Pathetic Shooting Practise At Training.

[THE SEVENTIES NORTH BANK]

Shooting practise with the forwards needs a total change in my opinion, and there currently should be more time spent on it. They are rolled a ball and they try and beat the keeper. Dave Penney normally does shooting practise. There is no instruction from a former deadly striker about balance, timing, taking a touch and the actual striking of the ball.
If Coulthirst and Weston were taught properly, they would both score a hatful this season.
David Crown came in a few times for Tilly. Maybe he could do it again.

 

[sufcwatcha1]

Get Richard young in or tony Richards

 

[thenobster]

or......anyone that could hit a barn door with a banjo... FFS!

 

[chapperzUK]

What is Shaun Goater up to these days?

 

[Jam_Man]

Miles Weston is 26, he shouldnt have to be taught how to kick a ball.

Coulthirst has surely been trained by Spurs coaches, now unless he has completely forgotten as well Im not sure what we need to teach him

All players benefit from coaching, but Id be very worried if we are having to teach them the basics.

 

[THE SEVENTIES NORTH BANK]

Striking a moving Football correctly can be as technical as a golfer hitting a golf ball. If it's not all finely tuned and balanced, then the ball won't go where you want it to. But having someone point out where you are going wrong can make all the difference. Even the position of the leg that's not striking the ball has to be right. At the moment we have Coulthirst who keeps missing the goal altogether, and Weston who shoots straight down the middle at the goalkeeper. Both of these can be corrected with the right training.

 

[Jam_Man]

If Weston has managed to get to the age of 26 without learning that technique there is no hope for him.

There is more to scoring than how you strike the ball, its just important to have composure and self confidence, something both seem lacking in and something harder to train.

Look at Tomlin, when he started with us he was awful, even worse than Weston. When he started scoring though he couldnt stop. He didnt suddenly learn how to kick the ball, all about confidence.

That said, Weston isnt a natural striker, he may just not have that instinct.

 

[THE SEVENTIES NORTH BANK]

Jam, go to training and see for yourself. It's because they are expected to know how to strike a ball that they are not being pulled up on it. If they had the right training they would score more and have that composure and confidence.

 

[IronMike]

Scoring goals is natural, something in my opinion you just cannot teach. By all means, bring someone in who can advise on movement, runs and the like but as for striking the ball - that's just a basic technique of the game, like the jab is in boxing. Composure comes with confidence and a natural arrogance all natural finishers have. You've either got it or you haven't.
Goals win games. Top strikers are unfortunately rare. Scoring is an art form you're simply blessed with and again, cannot teach.

 

[Jam_Man]

Jam, go to training and see for yourself. It's because they are expected to know how to strike a ball that they are not being pulled up on it. If they had the right training they would score more and have that composure and confidence.

I trust what you sa about how the training is done, but Weston is 26, composure in front of goal isnt going to dramatically change because you change slightly how he kicks the ball.

As I said, goalscoring is more than technique, Tomling could striker the ball fine, but put him one on one and the exec boxes had to close the windows when he took a shot. Then it all clicked and he was on fire. All about confidence and self belief.

You also have to not be rubbish as well, which might be factor for Weston (who isnt a striker anyway) and Coulthirst.

Scoring goals is natural, something in my opinion you just cannot teach. By all means, bring someone in who can advise on movement, runs and the like but as for striking the ball - that's just a basic technique of the game, like the jab is in boxing. Composure comes with confidence and a natural arrogance all natural finishers have. You've either got it or you haven't.
Goals win games. Top strikers are unfortunately rare. Scoring is an art form you're simply blessed with and again, cannot teach.

Agreed Mike...

Its talent and belief, Im not sure either have either right now, Weston looked promising in pre-season though so holding out hope.

 

[Barry.C]

M aybe there is also a case for the more you practice the better you get, like my golf swing!! Practice , practice, practice, will bring confidence in its own right. I wonder how much of our percentage practice time is spent on this art , rather than getting 8 behind the ball whenever possible?

 

[THE SEVENTIES NORTH BANK]

Scoring goals is natural, something in my opinion you just cannot teach. By all means, bring someone in who can advise on movement, runs and the like but as for striking the ball - that's just a basic technique of the game, like the jab is in boxing. Composure comes with confidence and a natural arrogance all natural finishers have. You've either got it or you haven't.
Goals win games. Top strikers are unfortunately rare. Scoring is an art form you're simply blessed with and again, cannot teach.

That's what I thought. I was a winger for my school and some local teams. As I got older I converted to a centre forward. I scored a few goals but would miss bucket loads of chances. It was only when I came across an ex semi-professional striker, that it all changed for me. He completely re-taught me how to strike a ball. I never realised it was so technical. It was so much easier to put the ball where I wanted it with power.
So that's why I know that with the right person training them, they would vastly improve.

 

[Jam_Man]

Youd think that both players would already have had that coaching though. Theres one thing an amateur suddenly getting some decent coaching and suddenly getting better and pros who have been coached for a decade or longer.

Would Drewe suddenly have improved if he got specialist striking a ball technique coaching 4 hours a day?

 

[LCBB72]

Shooting practise with the forwards needs a total change in my opinion, and there currently should be more time spent on it. They are rolled a ball and they try and beat the keeper. Dave Penney normally does shooting practise. There is no instruction from a former deadly striker about balance, timing, taking a touch and the actual striking of the ball.
If Coulthirst and Weston were taught properly, they would both score a hatful this season.
David Crown came in a few times for Tilly. Maybe he could do it again.

Competley agree the club could bring ex proven goals scorers back to show the player where the goal is and how to put the ball in the net ,dont laugh but I am sure that King Billy Best or Bill Garner could still pass on the art of scoreing , just by talking to this team and explaning how they made it look easy ,nothing to lose but lots to gain ,

 

[IronMike]

M aybe there is also a case for the more you practice the better you get, like my golf swing!! Practice , practice, practice, will bring confidence in its own right. I wonder how much of our percentage practice time is spent on this art , rather than getting 8 behind the ball whenever possible?

That's what I thought. I was a winger for my school and some local teams. As I got older I converted to a centre forward. I scored a few goals but would miss bucket loads of chances. It was only when I came across an ex semi-professional striker, that it all changed for me. He completely re-taught me how to strike a ball. I never realised it was so technical. It was so much easier to put the ball where I wanted it with power.
So that's why I know that with the right person training them, they would vastly improve.

Both valid points, though I believe that practice doesn't make perfect, but perfect practice does. If you get the right coach, or more importantly the right motivator, that talent will rocket.
Natural talents are honed, the rest of us just pick up the pieces. I learned that a very young age. It's for that reason why at 20 I decided it wasn't going to happen for me, so fell back into the amateur game, whereas my mates and opponents who were naturally gifted at 12,13,14,15 were professionals by 17/18 and only really needed tactics and experience to excel.

 

[IronMike]

Youd think that both players would already have had that coaching though. Theres one thing an amateur suddenly getting some decent coaching and suddenly getting better and pros who have been coached for a decade or longer.

Agree with this, like I said, you've either got it or you haven't. Like me, I learned all the tricks when it was too late (17). Though there is a history of late developers like Ian Wright. Natural goalscorer

 

[Barry.C]

Both valid points, though I believe that practice doesn't make perfect, but perfect practice does. If you get the right coach, or more importantly the right motivator, that talent will rocket.
Natural talents are honed, the rest of us just pick up the pieces. I learned that a very young age. It's for that reason why at 20 I decided it wasn't going to happen for me, so fell back into the amateur game, whereas my mates and opponents who were naturally gifted at 12,13,14,15 were professionals by 17/18 and only really needed tactics and experience to excel.

Yep very good point

 

[THE SEVENTIES NORTH BANK]

Agree with this, like I said, you've either got it or you haven't. Like me, I learned all the tricks when it was too late (17). Though there is a history of late developers like Ian Wright. Natural goalscorer

Did you know that when Ian Rush first played for Liverpool he started to get boo's from the crowd. The Liverpool crowd were used to great strikers. They said he couldn't hit a barn door. He then went on to be one of the greatest strikers of all time. He put that down to an ex striker training and correcting him.

 

[mrsblue]

In fairness when I am at training I score most times when shooting mainly because I have zero pressure however in matches my shooting becomes a worry for those in the bar.

Pressure is such a pig.

 

[Pubey]

Did you know that when Ian Rush first played for Liverpool he started to get boo's from the crowd. The Liverpool crowd were used to great strikers. They said he couldn't hit a barn door. He then went on to be one of the greatest strikers of all time. He put that down to an ex striker training and correcting him.

But sometimes it's the belief that you've changed your technique that is actually getting you over some mental block. It's quite common in cricket that players will blame technique for what is just a natural run of bad form.

Coulthirst is a professional striker at a decent PL club. He has all the natural ability and technique to score plenty of goals in L2.

However what he's missing is some match composure, some confidence, and potentially the ability to deal with pressure. The pressure is on him to score, and he's clearly snatching at chances and he hasn't had a great deal of luck. It's the mental side which I believe is causing his striking and technique to break down.

Expecting him to start making changes to how he strikes a ball is madness. He wouldn't be at the level he is without a solid technique. Instead he needs people to keep faith in him and at some point one chance will go in and he'll feel a whole lot better. Hopefully sooner rather than later!!