President Donald Trump

[rigsby]

Well. Today's tweet directed at Russia was a bit lively. I don't buy into the scaremongering that WW3 is about to happen, but it's certainly just edged fractionally closer

Now it should be a bit clearer to some of you as to why the US and the UK have ramped up the anti Russian propaganda in the last year.

The real targets are Syria and Iran but first we need to turn the world against Russia so that they wont help countries that the US and Israel intend to attack. Did anyone see that ridiculous press conference where Netanyahu help up a piece of old Cortina exhaust and claimed it was an Iranian drone they had shot down.

Look out for people like Malcom Rifkind. He is on the payroll of the military machine. Despite the fact he has had his day they wheel out people like him to lie to us all.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

https://www.newstatesman.com/world/2018/04/futile-air-strikes-syria-won-t-defeat-assad-and-putin

Thought Paul Mason's NS article on why air-strikes won't defeat Assad and Putin was well worth reading.

 

[Lord Football]

Now it should be a bit clearer to some of you as to why the US and the UK have ramped up the anti Russian propaganda in the last year.

The real targets are Syria and Iran but first we need to turn the world against Russia so that they wont help countries that the US and Israel intend to attack. Did anyone see that ridiculous press conference where Netanyahu help up a piece of old Cortina exhaust and claimed it was an Iranian drone they had shot down.

Look out for people like Malcom Rifkind. He is on the payroll of the military machine. Despite the fact he has had his day they wheel out people like him to lie to us all.

Does it in part explain the rather odd goings on in Salisbury.... discrediting Russia.

The thing of course is that Putin doesn't really care what anyone thinks, and if you ever tune into Russia Today you'll see a completely different version of events. If the States do go gung-ho in the Middle East, I'd expect Russia's position to be exactly what it is today. It wont make a jot of difference.

Trump of course has a habit of posting moronic tweets, and it is down to those around him to ensure that he doesn't really follow through on his threats. Sadly, Trump doesn't understand "strategy" or "consequence" so has little concept that his mad rantings may cause more problems in the longer run. Worryingly it looks like he has now surrounded himself with "yes" men who have the same outlook on foreign affairs as him.

This wont end well.

Let's hope May stays well clear of this madness.

 

[maninasuitcase]

Now it should be a bit clearer to some of you as to why the US and the UK have ramped up the anti Russian propaganda in the last year.

The real targets are Syria and Iran but first we need to turn the world against Russia so that they wont help countries that the US and Israel intend to attack. Did anyone see that ridiculous press conference where Netanyahu help up a piece of old Cortina exhaust and claimed it was an Iranian drone they had shot down.

Look out for people like Malcom Rifkind. He is on the payroll of the military machine. Despite the fact he has had his day they wheel out people like him to lie to us all.

Can you prove that, or is it just one of those posts where you just make stuff up?

 

[rigsby]

Does it in part explain the rather odd goings on in Salisbury.... discrediting Russia.

The thing of course is that Putin doesn't really care what anyone thinks, and if you ever tune into Russia Today you'll see a completely different version of events. If the States do go gung-ho in the Middle East, I'd expect Russia's position to be exactly what it is today. It wont make a jot of difference.

Trump of course has a habit of posting moronic tweets, and it is down to those around him to ensure that he doesn't really follow through on his threats. Sadly, Trump doesn't understand "strategy" or "consequence" so has little concept that his mad rantings may cause more problems in the longer run. Worryingly it looks like he has now surrounded himself with "yes" men who have the same outlook on foreign affairs as him.

This wont end well.

Let's hope May stays well clear of this madness.

True. On Russian TV about 2 weeks ago not only were they pointing out that Novichok would kill you instantly, they said next there will be a chemical attack in Syria and we will blame them for that as well.

By the way the largest ever exercise (google Exercise Toxic Dagger) involving CBRN...Chemical Biological Radiological Nuclear just happened to be taking part in of all places....Salisbury Plain, during the 3 weeks before the Skripals soap opera started.

 

[GBJ]

Now it should be a bit clearer to some of you as to why the US and the UK have ramped up the anti Russian propaganda in the last year.

It's all a bit too much David Icke for me though mate. Listen, I'm the first to question odd occurrances & official stories not adding up, just as I did with the omissions & inaccuracies of the 9/11 commission report. But so far in this scenario, all I see is conjecture & coincidence. No hard evidence

 

[GBJ]

True. On Russian TV about 2 weeks ago not only were they pointing out that Novichok would kill you instantly, they said next there will be a chemical attack in Syria and we will blame them for that as well.

If that is the case, and Russia knew it was going to happen, then why didn't the Russian authorities try to stop it from happening, or at the very least put out some kind of warning?

It it makes no sense that a world superpower, would actively KNOW they were about to be stitched up, but not do anything about it.

 

[rigsby]

If that is the case, and Russia knew it was going to happen, then why didn't the Russian authorities try to stop it from happening, or at the very least put out some kind of warning?

It it makes no sense that a world superpower, would actively KNOW they were about to be stitched up, but not do anything about it.

Russia and Assad having absolutely nothing to gain by killing 70 civilians with gas. We have had no proof that an attack even happened let alone who was actually responsible.

Who does gain from it....Any of the different terrorist groups fighting Assad, as the Western response is totally predictable.
The USA, Israel and of course the British war machine amongst others.

 

[rigsby]

It's all a bit too much David Icke for me though mate. Listen, I'm the first to question odd occurrances & official stories not adding up, just as I did with the omissions & inaccuracies of the 9/11 commission report. But so far in this scenario, all I see is conjecture & coincidence. No hard evidence

If the Skripals were poisoned by Novichok, which is a generic name to cover lots of similar strains of nerve agent. Then it could not possibly be of a military grade because it is 8 times more deadly than VX, which was used on Kim Jong-UN's brother. There is no known antidote and even the wrong chemical and gas tight suits would prove to be useless against it.

I have been on a course to clean the specialist body bags (we had dummies inside) before they can be removed to a military morgue. We were in gas powered suits, those are the full green ones that completely cover you including the Breathing apparatus. We are guided by a scientific adviser and we were then put through a portable shower, well away from the incident and scrubbed by other teams also in the correct suits. Then you go to an even further safe are. No one is allowed any where near he incident because they could transfer some of the agent out of the zone....Remember the foot and mouth scare, washing your boots etc.

Yet I see a picture of plod standing guard 2 foot from the very door that Novichok was supposedly slapped on by agents working for Putin. I see civilians , police and supposedly firefighters all in their shiny new gear mincing around in the 'Hot' zone or watching on from the safe distance of 6 foot and protected by some police incident tape. mmmmm

So the media are telling us we are watching Test match level cricket and I'm seeing the equivalent of 5-a-side footy with jumpers for goal posts.

To claim the Skripals were contaminated and then went to the pub and then a resteraunt and then collapse at the same time 3 hours later is utter nonsense. What about the nurse who administered first aid on the Skripals for 30 minutes before they were removed to hospital ? the ambulance staff who transported them? The A&E doctors ? because how could they have possibly known it was Novichock.

Where the patients isolated like you would for Ebola and how were their clothes dealt with? Or was did they just take the same government advice given to the other diners at the restaurant......Wipe down your clothes with baby wipes.

Boris tells us the Russians have been secretly developing Chemical weapons for the last 10 years. Well if that's the best they can do I say bring on WW3 right now because we will win in less than a week......But just to be safe I will nip up the corner shop and get a couple of packets of baby wipes.

 

[Lord Football]

If the Skripals were poisoned by Novichok, which is a generic name to cover lots of similar strains of nerve agent. Then it could not possibly be of a military grade because it is 8 times more deadly than VX, which was used on Kim Jong-UN's brother. There is no known antidote and even the wrong chemical and gas tight suits would prove to be useless against it.

So from that we can assume that it was one of those strains of novichok that isn't military grade and therefore not deadlier than VX (which actually only killed one person failing to kill his assaillants, his medics, those around him, anyone at the airport, the cleaners, the morgue workers etc etc and was administered via a handerchef).

I think the real questions to be answered are....
if the Russian Secret Service set out to kill these people, why aren't they dead?
How has it been so spectacularly botched?

Neither scenarios are consistent with this type of secret squirrel activity.

 

[rigsby]

So from that we can assume that it was one of those strains of novichok that isn't military grade and therefore not deadlier than VX (which actually only killed one person failing to kill his assaillants, his medics, those around him, anyone at the airport, the cleaners, the morgue workers etc etc and was administered via a handerchef).

I think the real questions to be answered are....
if the Russian Secret Service set out to kill these people, why aren't they dead?
How has it been so spectacularly botched?

Neither scenarios are consistent with this type of secret squirrel activity.

At the start we were told only Russia has Novichok. Turns out about 20 countries do and someone with good chemistry skills and the book by its inventor could make a crude form of nerve agent that would be described as Novichok.

If you remember the Sarin gas attack in Tokyo in 1995 about 12 people died and 4,000 were treated for symptoms including temporary blindness. Supposedly the only reason most of the 4,000 survived was due to the fact that the Sarin was not quite good enough as it had been made by a terrorist/cult group rather than military grade....One pin drop should kill you.

Who knows what actually happened in Salisbury but what is clear that right from the start all the relevant authorities absolutely knew it wasn't that dangerous. If they weren't sure then a full mass decontamination would have been immediately implemented.

What has happened is people like Boris and his controllers thought they would make hay whilst the sun shines and turn it into a complete propaganda operation against Russia. With added bonus of smearing JC with hints of treason etc.

We are now 5 weeks into the long drawn out drama, like removing the bench about 3 weeks later. Not granting visas to the Skripals relatives, the neighbour and best friend saying they should be allowed to die as they are in so much agony and now the 'miracle' recovery.

 

[Blueronron]

At the start we were told only Russia has Novichok. Turns out about 20 countries do and someone with good chemistry skills and the book by its inventor could make a crude form of nerve agent that would be described as Novichok.

If you remember the Sarin gas attack in Tokyo in 1995 about 12 people died and 4,000 were treated for symptoms including temporary blindness. Supposedly the only reason most of the 4,000 survived was due to the fact that the Sarin was not quite good enough as it had been made by a terrorist/cult group rather than military grade....One pin drop should kill you.

Who knows what actually happened in Salisbury but what is clear that right from the start all the relevant authorities absolutely knew it wasn't that dangerous. If they weren't sure then a full mass decontamination would have been immediately implemented.

What has happened is people like Boris and his controllers thought they would make hay whilst the sun shines and turn it into a complete propaganda operation against Russia. With added bonus of smearing JC with hints of treason etc.

We are now 5 weeks into the long drawn out drama, like removing the bench about 3 weeks later. Not granting visas to the Skripals relatives, the neighbour and best friend saying they should be allowed to die as they are in so much agony and now the 'miracle' recovery.

Once again your information is incorrect, the so called neighbour Ross Cassidy was on TV being interviewed after the incident

He freely admitted he had not seen him or made any contact in a year and only passed to say hello, though he did receive a birthday card and yes he was not allowed to visit his best friend, though he hadnot seen him 12 months

Once again making one + one and getting three

 

[Lord Football]

At the start we were told only Russia has Novichok. Turns out about 20 countries do and someone with good chemistry skills and the book by its inventor could make a crude form of nerve agent that would be described as Novichok.

If you remember the Sarin gas attack in Tokyo in 1995 about 12 people died and 4,000 were treated for symptoms including temporary blindness. Supposedly the only reason most of the 4,000 survived was due to the fact that the Sarin was not quite good enough as it had been made by a terrorist/cult group rather than military grade....One pin drop should kill you.

Who knows what actually happened in Salisbury but what is clear that right from the start all the relevant authorities absolutely knew it wasn't that dangerous. If they weren't sure then a full mass decontamination would have been immediately implemented.

What has happened is people like Boris and his controllers thought they would make hay whilst the sun shines and turn it into a complete propaganda operation against Russia. With added bonus of smearing JC with hints of treason etc.

We are now 5 weeks into the long drawn out drama, like removing the bench about 3 weeks later. Not granting visas to the Skripals relatives, the neighbour and best friend saying they should be allowed to die as they are in so much agony and now the 'miracle' recovery.

These protective suits???

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-43741140


But all that aside, I'd assume that if the Russian victims weren't dead, the people that found him weren't dead, and everyone else involved weren't dead, then this nerve agent wasn't as deadly as they thought.

Maybe they weren't designed to die.........

....so that poses the question - why would the Russians do this and have them killed OR did someone else do it to smear the Russians or is there a third party at play who've not heard about yet.

 

[rigsby]

Once again your information is incorrect, the so called neighbour Ross Cassidy was on TV being interviewed after the incident

He freely admitted he had not seen him or made any contact in a year and only passed to say hello, though he did receive a birthday card and yes he was not allowed to visit his best friend, though he hadnot seen him 12 months

Once again making one + one and getting three

So you didn't see the friend who picks them up from Heathrow and gets presents from them at Christmas.

Looks like you haven't done your research, which if your going to accuse another poster of lying, you really should. Otherwise you will end up looking really stupid.

 

[rigsby]

These protective suits???

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-43741140


But all that aside, I'd assume that if the Russian victims weren't dead, the people that found him weren't dead, and everyone else involved weren't dead, then this nerve agent wasn't as deadly as they thought.

Maybe they weren't designed to die.........

....so that poses the question - why would the Russians do this and have them killed OR did someone else do it to smear the Russians or is there a third party at play who've not heard about yet.

Yes those are the ones. If you have worn them then you need a full decontamination through a shower and scrubbed with brushes etc.

The ones who were angle grinding the bench etc were not wearing the correct gear if this really was a nerve agent.

 

[Benfleet A1]

Yes those are the ones. If you have worn them then you need a full decontamination through a shower and scrubbed with brushes etc.

The ones who were angle grinding the bench etc were not wearing the correct gear if this really was a nerve agent.

WTF!!! Has this turned into 12 Monkeys?

 

[Blueronron]

So you didn't see the friend who picks them up from Heathrow and gets presents from them at Christmas.

Looks like you haven't done your research, which if your going to accuse another poster of lying, you really should. Otherwise you will end up looking really stupid.

Oh dear pot and kettle:happy:

 

[rigsby]

Oh dear pot and kettle:happy:

Just google, Skripals neighbours say they should be allowed to die.....Read the articles and then post your apology on here

 

[kaymac]

All very interesting no doubt, arguments either way etc etc, but what’s this got to do with the thread header, El Presidente Trump?

 

[rigsby]

All very interesting no doubt, arguments either way etc etc, but what’s this got to do with the thread header, El Presidente Trump?

Because Teresa May is about to do as he says and use our RAF to bomb Syria.

The Latest Western policy of blaming Russia for anything and every thing is part of the plan. Besides we can't have people like Assad killing 70 innocent civilians, that is our job. We are much better at it as we kill far more and some elite people will become very wealthy with every bomb or missile launched. Oh and of course if we continually destabilise the ME that is wonderful news for right wing Israeli expansionists. They believe Syria is their land, it says so in their 3000 year old bible.