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That’s tenuous. Besides, have you absolute, first-hand proof of this ‘policy’ and if so from whom does it emanate?
 

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Russia and Assad having absolutely nothing to gain by killing 70 civilians with gas. We have had no proof that an attack even happened let alone who was actually responsible.

Who does gain from it....Any of the different terrorist groups fighting Assad, as the Western response is totally predictable.
The USA, Israel and of course the British war machine amongst others.
Again, it's not actual proof of a conspiracy theory mate. I won't disagree that it could be possible, although I'd want to see some concrete, irrefutable evidence before I jumped aboard that ship.
 

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If the Skripals were poisoned by Novichok, which is a generic name to cover lots of similar strains of nerve agent. Then it could not possibly be of a military grade because it is 8 times more deadly than VX, which was used on Kim Jong-UN's brother. There is no known antidote and even the wrong chemical and gas tight suits would prove to be useless against it.

I have been on a course to clean the specialist body bags (we had dummies inside) before they can be removed to a military morgue. We were in gas powered suits, those are the full green ones that completely cover you including the Breathing apparatus. We are guided by a scientific adviser and we were then put through a portable shower, well away from the incident and scrubbed by other teams also in the correct suits. Then you go to an even further safe are. No one is allowed any where near he incident because they could transfer some of the agent out of the zone....Remember the foot and mouth scare, washing your boots etc.

Yet I see a picture of plod standing guard 2 foot from the very door that Novichok was supposedly slapped on by agents working for Putin. I see civilians , police and supposedly firefighters all in their shiny new gear mincing around in the 'Hot' zone or watching on from the safe distance of 6 foot and protected by some police incident tape. mmmmm

So the media are telling us we are watching Test match level cricket and I'm seeing the equivalent of 5-a-side footy with jumpers for goal posts.

To claim the Skripals were contaminated and then went to the pub and then a resteraunt and then collapse at the same time 3 hours later is utter nonsense. What about the nurse who administered first aid on the Skripals for 30 minutes before they were removed to hospital ? the ambulance staff who transported them? The A&E doctors ? because how could they have possibly known it was Novichock.

Where the patients isolated like you would for Ebola and how were their clothes dealt with? Or was did they just take the same government advice given to the other diners at the restaurant......Wipe down your clothes with baby wipes.

Boris tells us the Russians have been secretly developing Chemical weapons for the last 10 years. Well if that's the best they can do I say bring on WW3 right now because we will win in less than a week......But just to be safe I will nip up the corner shop and get a couple of packets of baby wipes.
When you put it like that, it sounds very plausible. However, that'd mean the independent chemical people, who have confirmed the poison came from Russia, would also have to be in on it. As with most other conspiracy theories, the list of people who would have to be involved, just grows and grows.

And what is the end game? Let's say that you're absolutely correct, and the story we've been told isn't true, and there are underhand tactics in play. What is the purpose of it?

A lot of conspiracy theories fall apart, as there is never an end game, other than lizard people, or the illuminati, which I can't subscribe to.
 

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When you put it like that, it sounds very plausible. However, that'd mean the independent chemical people, who have confirmed the poison came from Russia, would also have to be in on it. As with most other conspiracy theories, the list of people who would have to be involved, just grows and grows.

And what is the end game? Let's say that you're absolutely correct, and the story we've been told isn't true, and there are underhand tactics in play. What is the purpose of it?

A lot of conspiracy theories fall apart, as there is never an end game, other than lizard people, or the illuminati, which I can't subscribe to.
There doesn't need to be, its a continual game or a series of games if you like. what has war with Iraq, Afghanistan or killing Gaddafi achieved?.....Its clearly done to destabilise the whole of the Middle East. Russia are an inconvenience to the big game plan.

Trying to expand the EU and include the Ukraine or Turkey.....Which man in the street couldn't see how stupid and dangerous that would be.....The brexit vote has at least saved Europe from that.

The whole war on terror has no end game. Why would we allow known terrorist to walk our streets.....27 police needed to follow each one.

Robin Cook stated there is no such thing as Al Qaeda. He died a week later.

As for covering up things. As long as you have control of the media its easy. If you don't believe me then why has no one ever heard of Emad Salem. Gary Webb or Eileen Welsome.

If you do your research you can actually listen to the recordings of the NYPD on 9/11. They arrested a group of Mossad agents with explosives in their vans and recordings of the attacks. They were released 70 days later and the US deported around 200 Israelis who had been working under cover in NY......Nothing to do with lizards just the people who really control presidents, including Trump.
 

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There doesn't need to be, its a continual game or a series of games if you like. what has war with Iraq, Afghanistan or killing Gaddafi achieved?.....Its clearly done to destabilise the whole of the Middle East. Russia are an inconvenience to the big game plan.

Trying to expand the EU and include the Ukraine or Turkey.....Which man in the street couldn't see how stupid and dangerous that would be.....The brexit vote has at least saved Europe from that.

The whole war on terror has no end game. Why would we allow known terrorist to walk our streets.....27 police needed to follow each one.

Robin Cook stated there is no such thing as Al Qaeda. He died a week later.

As for covering up things. As long as you have control of the media its easy. If you don't believe me then why has no one ever heard of Emad Salem. Gary Webb or Eileen Welsome.

If you do your research you can actually listen to the recordings of the NYPD on 9/11. They arrested a group of Mossad agents with explosives in their vans and recordings of the attacks. They were released 70 days later and the US deported around 200 Israelis who had been working under cover in NY......Nothing to do with lizards just the people who really control presidents, including Trump.
The very idea that the EU wanted to expand to include Turkey was a myth put out by the worst elements in the Vote Leave campaign.
 

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The very idea that the EU wanted to expand to include Turkey was a myth put out by the worst elements in the Vote Leave campaign.
Not according to every Turk I spoke when I was there about 8 years ago.

They even thought the Euro would be a good idea. As most of them relied on tourism I managed to convince them why it would be a financial disaster for them.....Nice people I found, a lot better than some might think.

Anyway back to the main point should we back Donald the ME is no concern of mine Trump and start a war with Syria and leave another country in continual war and turmoil for decades.
 

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There doesn't need to be, its a continual game or a series of games if you like. what has war with Iraq, Afghanistan or killing Gaddafi achieved?.....Its clearly done to destabilise the whole of the Middle East. Russia are an inconvenience to the big game plan.
What benefit is it to us, that the ME is distabilised?

Trying to expand the EU and include the Ukraine or Turkey.....Which man in the street couldn't see how stupid and dangerous that would be.....The brexit vote has at least saved Europe from that.
Agreed

The whole war on terror has no end game. Why would we allow known terrorist to walk our streets.....27 police needed to follow each one.
Yeah, that still baffles me TBH.

Robin Cook stated there is no such thing as Al Qaeda. He died a week later.
What about the numerous videos, testimonies & pictures of people claiming to be part of Al Qaeda? They can't all be fake/plants.

As for covering up things. As long as you have control of the media its easy. If you don't believe me then why has no one ever heard of Emad Salem. Gary Webb or Eileen Welsome.
Yeah this gets said a lot, but there are various platforms of media, which aren't controlled by the same 4-5 people, as it is regularly claimed. Social Media, being one of the biggest.

If you do your research you can actually listen to the recordings of the NYPD on 9/11. They arrested a group of Mossad agents with explosives in their vans and recordings of the attacks. They were released 70 days later and the US deported around 200 Israelis who had been working under cover in NY......Nothing to do with lizards just the people who really control presidents, including Trump.
Mate, I've spent untold hours researching & debating 9/11. With regards to the supposed Mossad agents, it's a take your pick, believe the unfounded reports that they were art students (or something like that) or believe the unfounded reports that says they were connected to Mossad.
 

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Looks like we have all underestimated President Trump and were worrying over nothing. After just one night of war with Syria he has declared "mission accomplished".

So lets move on to the next target Iran and if that goes as smoothly as Syria then surely we could knock Russia soon after.
 

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What benefit is it to us, that the ME is distabilised?

Agreed

Yeah, that still baffles me TBH.

What about the numerous videos, testimonies & pictures of people claiming to be part of Al Qaeda? They can't all be fake/plants.

Yeah this gets said a lot, but there are various platforms of media, which aren't controlled by the same 4-5 people, as it is regularly claimed. Social Media, being one of the biggest.

Mate, I've spent untold hours researching & debating 9/11. With regards to the supposed Mossad agents, it's a take your pick, believe the unfounded reports that they were art students (or something like that) or believe the unfounded reports that says they were connected to Mossad.
It doesn't suit us, as in the plebs in the street to destabilise the ME. After all it will be the Tube system, music or sports venue that will be targeted in revenge. It does how every make all the neo/Cons who are heavily involved in arms, oil and banking a lot richer. You would be surprised how many have dual Israeli nationality, as you don't have to be Jewish to get dual nationality or to be a Zionist ( believing Israel has the right to expand its borders) just in case we have the usual suspects pointing any fingers.

As for controlled media just have a look at any of the Sunday headlines. On the front cover of the Sunday Times we have an 'exclusive' from the first reporter to reach the gas victims. We have a nice picture of a cute little girl cuddling her teddy. Her T-shirt smells of swimming pools so us clever readers can all work why. It doesn't look remotely like she has been injured but who questions military action if its to save these poor children.

9/11 is to complicated to go into on this thread.
 

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It doesn't suit us, as in the plebs in the street to destabilise the ME. After all it will be the Tube system, music or sports venue that will be targeted in revenge. It does how every make all the neo/Cons who are heavily involved in arms, oil and banking a lot richer. You would be surprised how many have dual Israeli nationality, as you don't have to be Jewish to get dual nationality or to be a Zionist ( believing Israel has the right to expand its borders) just in case we have the usual suspects pointing any fingers.

As for controlled media just have a look at any of the Sunday headlines. On the front cover of the Sunday Times we have an 'exclusive' from the first reporter to reach the gas victims. We have a nice picture of a cute little girl cuddling her teddy. Her T-shirt smells of swimming pools so us clever readers can all work why. It doesn't look remotely like she has been injured but who questions military action if its to save these poor children.

9/11 is to complicated to go into on this thread.
You're name is Ken Livingstone and I claim my fiver.
 

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Not according to every Turk I spoke when I was there about 8 years ago.

They even thought the Euro would be a good idea. As most of them relied on tourism I managed to convince them why it would be a financial disaster for them.....Nice people I found, a lot better than some might think.

Anyway back to the main point should we back Donald the ME is no concern of mine Trump and start a war with Syria and leave another country in continual war and turmoil for decades.
I suggest you talk to some German or French citizens instead.While these countries are in the EU their governments have the absolute right of veto over Turkey's application for membership of the EU.As ,of course,does the UK, (while it's still a member), as does any other EU state.
 

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I suggest you talk to some German or French citizens instead.While these countries are in the EU their governments have the absolute right of veto over Turkey's application for membership of the EU.As ,of course,does the UK, (while it's still a member), as does any other EU state.
Shame for you then that they never used it for Greece or Romania, Bulgaria or any of the other countries that should have been blocked.

They never did because the people who make EU decisions are all totally corrupt. That's why the smart people of Britain have ended the whole project.
 
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There doesn't need to be, its a continual game or a series of games if you like. what has war with Iraq, Afghanistan or killing Gaddafi achieved?.....Its clearly done to destabilise the whole of the Middle East. Russia are an inconvenience to the big game plan.

Trying to expand the EU and include the Ukraine or Turkey.....Which man in the street couldn't see how stupid and dangerous that would be.....The brexit vote has at least saved Europe from that.

The whole war on terror has no end game. Why would we allow known terrorist to walk our streets.....27 police needed to follow each one.

Robin Cook stated there is no such thing as Al Qaeda. He died a week later.

As for covering up things. As long as you have control of the media its easy. If you don't believe me then why has no one ever heard of Emad Salem. Gary Webb or Eileen Welsome.

If you do your research you can actually listen to the recordings of the NYPD on 9/11. They arrested a group of Mossad agents with explosives in their vans and recordings of the attacks. They were released 70 days later and the US deported around 200 Israelis who had been working under cover in NY......Nothing to do with lizards just the people who really control presidents, including Trump.
Let's get this right. You are now claiming Robin Cook was murdered by people unknown instead of having a heart attack and a fall.

Can we see your evidence?

Oh sorry that doesn't exist despite you being the self proclaimed expert on the Jill Dando murder, 11/9 (to put in the right order) and Mossad, the poison of the Russian agent and many other things.

Never have you produced a shred of evidence to back you claims. Once again you have found out to be a liar.
 

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Shame for you then that they never used it for Greece or Romania, Bulgaria or any of the other countries that should have been blocked.
Incidentally,the UK (not just France/Germany) didn't use its right of veteo to block the accession of these new member states. either.Greece is,of course,a special case.Don't think anyone would deny they cooked the books to gain entry.

They never did because the people who make EU decisions are all totally corrupt. That's why the smart people of Britain have ended the whole project
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http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-43829282

Thought this was an interesting article on the uncertain costs of Brexit divorce. (was going to post it on the Brexit thread but that seems to have been merged with this one).:winking:
 

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Let's get this right. You are now claiming Robin Cook was murdered by people unknown instead of having a heart attack and a fall.

Can we see your evidence?

Oh sorry that doesn't exist despite you being the self proclaimed expert on the Jill Dando murder, 11/9 (to put in the right order) and Mossad, the poison of the Russian agent and many other things.

Never have you produced a shred of evidence to back you claims. Once again you have found out to be a liar.
Where have I claimed that?

When did I claim that ?

As for 9/11 like I say do your research. You will have to come out from your suitcase some time and confront your Cognitive Dissonance some time.

To quote George Orwell "During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act"
 

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Where have I claimed that?

When did I claim that ?

As for 9/11 like I say do your research. You will have to come out from your suitcase some time and confront your Cognitive Dissonance some time.

To quote George Orwell "During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act"
Trump quoted that in a recent tweet, apparently.In fact its a misquote, as no such quote can be found using exactly those words in Orwell's work,including 1984.

So much for Trump's scholarship.Not to mention his much vaunted (by himself) intelligence.

When people like you (and Callan) start quoting (or misquoting Orwell as here) then you know the world's in a funny place.
 

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Trump quoted that in a recent tweet, apparently.In fact its a misquote, as no such quote can be found using exactly those words in Orwell's work,including 1984.

So much for Trump's scholarship.Not to mention his much vaunted (by himself) intelligence.

When people like you (and Callan) start quoting (or misquoting Orwell as here) then you know the world's in a funny place.
Ok/. Perhaps I should stick to quoting HSBC news, also known as the Guardian.
 

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Ok/. Perhaps I should stick to quoting HSBC news, also known as the Guardian.
No need. :winking: Just accept that Trump misquoted Orwell in his tweet, (as you did by repeating it).That's something that Callan's not guilty of BTW in his signature.

On the general point, I don't think George Orwell would be too happy being quoted by people on the right.Generally those who've only ever read 1984.FWIW,it was almost certainly reading his stuff as a teenager (and later) that made me a socialist.
 
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