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You are ignoring all the good though.

Against Exeter first half we played very good football, Barnard wasnt getting the balls played high and played very well and getting involved in the play, and we played some great passing football.

We didnt maintain that unfortunately in the second half but I could see a lot of good in that first half performance. Even Newport we were the better team until they scored against the run of play.

We are no where near firing on all cylinders, that much is obvious, but I dont think we are that far from turning things around, just need a spark again to kick us into life, where that comes from I have no idea. Sadly if Weston's penalty had gone in it would have given everyone a massive lift and we would all be having different discussions this week.

Still dont understand how he is burying his head in the sand when he is making plenty of changes.
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I am not dismissing the fact that the side can and has played some good stuff and nor am I suggesting there is not individual ability. I am saying that for however well the team plays, the way they are set up, the final third undoes all their best efforts.

As for Barney against Exeter, he did play well, but he certainly did get more than enough around his ears and if the service were better he may have scored. I know he missed a plum chance but would he have if that had been his third full game in a row?

The bit you find difficult to understand about my comment 'burying his head in the sand' is clear. I know he has made personnel changes lately but PB has not set them up any differently. The manager thinks he can create 'Stepford' players. Whoever he sends out does the same job despite it being unsuccessful on a consistent basis. Its not only the players he needs to rotate but the tactics as well.
 
Just listened to Phil Brown and he said it's unforgivable to miss so many chances this season. He said we need a 20 goal a season striker. Some of us have been telling him that 2 months ago.
He said until he finds one, the players in the final third have got to start putting the ball in the net.

Trouble with all this is at training he does so much work on the defensive side, endlessly telling where they are going right and wrong.
Like I said before, I have watched training for many years and this is by far the worst bunch of strikers at shooting.
They do shooting practice and nobody tells them where they are going wrong. Probably because no one can spot where they are going wrong.
You can see as the body shape is all wrong, that it's going to go wide, or they lean back, that the ball is going to go miles over the bar.
And yet, nothing is said.
So defence wise, we have 2 of the best in the lower leagues in Brown and Coughlan. Attack wise, we have no one.


Not sure if someone has already said this as i am about to pop out so havent read all comments but... i wouldnt think Corr or Barney need a coach telling them where they are going wrong shooting wise as these are 2 experienced strikers who have scored goals in their careers.
 
Shows how people can see things differently. I had to go back and read all the post match marks and comments for the Exeter game, but no, I was right in this case. Everyone said he didn't do a lot or make no difference apart from that defensive header, after he came on late in the game. Most subs look energetic when they come on.
He is always carrying a knock, he has long term injuries and misses most training. Phil Brown is using him wisely, but it's not doing much good. I'm afraid it's the beginning of the end for Barry Corr. He will never be as good as he was.

The ball got played up to him a few times and he won a couple of headers and controlled another with his chest. Also won a header at a corner which just missed the target. Thats how I saw it. He might be as good physically as when we first had him, but he can still do a good job.

Chris Phillips @CJPhillips1982 · 21 oct.
Brown also said he did not think Barnard would've been able to start a second game in the space of four days.

Completely different than saying "he can't start 2 games in a row".
 
Just reading through some tweets and apparently according to Chris Phillips we played two up front on Tuesday.

No idea what formation we played, radio didnt really comment on it.

We played 3-5-2 with Binbag-Williams moving into midfield, but Westy was never close enough to BBBC to get onto his knock ons or knock downs. At times looked more like a 3-5-1-1.
 
We played 3-5-2 with Binbag-Williams moving into midfield, but Westy was never close enough to BBBC to get onto his knock ons or knock downs. At times looked more like a 3-5-1-1.

Shame because Weston looked like he could do well from Corr in the early games.

So much for 352 turning us into attacking powerhouses....
 
Not sure if someone has already said this as i am about to pop out so havent read all comments but... i wouldnt think Corr or Barney need a coach telling them where they are going wrong shooting wise as these are 2 experienced strikers who have scored goals in their careers.

Sorry but have to disagree with you. Every succesful athlete whether from tennis, golf, running or even snooker has a coach.

It is so easy to form bad habits, and most of us, in no matter what job we do needs to be either corrected, encouraged or reassured in what we do.
 
You are ignoring all the good though.

Against Exeter first half we played very good football, Barnard wasnt getting the balls played high and played very well and getting involved in the play, and we played some great passing football.

We didnt maintain that unfortunately in the second half but I could see a lot of good in that first half performance. Even Newport we were the better team until they scored against the run of play.

We are no where near firing on all cylinders, that much is obvious, but I dont think we are that far from turning things around, just need a spark again to kick us into life, where that comes from I have no idea. Sadly if Weston's penalty had gone in it would have given everyone a massive lift and we would all be having different discussions this week.

Still dont understand how he is burying his head in the sand when he is making plenty of changes.



Certainly seems he hasn't recovered doesnt it as he is still being used as a sub. Im sure he would have been starting games otherwise.

burying head in the sand is probably a bit strong but we are clearly playing short of confidence. Earlier in the season Brown made the infamous 'the strikers can look after themselves comment' which I didn't take literally and believed that it was more a confidence statement for the strikers.

We now hear from 'Seventies North Bank' that shooting practice is the worse he has ever seen- and no changes are being made as to how we train in an attempt to improve this. Additionally Brown now publicly announces we need another striker- not quite sure what that does for confidence of the existing strikers . In my job if my team screw up the first thing I look at is how did I allow this to happen, what did I do or not do which made this happen. Did I give them the correct instructions, training and understanding. I don't lay the blame at their feet- I lay it at my own and I do something about it
 
He is doing something about it though. He played a different formation last week, which many seem to have completely missed as they are still blaming a solo striker for our woes, played different players, and looking at bringing a striker in.

He may not be delivering results, but he seems to me to be trying to do plenty.
 
burying head in the sand is probably a bit strong but we are clearly playing short of confidence. Earlier in the season Brown made the infamous 'the strikers can look after themselves comment' which I didn't take literally and believed that it was more a confidence statement for the strikers.

We now hear from 'Seventies North Bank' that shooting practice is the worse he has ever seen- and no changes are being made as to how we train in an attempt to improve this. Additionally Brown now publicly announces we need another striker- not quite sure what that does for confidence of the existing strikers . In my job if my team screw up the first thing I look at is how did I allow this to happen, what did I do or not do which made this happen. Did I give them the correct instructions, training and understanding. I don't lay the blame at their feet- I lay it at my own and I do something about it

Several comments from Brown:

Brown: "I can't keep bemoaning our lack of quality in the final third. I've got to do something about it."

Brown: "We have strikers who are good enough to score goals at this level. It’s just about them finding their feet and their form."

Does that sound like a man who is blaming others and doesn't have confidence in his own strikers?
 
What nonsense. Brown's team failed to create a single chance for either Corr or Barnard last night. And that's pretty standard if you're a Southend forward. The issue is NOT the strikers, both of whom would score a bagful with decent service. The issue is the way the team is set up, and responsibility for this lies solely at Brown's door.

Ruddy spot on. He plays Corr without wingers and without Hurst in the side. He plays Barney on his own when he clearly thrives with a partner. He plays Weston/Coulthirst and never asks players to put a ball down the channel.
 
Several comments from Brown:

Brown: "I can't keep bemoaning our lack of quality in the fineal third. I've got to do something about it."

Brown: "We have strikers who are good enough to score goals at this level. It’s just about them finding their feet and their form."

Does that sound like a man who is blaming others and doesn't have confidence in his own strikers?

YES. That's exactly what the first quote sounds like
 
He is doing something about it though. He played a different formation last week, which many seem to have completely missed as they are still blaming a solo striker for our woes, played different playerd looking at bringing a striker in.

He may not be delivering results, but he seems to me to be trying to do plenty.

If he is not addressing it in training then he is not addressing it correctly. He is 'hoping' somethung will work rather than building from a firm base. You build the firm base in training and from what others are saying he is not doing that. Collymores comments in his book on shooting practice are very interesting. I think we will all agree he was far Vetter than anything we have today and he still learnt stuff - but only when the training exercise was quality.
 
It seems to me that under Phil Brown we are on one of two different runs at any time.
We go on decent, unbeaten, often winning runs and we then go on crap, poor runs.
We are on an awful run. Last month PB was Manager of the Month.

Consistently good or poor for several games on the trot. we will win one soon...and woosh off we go again.

It is purely about getting the winning runs to be longer than the losing runs.

PB - Mr All or Nothing.
 
I don't lay the blame at their feet- I lay it at my own and I do something about it

Brown: "I can't keep bemoaning our lack of quality in the final third. I've got to do something about it."

YES. That's exactly what the first quote sounds like

So you would think "I do something about it", that is you taking responsibility. Brown says "I've got to do something about it", and that is passing blame.

What is the difference?

If you give someone a task to do and they don't do it, do you blame yourself for giving them the task or blame them for not completing it?
 
If you give someone a task to do and they don't do it, do you blame yourself for giving them the task or blame them for not completing it?

Both would take some blame, the one person for not completeing the task that was set and yourself for believing you had issued the task to the right person in the first place........I think thats right
 
If he is not addressing it in training then he is not addressing it correctly. He is 'hoping' somethung will work rather than building from a firm base. You build the firm base in training and from what others are saying he is not doing that. Collymores comments in his book on shooting practice are very interesting. I think we will all agree he was far Vetter than anything we have today and he still learnt stuff - but only when the training exercise was quality.

How do these people know what he is thinking and that his training isnt being done properly ?

Are we really saying the fact we arent scoring is because the strikers arent being taught how to kick the ball correctly? Has it really come to that ?

How many chances did Corr have to kick the ball in the net on Tuesday for his shooting technique to let him down? By all accounts despite playing well for most of the game we created very few shooting chances, thats the issue, not the way they kick the ball.


He may have ideas how to turn things around, that doesnt mean its simple to do, football isnt quite as simple as just changing to 442 and then instantly everyone starts playing like champions.

Us armchair fans are great at knowing exactly what needs doing, but football is not quite as simple as that.
 
How do these people know what he is thinking and that his training isnt being done properly ?

Are we really saying the fact we arent scoring is because the strikers arent being taught how to kick the ball correctly? Has it really come to that ?

How many chances did Corr have to kick the ball in the net on Tuesday for his shooting technique to let him down? By all accounts despite playing well for most of the game we created very few shooting chances, thats the issue, not the way they kick the ball.


He may have ideas how to turn things around, that doesnt mean its simple to do, football isnt quite as simple as just changing to 442 and then instantly everyone starts playing like champions.

Us armchair fans are great at knowing exactly what needs doing, but football is not quite as simple as that.

Err yes, I for one am saying that is part of the problem. Hundreds of strikers have had specialist training to improve their shooting. Ian Rush, Teddy Sherringham, Stan Collymore, Ronaldo, to name a few. Ian Rush couldn't hit a barn door before his trainer changed his body shape and angle as he struck the ball. Then he couldn't stop scoring.
It's only ignorance and attitude that makes people not believe in it.
I read somewhere that some of the top European clubs have started using the slo mo computer thing like in golf, to teach players to strike the ball correctly, leading to greater accuracy.
 
Err yes, I for one am saying that is part of the problem. Hundreds of strikers have had specialist training to improve their shooting. Ian Rush, Teddy Sherringham, Stan Collymore, Ronaldo, to name a few. Ian Rush couldn't hit a barn door before his trainer changed his body shape and angle as he struck the ball. Then he couldn't stop scoring.
It's only ignorance and attitude that makes people not believe in it.
I read somewhere that some of the top European clubs have started using the slo mo computer thing like in golf, to teach players to strike the ball correctly, leading to greater accuracy.

I agree with you in regards to doing this with some of the youger players like Shaq and Williams, but Barney and Corr have previously been prolific strikers (Corr for one season, granted). Do you think they would actually take anything away from that sort of coaching at this stage in their career? As they seem to have been able to put the ball away previously, but for some reason not now?
 
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