Migrant boat deaths in the Med.

[Tangled up in Blue]

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-32377768

This was a terrible tragedy just waiting to happen.It needs to be sorted out at EU level,asap.

 

[MK Shrimper]

What can you do? The "glorious" Arab springs from a few years ago have resorted to nothing but genocide and it shows these and other poor sods will risk their lived to get away from it.

 

[mrsblue]

Once again politicians create the situation and politicians are clueless how to stop the situation.

Step 1,massive leaflet drop over Syria explaining the death toll and danger they face.
Step 2,blockade Syrian ports.
Step 3,adopt the Australian method which has resulted in 0 boats trying to go there.

 

[MK Shrimper]

Once again politicians create the situation and politicians are clueless how to stop the situation.

Step 1,massive leaflet drop over Syria explaining the death toll and danger they face.
Step 2,blockade Syrian ports.
Step 3,adopt the Australian method which has resulted in 0 boats trying to go there.

Explain step 1 to someone who can see their family rounded up and executed because they don't follow the same ******** religion....and as for Australia..... http://www.theguardian.com/world/2002/jan/19/immigration.uk

 

[mrsblue]

Explain step 1 to someone who can see their family rounded up and executed because they don't follow the same ******** religion.

It's a mess nobody can dispute that fact.

12 years on when the first boat load arrived in Italy and since last Friday according to officials some 14,000 have landed or died trying to get into Italy.

Can Europe which is already on it's knees through unemployment and social problems really take more people who will only make the situation far worse.

 

[MK Shrimper]

It's a mess nobody can dispute that fact.

12 years on when the first boat load arrived in Italy and since last Friday according to officials some 14,000 have landed or died trying to get into Italy.

Can Europe which is already on it's knees through unemployment and social problems really take more people who will only make the situation far worse.

Is it on it's knees? Do you have any evidence for that statement?

 

[mrsblue]

Is it on it's knees? Do you have any evidence for that statement?

Greece will almost certainly leave or be ejected from the Eurozone,they are bankrupt.
Spain,Italy,France,Portugal have massive unemployment with millions unable to purchase medication for their health needs.
Germany teetering on the brink of recession.
The Euro has virtually crashed.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

It's a mess nobody can dispute that fact.

12 years on when the first boat load arrived in Italy and since last Friday according to officials some 14,000 have landed or died trying to get into Italy.

Can Europe which is already on it's knees through unemployment and social problems really take more people who will only make the situation far worse.

One of the few things I'm prepared to give NF any credit for it is, that (unlike Cameron), he has always insisted that the UK take in its fair share of refugees.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

Greece will almost certainly leave or be ejected from the Eurozone,they are bankrupt.
Spain,Italy,France,Portugal have massive unemployment with millions unable to purchase medication for their health needs.
Germany teetering on the brink of recession.
The Euro has virtually crashed.

Is this what they tell you in the Daily Fail or Express?

 

[callan]

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-32377768

This was a terrible tragedy just waiting to happen.It needs to be sorted out at EU level,asap.

EU or the UN?

 

[mrsblue]

One of the few things I'm prepared to give NF any credit for it is, that (unlike Cameron), he has always insisted that the UK take in its fair share of refugees.

Define how many,500,5000,50,000,100,000,1,000,000,2,000,000!

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

EU or the UN?

EU.That's the body that have relinquished their responsibility for patrolling (and policing) the Med.properly.

Define how many,500,5000,50,000,100,000,1,000,000,2,000,000!

I'd suggest proportionate (rather than absolute) numbers constitutes "fair" here

 

[callan]

EU.That's the body that have relinquished their responsibility for patrolling (and policing) the Med.properly.

In terms of the territorial waters I believe you are correct.

However for me, the fact that so many are trying desperately to get to Europe....suggests we need to make these people safe in their Country of origin, wherever that maybe.

For me that is where the UN comes in, we need to create safe havens not just in Europe but throughout the world.

 

[MK Shrimper]

In terms of the territorial waters I believe you are correct.

However for me, the fact that so many are trying desperately to get to Europe....suggests we need to make these people safe in their Country of origin, wherever that maybe.

For me that is where the UN comes in, we need to create safe havens not just in Europe but throughout the world.

I think we tried that by removing Saddam & Gaddafi. The Middle East and North Africa is so incredibly complex - there is no bad guys, just shades of total ******.

 

[superblue24]

I think we tried that by removing Saddam & Gaddafi. The Middle East and North Africa is so incredibly complex - there is no bad guys, just shades of total ******.

What do we do then? Invite them all over to the EU to intermingle with residents who do not share their ideology or religious views? You can't keep importing immigrants all the time, it creates a lot of friction and disrupts the balance. Especially if they're just going to be found a home and lounge about on benefits. Who will pick up the bill for that?

 

[mrsblue]

I think we tried that by removing Saddam & Gaddafi. The Middle East and North Africa is so incredibly complex - there is no bad guys, just shades of total ******.

Sadly the West only made things far worse,the 2 you mention managed to control the masses with whatever means they chose it was never pretty but it worked.Now both countries are in disarray with the West long retreated out of it.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

In terms of the territorial waters I believe you are correct.

However for me, the fact that so many are trying desperately to get to Europe....suggests we need to make these people safe in their Country of origin, wherever that maybe.

For me that is where the UN comes in, we need to create safe havens not just in Europe but throughout the world.

Are you suggesting setting up refugee camps in Libya etc, to process migrants appications for asylum, (which I believe is official UKIP policy)?

 

[Sandbach Shrimper]

How naive we all were when we thought the 'Arab Spring' would liberate the Middle East.

It's a tragedy but these people know the risks and what can we do about it? At the end of the day they're crossing illegally and in most cases being smuggled. We all know which country they want to come to...

 

[Yorkshire Blue]

What do we do then? Invite them all over to the EU to intermingle with residents who do not share their ideology or religious views? You can't keep importing immigrants all the time, it creates a lot of friction and disrupts the balance. Especially if they're just going to be found a home and lounge about on benefits. Who will pick up the bill for that?

Not sure what you base that on. Someone who risks their life in such a manner would seem to me to be someone proactive and entrepreneurial. The type of person we'd want to attract.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

How naive we all were when we thought the 'Arab Spring' would liberate the Middle East.

It's a tragedy but these people know the risks and what can we do about it? At the end of the day they're crossing illegally and in most cases being smuggled. We all know which country they want to come to...

According to the BBC news at lunchtime, the prefererred countries on the migrants list were :-

1.Germany

2.France

3.Italy.

4.U.K.