Ref Watch Referees we won't see next season ...

[Mick]

The following National League referees have been promoted to the Football League:

Sunny Gill
Martin Woods
Tom Parsons
Adam Herczeg
Tom Kirk

No great surprises, given the playoff appointments. Tom Kirk was a mid season promotion into the National League Premier and has been promoted after just 6 National League games and one playoff.

 

[Whispering Bob]

Wow, beam me up Kirk.

 

[Supershrimper]

More importantly do we get people being promoted from leagues below us or those referees getting relegated where they are not good enough for the football league?

 

[Zeuss]

If our league had to include all those being relegated for gross incompetence,we’d have at least half a dozen at every match and still no improvement.

 

[Maroon Blue]

Phil Parkinson will be pleased he will not see Adam Herczeg next season, slated him after their play off loss. Also said they had him in last regular season game at Dagenham, lost both and Parky believed him to be not good enough and play off game was too big for him?
A bit of sour grapes, blame the ref for losing games

 

[Mick]

Phil Parkinson will be pleased he will not see Adam Herczeg next season, slated him after their play off loss. Also said they had him in last regular season game at Dagenham, lost both and Parky believed him to be not good enough and play off game was too big for him?
A bit of sour grapes, blame the ref for losing games

.... and there's me thinking it was Wrexham who weren't good enough. Great game though.

 

[londonblue]

Phil Parkinson will be pleased he will not see Adam Herczeg next season, slated him after their play off loss. Also said they had him in last regular season game at Dagenham, lost both and Parky believed him to be not good enough and play off game was too big for him?
A bit of sour grapes, blame the ref for losing games

.... and there's me thinking it was Wrexham who weren't good enough. Great game though.

Not to mention the very dodgy penalty he gave them.

 

[Massimo Giovanni]

Not to mention the very dodgy penalty he gave them.

Or the Maradona hand ball goal he missed.

 

[Mick]

More importantly do we get people being promoted from leagues below us or those referees getting relegated where they are not good enough for the football league?

Unlike with teams, relegations from the Football League for referees are few and far between. The normal method of leaving that group is through retirement, often some years too late.

This year's retirees include:

Select Group 1
- Martin Atkinson ... refereed our playoff win in Cardiff
- Mike Dean ... can concentrate on watching Tranmere
- Jon Moss ... can spend time repairing his record shop
maybe a VAR role beckons for some

National List
- Kevin Johnson .... decent ref
- Chris Sarginson .... many years too late
- Trevor Kettle .... even more years too late. Off to India to oversee their referees.
- Brett Huxtable ..... unlucky with injuries
- James Adcock ..... ditto

Also Assistant, Simon Beck who will be known to many older local players and officials who could well be still wondering how he got where he did.

 

[Chris Powell's mate]

Unlike with teams, relegations from the Football League for referees are few and far between. The normal method of leaving that group is through retirement, often some years too late.

This year's retirees include:

Select Group 1
- Martin Atkinson ... refereed our playoff win in Cardiff
- Mike Dean ... can concentrate on watching Tranmere
- Jon Moss ... can spend time repairing his record shop
maybe a VAR role beckons for some

National List
- Kevin Johnson .... decent ref
- Chris Sarginson .... many years too late
- Trevor Kettle .... even more years too late. Off to India to oversee their referees.
- Brett Huxtable ..... unlucky with injuries
- James Adcock ..... ditto

Also Assistant, Simon Beck who will be known to many older local players and officials who could well be still wondering how he got where he did.

I think Brett's injuries came with those sprints to the sweet trolley!
Can anyone think of a less athletic looking official? Jon Moss looked positively svelte by comparison!

 

[Chris Powell's mate]

I can't get my head around categorising officials by the league in which they officiate.
In effect, you're saying they are fifth rate in controlling a match. That can't be right.

Of course, player skills will be fifth tier, but refereeing a match?

Why would it need 'better' officials for an EFL game, or for that matter a PL game? In the latter, they get a huge chunk of help with VAR. If anything, it makes the job easier.
What does better actually mean? They see things lesser mortals don't?
There must be courses that direct refs to improve skills if only by watching footage that makes them more aware. Diving, for a start.

I can see why fit, athletic refs for the faster top tier is good. That said, how did Moss survive so long? But why can't officials in the NL be as fast and fit as their counterparts elsewhere?

 

[Mick]

I can't get my head around categorising officials by the league in which they officiate.
In effect, you're saying they are fifth rate in controlling a match. That can't be right.

Of course, player skills will be fifth tier, but refereeing a match?

Why would it need 'better' officials for an EFL game, or for that matter a PL game? In the latter, they get a huge chunk of help with VAR. If anything, it makes the job easier.
What does better actually mean? They see things lesser mortals don't?
There must be courses that direct refs to improve skills if only by watching footage that makes them more aware. Diving, for a start.

I can see why fit, athletic refs for the faster top tier is good. That said, how did Moss survive so long? But why can't officials in the NL be as fast and fit as their counterparts elsewhere?

Referees in SG1 (Premier League) and SG2 (predominantly Championship) are full-time professional referees - it is actually their job, it's what they do for a living. As well as refereeing a match or two a week, their job involves reviews, gettogethers, conferences, mentoring and importantly a comprehensive training regime.

Referees in the National League, by and large, have jobs and careers and training has to be fitted in round the rest of their lives. That said, the list of NL referees includes a number of marathon runners, a triathlete and I really don't think they've been found wanting for fitness too much. There is no reason why our NL referees should not be as fit as the Football League (Leagues 1 and 2) referees and I've seen nothing to suggest they are not.

 

[Chris Powell's mate]

Referees in SG1 (Premier League) and SG2 (predominantly Championship) are full-time professional referees - it is actually their job, it's what they do for a living. As well as refereeing a match or two a week, their job involves reviews, gettogethers, conferences, mentoring and importantly a comprehensive training regime.

Referees in the National League, by and large, have jobs and careers and training has to be fitted in round the rest of their lives. That said, the list of NL referees includes a number of marathon runners, a triathlete and I really don't think they've been found wanting for fitness too much. There is no reason why our NL referees should not be as fit as the Football League (Leagues 1 and 2) referees and I've seen nothing to suggest they are not.

Agreed! My very point. I should have supplanted 'shouldn't' for 'can't' see why they're not as fit, because they are by and large.
It was the other points that need addressing.
Is a professional referee better than an NL part-timer because he devotes every working to day to improving?
If so, then the NL needs pro refs.
I believe there are no NL squads who are part-time. I think Woking was the last to go with the flow.
But by and large, the standard of officialdom last season in the NL was average.
I've witnessed it over the last seven or more seasons as part of a reporting job, and it has often been dire.

 

[Strykr]

More importantly do we get people being promoted from leagues below us or those referees getting relegated where they are not good enough for the football league?

Im sure the powers that be have been crawling all the pub team fixtures...

 

[Westcliff Shrimper]

Best referee is one you never notice during a game. Unfortunately, there wasn't many games that happened last season IMHO...