna was on here this morning, I'm sure he won't be gone for long. Maybe google 'obscure blues shows in Spain' - you'll probably find he is at one of those.

 

[Another Surrey Shrimper]

Principles sometimes have a very short shelflife:

Conservatives take control of Pendle Council by one seat after reinstating - this morning - a councillor who was suspended for racist tweets.

 

[SARF]

Principles don’t equal power.. losers have principles. Ask Hilary Clinton
Labour backtracked on the customs union leaving the left wing ukip voters with nowhere to go other than Tory
I have no idea why corbo.. an massive anti eu man, let this happen. Unless his power base within the party is all remain champagne socialists from London .. whereas his real support, in the swing seats, is in the regions

 

[Another Surrey Shrimper]

Principles don’t equal power.. losers have principles. Ask Hilary Clinton
Labour backtracked on the customs union leaving the left wing ukip voters with nowhere to go other than Tory
I have no idea why corbo.. an massive anti eu man, let this happen. Unless his power base within the party is all remain champagne socialists from London .. whereas his real support, in the swing seats, is in the regions

Hilary Clinton has principals?
(and other incredulous questions)

 

[OldBlueLady]

At this time in power, at local elections, you would normally expect the party in opposition, especially in opposition at the moment, to "win big". They simply haven't. To end up "neck and neck" if translated to a GE outcome, is simply not very good for Labour and shows that there is still clear mistrust.

 

[Massimo Giovanni]

At this time in power, at local elections, you would normally expect the party in opposition, especially in opposition at the moment, to "win big". They simply haven't. To end up "neck and neck" if translated to a GE outcome, is simply not very good for Labour and shows that there is still clear mistrust.

Very simple message isn't it really. Labour can dress it up any way it likes and argue that it is an unfair judgement of Jeremy, Abbott, MacDonald etc AND that it is "just" a Jewish issue to be sorted BUT they would be wrong and doing the core Labour, non metropolitan past and potential voter wrong too. Have they surrounded themselves with just "yes" people (and momentum activists) that they don't have a true idea of average worries and concerns?

 

[Another Surrey Shrimper]

Very simple message isn't it really. Labour can dress it up any way it likes and argue that it is an unfair judgement of Jeremy, Abbott, MacDonald etc AND that it is "just" a Jewish issue to be sorted BUT they would be wrong and doing the core Labour, non metropolitan past and potential voter wrong too. Have they surrounded themselves with just "yes" people (and momentum activists) that they don't have a true idea of average worries and concerns?

they are surrounded by yes people? Not in the slightest - Corbyn needed to be elected leader twice remember because he was surrounded by 'no' people. After being elected each time he invited 'no' people into the shadow cabinet.
I'm not a member of Momentum but I have met many who are out canvassing and they are everyone - all walks of life, just people who are re-engaged in politics and Momentum are very well organised so it's easy for people to be involved.

In the local elections before the 2017 GE Labour did very badly but the GE campaign was so good they they built up to 40% of the vote. These locals there was some good and some bad news but Labour won seats from a good start point. Labour are in control of the vast majority of London and their targets were ambitious and would never be on the radar ordinarily, but of those they didn't win Westminster the share of the vote was 42.8% to 41.1% - that is nicely set up for next time.

BBC extrapolated this week's vote and calculated that if it had been a GE then Labour would be the largest party in Parliament right now.

 

[OldBlueLady]

BBC extrapolated this week's vote and calculated that if it had been a GE then Labour would be the largest party in Parliament right now.

Not on any of the news programmes I saw, figures quoted had them both neck and neck.

 

[Bielzibubz]

Quoted from the BBC.

"According to the BBC's projected national vote share, the Conservative party is three points down on what it achieved in 2017's county council elections but, after eight years in government, it is better than its performance in any of the local elections held between 2012 and 2014 and in 2016"

"For Labour, the results don't suggest confident strides towards Number 10, but neither are they so bad that the party is likely to re-examine their approach.

One shadow minister told the BBC it was "very serious to be going backwards" in some Midlands areas. Another said in frustration that there was "no strategy", but said nothing will change in their view, because "we've got 500,000 people who think this guy walks on water". WOW!.....spot on. (my italics)

"The Conservatives are widely seen to have benefitted from the collapse of the UKIP vote - prompting leading Brexiters such as Boris Johnson and Iain Duncan Smith to urge the prime minister to press on with plans for a clean break with the EU"

"We have to do better if we're going to be in government," said Lady Smith, Labour's leader in the House of Lords.

"Not much went wrong, but not as much went as well as we'd have liked," she told BBC's Newsnight.

 

[Massimo Giovanni]

they are surrounded by yes people? Not in the slightest - Corbyn needed to be elected leader twice remember because he was surrounded by 'no' people. After being elected each time he invited 'no' people into the shadow cabinet.
I'm not a member of Momentum but I have met many who are out canvassing and they are everyone - all walks of life, just people who are re-engaged in politics and Momentum are very well organised so it's easy for people to be involved.

In the local elections before the 2017 GE Labour did very badly but the GE campaign was so good they they built up to 40% of the vote. These locals there was some good and some bad news but Labour won seats from a good start point. Labour are in control of the vast majority of London and their targets were ambitious and would never be on the radar ordinarily, but of those they didn't win Westminster the share of the vote was 42.8% to 41.1% - that is nicely set up for next time.

BBC extrapolated this week's vote and calculated that if it had been a GE then Labour would be the largest party in Parliament right now.

Thanks for that A.S.S.:thumbsup:
I do think you should consider if you have, in effect, and in your own words, proved the point I was trying to make: Labour needs to be more about more people than just Momentum and London socialists.

 

[SARF]

Labour did well in the GE on a leave the EU mandate.. they have backtracked on that.. the key swing seats in any current GE are leave areas .. I’m gobsmacked labour has dumped,these voters into the laps of the tories.. they would sooner vote for Boris than staying in The EU.