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Music & Politics

typical Grauniad piece, faux-intellectual, with a smidgen of sixth-form politics, a snobbery about music, and a disdain for Thatcherism. 6/10
 
typical Grauniad piece, faux-intellectual, with a smidgen of sixth-form politics, a snobbery about music, and a disdain for Thatcherism. 6/10

Agreed.

Next week: How radicals of the 80s have become mainstream and write for newspapers like the Grauniad.
 
Even if you take it at face value, it just proves that Cameron is from the same school of sound-bite & image politics as Tony Blair. Cameron is just trying to "appeal" to as many voters as possible. The guy is a clueless, smug ****. The one place he scores heavily over Gordon Brown is he isn't Scottish!!!:puke ;)

That said the the part about Cameron trying to get a photo outside the sign of the Lads Club, was highly amusing, in a sad way. Do we really elect childish plonkers to act like this??!!:stunned:
 
Good old Paul Weller:-

When I put in a call to Paul Weller, he mentions Cameron's alleged fondness for his old songs, and expresses a fatalistic puzzlement. "It's like, which bit didn't he get?" he says. "It's strange, but the whole nature of politics has shifted, hasn't it? The stark contrasts of Thatcherism and socialism have gone: you can't really tell who's Brown or Cameron or anyone else. I don't know what Cameron's for or against, really. Even with that div who's running for mayor - Boris Johnson - there's some things he's said that I've found myself agreeing with, like bringing back the Routemaster buses. You sort of think, 'Hang on - I'm agreeing with a Tory ****.'"

When I mention his residual feelings about the long years of Thatcherism, however, out it all comes. "I think they were absolute ****ing scum - especially Thatcher, who I think should be shot as a traitor to the people. I still think that, and nothing will ever change my opinion. We're still feeling the effects of what they did to the country now, and probably always will: the whole breakdown of communities, trade unions, the working class - the dismantling of lots of things."
 
typical Grauniad piece, faux-intellectual, with a smidgen of sixth-form politics, a snobbery about music, and a disdain for Thatcherism. 6/10

Nowt wrong with a disdain of Thatcherism.
I always found the Grauniad to be plastic socialists playing at it when they felt like it.

As for Cameron, it shows to me that whatever the bands intentions there are still people out there, some purporting to be fairly intelligent, who either like the band because the sound "nice" (the hear the song but don't listen to it) or because its "cool" to say so. pompous public school twunt
 
Couldn't read beyond the name Thatcher. How I long for the day of her death.

Totally agree. I will make sure you get an invite to the The Thatch is dead party. Finding a venue big enough might be a problem though!! I've booked Priory Park, but don't think its going to be big enough!!
 
So should we all agree 100% with the politics of our favourite artists, or only the ones who use use political lyrics?

Or is it actually acceptable for us to like an artist because we admire their passion and creativity, or just plain like the music...
 
So should we all agree 100% with the politics of our favourite artists, or only the ones who use use political lyrics?

Or is it actually acceptable for us to like an artist because we admire their passion and creativity, or just plain like the music...


I don't think you can like an artist if you don't like the lyrics. if the artist does not make political statements in their music then obviously their politics are nothing to do with the listener. But if the Artist is making political statements in their lyrics how can you dislike the statement yet like the song ? Unless, of course , you don't understand the lyrics and then you would not be able to agree or disagree.

I mean Eton Rifles actually cites Camerons own school in a song about class war....If a bad mocked the working classes I would dispise them however good the track sounded.
 
I don't think you can like an artist if you don't like the lyrics. if the artist does not make political statements in their music then obviously their politics are nothing to do with the listener. But if the Artist is making political statements in their lyrics how can you dislike the statement yet like the song ? Unless, of course , you don't understand the lyrics and then you would not be able to agree or disagree.

I mean Eton Rifles actually cites Camerons own school in a song about class war....If a bad mocked the working classes I would dispise them however good the track sounded.

You can like (maybe appreciate would be a more appropriate word?) a song's lyrics without necessarily agreeing with them. I went to see Billy Bragg the other week and much of what he says is far too leftie for my likings but it was still challenging and interesting to hear.

I started reading this Guardian piece on the way in to work this morning and it just annoyed me too much for me to finish it.
 
i like NWA but not necessarily the lyrics

Easy for you to say that in cosy Kent. Not so simple for people like me in South Central Uxbridge.


(I was actually listening to Straight Outta Compton the other day. Quite a way to kick off your morning).
 
typical Grauniad piece, faux-intellectual, with a smidgen of sixth-form politics, a snobbery about music, and a disdain for Thatcherism. 6/10

Blimey, who p*ssed on your chips?!

:dizzy:

Oh well, I thought it was interesting. Besides, if it's a "typical Grauniad piece... 6/10", where do we find the 8/10 or better writing...?

:thump:
 
Blimey, who p*ssed on your chips?!

:dizzy:

Oh well, I thought it was interesting. Besides, if it's a "typical Grauniad piece... 6/10", where do we find the 8/10 or better writing...?

:thump:

Probably from most 14 year olds!! To fall back on the old Ian Dury saying, Its a load of old Bollo!!! Yes, its well written, but its all crap about probably one of the most pointless people on this planet.

It makes voting for James Dudridge to be my MP, difficult, not that my one vote will make any difference in Toryland. I personally vote for the person to represent me, not the party!! :soapbox:
 
Probably from most 14 year olds!! To fall back on the old Ian Dury saying, Its a load of old Bollo!!! Yes, its well written, but its all crap about probably one of the most pointless people on this planet.

It makes voting for James Dudridge to be my MP, difficult, not that my one vote will make any difference in Toryland. I personally vote for the person to represent me, not the party!! :soapbox:

I tend to vote for the party, not its elected mouthpiece. Although the state of the party is often well reflected by what is percieved to be their "finest example"
 
There are a lot of people in this world who listen to a tune, mouth the words and never pay the slightest bit of attention to what the lyrics mean. I believe that some daft Christian band covered The La's classic 'There She Goes' a few years ago, completely oblivious to the fact that the 'she' in question is apparently heroin, racing through his veins. I think it's clear that the Tories interviewed did the same, otherwise their political alliegances would have been rather different.

It was certainly interesting to see Hazel Blears behaving like a six year old and actually screwing up a Tory own goal. David Cameron recreating the Salford Boys Club picture? Political suicide, surely? What would that be about? Misguided hopes of wooing the disaffected Generation X over to the blue side of the street? They are, tragically for democracy, all as bad as each other these days.

The funny thing is that in amongst the nostalgia and soundbites, the journalist never addressed one key point; where are the protest songs now?

We live in a country where the people are disenfranchised, education has become a joke, petty crime is rife, respect is minimal and two-bit morons are worshipped as celebrities. We're embroiled in two concurrent wars, both of which look set to outstrip World War Two in terms of longievity. Personal debt is enormous, house prices are about to tumble, the economy is going to explode and Howard Brown is still doing those poxy Halifax adverts.

Where are our heroes now?
 
Having read the piece in full now I think I can sum it up thus:

John Harris likes The Smiths and The Jam. But hates the Tories. He doesn't think it's fair that people he hates like the same music as him.

Never mind.
 
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