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Ref Watch Non-league refwatch ......... Woking (H)

Mick

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On Saturday we play Woking for just the second time in the club’s history, just 2 days short of 24 years after our only previous match – the 2-0 away Cup victory. I don’t remember too much about the game except that we were well on top, it rained a lot and we had an unlikely goalscoring combination of Nathan Jones and Phil Gridelet. Also, they gave us visiting supporters seats in comfortably the best stand in the ground.

Woking are referred to as “the Cards”, not through any abundance of red and yellow cards, but as a contraction of the Cardinals. Again, nothing religious, simply their shirt colours were designated cardinal red. Regular winners of the FA Trophy a while back (although they lost in the final to Grays in the one I saw with Jamie Stuart, Stuart Thurgood, Michael Kightly and Gary Hooper in the Grays squad) and before that FA Amateur Cup winners, their most famous result is probably their 4-2 FA Cup win at West Bromwich Albion with a memorable hat-trick for Tony Buzaglo.

Saturday’s match will be refereed by Londoner, Ryan Atkin who hit the headlines in a big way just over 4 years ago when he decided to publicly declare that he was gay – the first match official in the English professional game to do so (he was running the line in Football League matches at the time). He has since been followed by the seemingly permanently injured Championship referee James Adcock who had averaged just 6 games a season for the past 5 years and has now retired.

A Senior Manager within the railway industry, in his mid 30s, Atkin is now concentrating on refereeing (rather than lining) and is in his third year as a National League referee. Those two and a bit seasons have seen just 16 National League matches – only two of which have been this season. His most recent league match was Woking’s impressive home win over Chesterfield. Those 16 matches have produced 48 yellow cards and 3 red cards.

He has not refereed Southend before but this will be his fourth Woking match. In addition to the win against Chesterfield, he did their 5-1 win at Dover last season and their 2-1 defeat at Ebbsfleet the season before. He has been a regular Assistant or Fourth Official at Roots Hall over recent years.

Assistants are Hugh Gilroy from Chiswick who performed a similar role in our match at Wealdstone and Gary Jerden, a PE educationalist from Wickford. Kirsty Dowle, also a worker on the railways, will be standing by as Fourth Official. Approaching 30, she is on the FIFA list of woman referees.
 
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"Those two and a bit seasons have seen just 16 National League matches – only two of which have been this season."

Oh no .... oh no ..
 
"Those two and a bit seasons have seen just 16 National League matches – only two of which have been this season."

Oh no .... oh no ..

He's been doing other stuff like PL2 development matches, FA Cup qualifiers, Ladies' matches etc. but it is a remarkably low number of League appointments for whatever reason.
 
Welcome to the Hall in your first visit as a ref Mr Atkin. Let's hope that you enjoy a good clean game with no controversy, ending in victory for us, of course.
 
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Assistants are Hugh Gilroy from Chiswick who performed a similar role in our match at Wealdstone and Gary Jerden, a PE educationalist from Wickford. Kirsty Dowle, also a worker on the railways, will be standing by as Fourth Official. Approaching 30, she is on the FIFA list of woman referees.

A late change: the Assistant from Wickford is replaced by George Byrne from Mildenhall.
 
Consistent in his decisions, consistent in blowing. Fairly light on the cards.
The refs decisions did not change the result, much.
The 4th official, couldn't hear her BUT all the nvc witnessed with both sets of coaches suggest she would make a better 1st official.
 
What do you expect? Really?

We are in the fifth level , you get fifth level referees. Every single one I've seen this season has been poor. Fortunately (?) we are worse, so they've had no meaningful effect on our results.

I've watched a lot of NLS games this year.

You think this is bad......
 
People seem to be obsessed with referees this season, we are fourth from bottom because we have a very poor squad, it’s not because of referees. Management staff past and present, senior players and supporters seem to spend every game berating them as if our problems are their fault, we should concentrate on rectifying our own shortcomings rather than dishing out constant futile frustration at the officials.
 
People seem to be obsessed with referees this season, we are fourth from bottom because we have a very poor squad, it’s not because of referees. Management staff past and present, senior players and supporters seem to spend every game berating them as if our problems are their fault, we should concentrate on rectifying our own shortcomings rather than dishing out constant futile frustration at the officials.

Referees certainly aren't the reason we're losing. We was warned about the quality of officials before the season started and can now see what this people meant.

But the others teams I've seen us come up against clearly know what they can get away with and play to it. We hardly touched some of the Woking players on Saturday, went out very easy and pretty much every time got the free kick. It disrupted the game and prevented us getting going even more so than playing poorly. Even little things like slyly kicking the ball away. A very professional performance from them and they knew what could get away with and how to win an easy free kick.
 
Referees certainly aren't the reason we're losing. We was warned about the quality of officials before the season started and can now see what this people meant.

But the others teams I've seen us come up against clearly know what they can get away with and play to it. We hardly touched some of the Woking players on Saturday, went out very easy and pretty much every time got the free kick. Even little things like slyly kicking the ball away. A very professional performance from them and they knew what could get away with and how to win an easy free kick.
If you can't beat them, join them?. Play these teams at their own game, what have we got to lose ( apart from another 3 points! ).
 
What do you expect? Really?

We are in the fifth level , you get fifth level referees. Every single one I've seen this season has been poor. Fortunately (?) we are worse, so they've had no meaningful effect on our results.

I've watched a lot of NLS games this year.

You think this is bad......

Harsh. Alan Dale certainly gave a satisfactory performance against Wrexham and Rob Whitton was doing fine in his match 'til he pulled up lame. Our level 6 referee for the Chertsey match did alright too.
 
If you can't beat them, join them?. Play these teams at their own game, what have we got to lose ( apart from another 3 points! ).
Yeah this, but most of our current players don’t seem to have much clue how to do this. Murphy maybe. Dalby has been mentioned .. he’s perhaps one who needs to get wiser or learn not to get pushed about. He’s got some talent in there but this is a physical league.
 
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