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[MK Shrimper]

Folks,

Need a bit of advice on Operating Systems - my Windows 8 totally died, even the partition on my HD where the backup reinstall copy was, so I installed Ubuntu. Now it seems pretty good, epecially with the built in software, but trouble is it runs so slowly as I don't think my laptop is up to it. Is there another open source OS I can install that would run faster? I really have had my fill of Microsoft. :angry:

 

[Jam_Man]

Ubuntu should run fast, its sole purpose was to be able to run on old hardware as it was intended for the 3rd World, places like Africa and Colchester.

Been a while since I installed it but never had any problems with it, although from a functional viewpoint Windows was always better compatibility wise etc

If your restore partition is gone, thats not Windows 8 dying, that sounds more like a harddrive issue? You sure the HDD isnt causing the problems?

 

[MK Shrimper]

Just read that you can do this from the OS Image that I put on my memory stick. I shall have a go when I get home.

 

[Jam_Man]

Have you installed ubuntu or just running it from the image on the disk ?

I know you can run it from a CD directly without installing it, but that is a lot slower than actually installing it.

 

[MK Shrimper]

Have you installed ubuntu or just running it from the image on the disk ?

I know you can run it from a CD directly without installing it, but that is a lot slower than actually installing it.

No it's installed on the PC.

 

[MK Shrimper]

No it's installed on the PC.

Now running from USB is super fast whilst from the HD is painfully slow. My hard drive works fine. I'm stumped, really am.

 

[WESTY_SUFC]

Have u tried running some diagnostic tests on your HDD? Just to be certain it's not causing any probs or if there are any bad sectors on the disk.

 

[MK Shrimper]

Have u tried running some diagnostic tests on your HDD? Just to be certain it's not causing any probs or if there are any bad sectors on the disk.

Ran the Ubuntu one from the install (on the USB) and it said it was ok. Think I'll have to run a more in depth one.

 

[MK Shrimper]

=== START OF INFORMATION SECTION ===
Model Family: Toshiba 2.5" HDD MQ01ABD...
Device Model: TOSHIBA MQ01ABD050
Serial Number: 826KSIMDS
LU WWN Device Id: 5 000039 435f81901
Firmware Version: AX002J
User Capacity: 500,107,862,016 bytes [500 GB]
Sector Sizes: 512 bytes logical, 4096 bytes physical
Rotation Rate: 5400 rpm
Device is: In smartctl database [for details use: -P show]
ATA Version is: ATA8-ACS (minor revision not indicated)
SATA Version is: SATA 3.0, 6.0 Gb/s (current: 6.0 Gb/s)
Local Time is: Thu May 1 11:51:45 2014 BST
SMART support is: Available - device has SMART capability.
SMART support is: Enabled

=== START OF READ SMART DATA SECTION ===
SMART overall-health self-assessment test result: PASSED

General SMART Values:
Offline data collection status: (0x00) Offline data collection activity
was never started.
Auto Offline Data Collection: Disabled.
Self-test execution status: ( 25) The self-test routine was aborted by
the host.
Total time to complete Offline
data collection: ( 120) seconds.
Offline data collection
capabilities: (0x5b) SMART execute Offline immediate.
Auto Offline data collection on/off support.
Suspend Offline collection upon new
command.
Offline surface scan supported.
Self-test supported.
No Conveyance Self-test supported.
Selective Self-test supported.
SMART capabilities: (0x0003) Saves SMART data before entering
power-saving mode.
Supports SMART auto save timer.
Error logging capability: (0x01) Error logging supported.
General Purpose Logging supported.
Short self-test routine
recommended polling time: ( 2) minutes.
Extended self-test routine
recommended polling time: ( 119) minutes.
SCT capabilities: (0x003d) SCT Status supported.
SCT Error Recovery Control supported.
SCT Feature Control supported.
SCT Data Table supported.

SMART Attributes Data Structure revision number: 16
Vendor Specific SMART Attributes with Thresholds:
ID# ATTRIBUTE_NAME FLAG VALUE WORST THRESH TYPE UPDATED WHEN_FAILED RAW_VALUE
1 Raw_Read_Error_Rate 0x000b 100 099 050 Pre-fail Always - 0
2 Throughput_Performance 0x0005 100 100 050 Pre-fail Offline - 0
3 Spin_Up_Time 0x0027 100 100 001 Pre-fail Always - 1039
4 Start_Stop_Count 0x0032 100 100 000 Old_age Always - 5803
5 Reallocated_Sector_Ct 0x0033 100 100 050 Pre-fail Always - 9448
7 Seek_Error_Rate 0x000b 100 100 050 Pre-fail Always - 0
8 Seek_Time_Performance 0x0005 100 100 050 Pre-fail Offline - 0
9 Power_On_Hours 0x0032 093 093 000 Old_age Always - 3141
10 Spin_Retry_Count 0x0033 215 100 030 Pre-fail Always - 0
12 Power_Cycle_Count 0x0032 100 100 000 Old_age Always - 5712
191 G-Sense_Error_Rate 0x0032 100 100 000 Old_age Always - 601
192 Power-Off_Retract_Count 0x0032 100 100 000 Old_age Always - 54
193 Load_Cycle_Count 0x0032 098 098 000 Old_age Always - 23687
194 Temperature_Celsius 0x0022 100 100 000 Old_age Always - 31 (Min/Max 14/47)
196 Reallocated_Event_Count 0x0032 100 100 000 Old_age Always - 938
197 Current_Pending_Sector 0x0032 100 100 000 Old_age Always - 6928
198 Offline_Uncorrectable 0x0030 100 100 000 Old_age Offline - 0
199 UDMA_CRC_Error_Count 0x0032 200 200 000 Old_age Always - 0
220 Disk_Shift 0x0002 100 100 000 Old_age Always - 0
222 Loaded_Hours 0x0032 093 093 000 Old_age Always - 2880
223 Load_Retry_Count 0x0032 100 100 000 Old_age Always - 0
224 Load_Friction 0x0022 100 100 000 Old_age Always - 0
226 Load-in_Time 0x0026 100 100 000 Old_age Always - 172
240 Head_Flying_Hours 0x0001 100 100 001 Pre-fail Offline - 0

SMART Error Log Version: 1
ATA Error Count: 17872 (device log contains only the most recent five errors)
CR = Command Register [HEX]
FR = Features Register [HEX]
SC = Sector Count Register [HEX]
SN = Sector Number Register [HEX]
CL = Cylinder Low Register [HEX]
CH = Cylinder High Register [HEX]
DH = Device/Head Register [HEX]
DC = Device Command Register [HEX]
ER = Error register [HEX]
ST = Status register [HEX]
Powered_Up_Time is measured from power on, and printed as
DDd+hh:mm:SS.sss where DD=days, hh=hours, mm=minutes,
SS=sec, and sss=millisec. It "wraps" after 49.710 days.

Error 17872 occurred at disk power-on lifetime: 3141 hours (130 days + 21 hours)
When the command that caused the error occurred, the device was active or idle.

After command completion occurred, registers were:
ER ST SC SN CL CH DH
-- -- -- -- -- -- --
40 41 00 80 17 11 40 Error: WP at LBA = 0x00111780 = 1120128

Commands leading to the command that caused the error were:
CR FR SC SN CL CH DH DC Powered_Up_Time Command/Feature_Name
-- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- ---------------- --------------------
61 00 20 00 05 51 40 00 00:08:52.366 WRITE FPDMA QUEUED
61 00 18 00 01 51 40 00 00:08:52.366 WRITE FPDMA QUEUED
61 00 10 00 fd 50 40 00 00:08:52.365 WRITE FPDMA QUEUED
61 00 08 00 f9 50 40 00 00:08:52.365 WRITE FPDMA QUEUED
60 08 00 80 17 11 40 00 00:08:50.089 READ FPDMA QUEUED

Error 17871 occurred at disk power-on lifetime: 3139 hours (130 days + 19 hours)
When the command that caused the error occurred, the device was active or idle.

After command completion occurred, registers were:
ER ST SC SN CL CH DH
-- -- -- -- -- -- --
40 41 00 00 0f 10 40 Error: UNC at LBA = 0x00100f00 = 1052416

Commands leading to the command that caused the error were:
CR FR SC SN CL CH DH DC Powered_Up_Time Command/Feature_Name
-- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- ---------------- --------------------
60 08 00 00 0f 10 40 00 00:50:27.594 READ FPDMA QUEUED
60 30 08 58 0e 10 40 00 00:50:27.381 READ FPDMA QUEUED
60 48 00 08 0e 10 40 00 00:50:27.381 READ FPDMA QUEUED
ef 10 02 00 00 00 a0 00 00:50:27.381 SET FEATURES [Enable SATA feature]
27 00 00 00 00 00 e0 00 00:50:27.380 READ NATIVE MAX ADDRESS EXT [OBS-ACS-3]

Error 17870 occurred at disk power-on lifetime: 3139 hours (130 days + 19 hours)
When the command that caused the error occurred, the device was active or idle.

After command completion occurred, registers were:
ER ST SC SN CL CH DH
-- -- -- -- -- -- --
40 41 00 08 0f 10 40 Error: UNC at LBA = 0x00100f08 = 1052424

Commands leading to the command that caused the error were:
CR FR SC SN CL CH DH DC Powered_Up_Time Command/Feature_Name
-- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- ---------------- --------------------
60 48 10 08 0e 10 40 00 00:50:23.436 READ FPDMA QUEUED
60 30 08 58 0e 10 40 00 00:50:23.436 READ FPDMA QUEUED
60 00 00 08 0f 10 40 00 00:50:23.436 READ FPDMA QUEUED
ef 10 02 00 00 00 a0 00 00:50:23.436 SET FEATURES [Enable SATA feature]
27 00 00 00 00 00 e0 00 00:50:23.435 READ NATIVE MAX ADDRESS EXT [OBS-ACS-3]

Error 17869 occurred at disk power-on lifetime: 3139 hours (130 days + 19 hours)
When the command that caused the error occurred, the device was active or idle.

After command completion occurred, registers were:
ER ST SC SN CL CH DH
-- -- -- -- -- -- --
40 41 18 00 0f 10 40 Error: UNC at LBA = 0x00100f00 = 1052416

Commands leading to the command that caused the error were:
CR FR SC SN CL CH DH DC Powered_Up_Time Command/Feature_Name
-- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- ---------------- --------------------
60 00 08 08 0f 10 40 00 00:50:17.182 READ FPDMA QUEUED
60 48 00 08 0e 10 40 00 00:50:17.182 READ FPDMA QUEUED
60 78 18 90 0e 10 40 00 00:50:17.182 READ FPDMA QUEUED
60 30 10 58 0e 10 40 00 00:50:17.182 READ FPDMA QUEUED
60 d8 08 30 0d 10 40 00 00:50:17.103 READ FPDMA QUEUED

Error 17868 occurred at disk power-on lifetime: 3139 hours (130 days + 19 hours)
When the command that caused the error occurred, the device was active or idle.

After command completion occurred, registers were:
ER ST SC SN CL CH DH
-- -- -- -- -- -- --
40 41 30 f8 18 10 40 Error: UNC at LBA = 0x001018f8 = 1054968

Commands leading to the command that caused the error were:
CR FR SC SN CL CH DH DC Powered_Up_Time Command/Feature_Name
-- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- ---------------- --------------------
60 48 10 78 19 10 40 00 00:50:08.524 READ FPDMA QUEUED
60 68 08 08 19 10 40 00 00:50:08.524 READ FPDMA QUEUED
60 08 48 00 1a 10 40 00 00:50:08.524 READ FPDMA QUEUED
60 18 40 e0 19 10 40 00 00:50:08.524 READ FPDMA QUEUED
60 10 38 c8 19 10 40 00 00:50:08.524 READ FPDMA QUEUED

SMART Self-test log structure revision number 1
Num Test_Description Status Remaining LifeTime(hours) LBA_of_first_error
# 1 Extended offline Aborted by host 90% 3140 -

SMART Selective self-test log data structure revision number 1
SPAN MIN_LBA MAX_LBA CURRENT_TEST_STATUS
1 0 0 Not_testing
2 0 0 Not_testing
3 0 0 Not_testing
4 0 0 Not_testing
5 0 0 Not_testing
Selective self-test flags (0x0):
After scanning selected spans, do NOT read-scan remainder of disk.
If Selective self-test is pending on power-up, resume after 0 minute delay.


I managed to run this diagnostic via the Ubuntu user group website, but had no reply. Can anyone decipher it and tell me if my HD is fritzed?

 

[jstallan]

In my experience SMART will generally pick up errors on the drive and your report says "SMART overall-health self-assessment test result: PASSED" .

Have you tried installing an OS again and performing a full format of the disk (not a quick one) ? It might take a while.

As per an earlier poster, if the drive has lost the backup/restore partition as well it does point to a fault on the hard drive although I share your pain with windows 8. I gave up and reverted to installing Windows 7 on a SSD which makes such a difference.

 

[MK Shrimper]

I've just installed a new SS HD, reinstalled Ubuntu and it's running faster than a greased up road runner, so I think we can say my old HD was fugged! Thread can be deleted mods. :smile:

 

[Jam_Man]

SSD's are great, I run my PCs from them, with a standard Sata drive (or two, or three) for data.

 

[jstallan]

I don't think an SSHD is the same as an SSD. I've currently got an SSHD in a Dell I purchased for someone and the performance against the SSD in my other laptop is noticeably slower. For SSDs there are further configuration needs to ensure the correct lifespan of the device (i.e. disable defragging) http://www.howtogeek.com/97242/how-to-migrate-windows-7-to-a-solid-state-drive/

SSHD or SSD http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/forum/296326-32-sshd

 

[Jam_Man]

Ah thats me misreading MK's post...

 

[MK Shrimper]

Slight issue. After watching the match yesterday on Wiziwig, Ubuntu went tits up and I had to reinstall after just a week.....Anyone got a copy of Windows 7?

 

[Jam_Man]

Slight issue. After watching the match yesterday on Wiziwig, Ubuntu went tits up and I had to reinstall after just a week.....Anyone got a copy of Windows 7?

Assume you got a license product key to use, if so which version?

I have CDs for home premium...

 

[MK Shrimper]

Assume you got a license product key to use, if so which version?

I have CDs for home premium...

:whistling:

 

[Jam_Man]

Your laptop came with win8 on it?

Just install that, with your new hard drive should run well now.

 

[MK Shrimper]

Urgh, no thanks. Not touching that with a barge pole.

I'll stick with Ubuntu for now - I've got my old desktop with good old Vista on it for my Itunes needs.

 

[jstallan]

You should be able to download the ISO image of windows (google search will direct you) and just install. I recently got a friend a Dell laptop running windows 8.1 and installed Windows 7 without any major problems. Licencing is handled automatically via the BIOS and the Win 7 drivers were available via the Dell Website.