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Slipperduke

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The arrival of Michel Platini as the head of UEFA was supposed to herald a new dawn for European football. It was the ascent of a footballing legend, a lover of the game, into a position of great power. What a shame that he's turned out to be just like the faceless bureaucrats he replaced.

Let's start with the bloated incoherence of the UEFA Cup. Once, the most intriguing of the European competitions, it was an exciting run of unseeded, two-legged knock-out games. These days, of course, it's an interminable dirge, punctuated by an ill-conceived, unbalanced group stage, then back to an interminable dirge.

Even UEFA could see that this was rubbish so they bunkered down in Nyon, cleared their schedules and came up with...The Europa League! Yes, now it's an interminable dirge, punctuated by a balanced group stage and then back to an interminable dirge. With a new name!

"The changes to the name, logo and brand identity," waffled a UEFA press release, "are the logical conclusion following the decision to alter the format of the UEFA Cup."

No, no and a thousand times, no! Changing the name is not the logical conclusion! If your child is failing at school, you can't just start calling him Einstein in the hope that his grades will go up. You have to find out why he's failing and then sort it out. The one, stand-out reason for the monotony of the UEFA Cup, for all those empty seats at The Eastlands in midweek, is the knowledge that the third placed Champions League teams will be parachuted into the melee in the latter stages, rendering the entire first half of the competition utterly pointless. Why couldn't Platini see this?

Then you have the scandal of the European Championships. Euro08 was one of those rare moments where you could please all of the people all of the time. We, the fans, got a month of outstanding, attacking football. They, the powers that be, made an absolute fortune out of the marketing and broadcasting rights. It was as close to perfect as an international tournament could ever be. Only UEFA could be bone-headed enough to say, "That was brilliant! Now let's change it."

From 2016, the European Championships will be extended to 24 teams which, as anyone who watched the World Cup in the 1980s will know, is like injecting a puppy with tranquilisers. When the third placed team in a group of four can qualify, it means that they can draw all their games and still go through. It means that they don't have to try and win. It means that all that attacking football is at an end. Nice one, lads. Thanks. For. That.

We expect this kind of brand-obsessed, money-grabbing vandalism from the likes of Sepp Blatter, but it's a crushing blow to see Platini kneeling at his altar. Football is not exempt from the credit crunch and it's not immune to saturation. If UEFA continue to squeeze it for cash at the price of entertainment, if they extend or manipulate competitions for TV instead of catering for the people who actually watch it, then they will be the architects of their own downfall.
 
Glad you are back posting again Slip!

On the allowance of 24 teams to qualify, enabling 3rd placed teams through, one of the problems in the 80's was that they awarded 2 points for a win, so two draws equalled one win. If they are planning on 3 points for a win (dunno if they are or not) at the group stage this should in some way assist against teams specifically setting out to draw their way out of the group.

But it does tie in with your criticism of 3rd placed teams in the Champions League Group dropping into UEFA (EUROPA?) Cup.....allowing 3rd placed teams from a group of 4 to go through assits the mediocre, or provides a parachute for the underachieving. Heck even Scotland might fancy getting through to a knockout stage of a European competition.

On the Europa cup idea.....surely they can see that provide a Champions League-lite, resplendent with group then knockout stages is not going to make it more attractive. Surely creating a tournament different (straight knockout) would make it more attractive, and ensure each tie has a lot riding on it.
 
the main problem is....money. If there was a knock out stage too early, then of course, you're halving the possible financial jackpot available to any two given teams, and altough travelling to the darkest corners of Europe to watch your beloved team get knocked out on penalties, after a boring 0-0 defensive stalemate by two teams scared of making a mistake, and then losing your mates in that particular cities 'red light area' only to have to bail them out of the local jail with only 20 minuites before your flight is due to leave, is what makes the UEFA cup fun...its never going to be that way again. Its a business, like coca cola, its there to take your money and DAMN THE CONCIQUENCES!!

tbh, its the next step towards a permanant European League. Who are the 24 biggest money spinners in Europe?.....Champions League for you!....Who are the next 24?...Europa Cup for you.....and the next 24?...hmmm what shall we call this one then?.....ah, the premiership (feeder league to the stars!!)
 
"The changes to the name, logo and brand identity," waffled a UEFA press release, "are the logical conclusion following the decision to alter the format of the UEFA Cup."

No, no and a thousand times, no! Changing the name is not the logical conclusion! If your child is failing at school, you can't just start calling him Einstein in the hope that his grades will go up. You have to find out why he's failing and then sort it out. The one, stand-out reason for the monotony of the UEFA Cup, for all those empty seats at The Eastlands in midweek, is the knowledge that the third placed Champions League teams will be parachuted into the melee in the latter stages, rendering the entire first half of the competition utterly pointless. Why couldn't Platini see this?

I wouldn't say this is entirely the reason but it is delightfully put.

The competition is, after all, diluted by a lot of mediocre teams. Hence Bolton getting in to an eminently winnable game to get to the semis or something daft like that and then mysteriously opting not to bother trying to win. Also, Rangers getting to the final without showing an ounce of ambition?
 
Really hate the fact that teams that fail in the Champions League, then enter the Uefa Cup halfway through, so they can still make money, diddums. It's just daft. The quality of the UEFA Cup went down as soon as they let the 2nd, 3rd, 4th place teams in a league enter the 'Champions' League. How exactly is a team that finishes 4th a champion? So then as you going further down the leagues to get teams for the uefa cup, the quality goes down. Of course it's all about money.
 
How many of the recent UEFA Cup finals have been contested by teams that have finished 3rd in the Chumpions League group stage?

It's totally wrong, they've had their shot in the Chumpions League why do UEFA feel they have to give these teams a second shot?
 
How many of the recent UEFA Cup finals have been contested by teams that have finished 3rd in the Chumpions League group stage?

It's totally wrong, they've had their shot in the Chumpions League why do UEFA feel they have to give these teams a second shot?

For the very same reason that they have to create these group stages in the Champions League and UEFA Cup.

If they don't, the big European sides who have all the money will moan and whinge and threaten to withdraw and create their own competition.

They do not like knockout competitions, because of the risk that they might have to endure the ignominy of suffering the European equivalent of a Manchester United being knocked out by a Southend United and losing out on all that lovely dosh that they would earn by staying in the competition.

If they threaten to break away and form their own competition, then all the suits at UEFA get really worried that they will lose out on earning loads and loads of money by not having the sponsors and the TV money for their own competition.

It's all about money, greed, money and greed.
 
For the very same reason that they have to create these group stages in the Champions League and UEFA Cup.

If they don't, the big European sides who have all the money will moan and whinge and threaten to withdraw and create their own competition.

They do not like knockout competitions, because of the risk that they might have to endure the ignominy of suffering the European equivalent of a Manchester United being knocked out by a Southend United and losing out on all that lovely dosh that they would earn by staying in the competition.

If they threaten to break away and form their own competition, then all the suits at UEFA get really worried that they will lose out on earning loads and loads of money by not having the sponsors and the TV money for their own competition.

It's all about money, greed, money and greed.

Think you missed the point I was trying to make SS, I'm not against the league format at all, I actually think its a good idea and was glad to see it taken into the UEFA Cup. What my gripe is about is the team that fails to progress from the Chumpions Group stage just waltzs straight into the UEFA Cup knockout stage.

At the end of the day they've had 6 games to try and qualify for the knockout stages and if they havent made it then they dont deserve to. They are either in one comp or the other simple as.
 
Think you missed the point I was trying to make SS, I'm not against the league format at all, I actually think its a good idea and was glad to see it taken into the UEFA Cup. What my gripe is about is the team that fails to progress from the Chumpions Group stage just waltzs straight into the UEFA Cup knockout stage.

At the end of the day they've had 6 games to try and qualify for the knockout stages and if they havent made it then they dont deserve to. They are either in one comp or the other simple as.

Yes, sorry mate, I probably was waffling on a bit too much about the group stage system. But I get what you were saying, and I agree with you, why should a team who has patently failed to cut the mustard after six games then be given a chance in another competition?

The answer, though, is as I was trying to say above. It was done as a sop to the big clubs who play in the Champions League, the ones who live in fear of being knocked out by a smaller club. Should the unthinkable happen and they not qualify for the knockout stages of the Champions League, then give them a chance to play some more matches, earn some more revenue and then hopefully not threaten to break away and form their own competition!
 
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