Pubey
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Rioting in London over the last few night
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The IPCC automatically investigate every time there is a police shooting.
Rusty Shackleford
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The black community have shown their solidarity with the Duggan family by making off with 40" plasma TVs. I understand this is an ancient tradition that comes from Africa, where for centuries the plasma TV was a symbol of peace and understanding.
londonblue
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Good job then that Cameron and Clegg were on holiday at the same time...
Only 40"?
It's no surprise to me that this has happened in the school holidays. This has nothing to do with peaceful protest, but everything to do with taking advantage of a situation by a bunch of kids that have nothing better to do with their time. Let's hope when they're caught Her Majesty can show them all about time.
Pubey
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The problem is that these areas have been ghetto-fied, both due to a failure of communities to integrate, and also by a failure of the state to provide the infrastucture required. If the community is divided further, which I'm sure it will be, we'll see more issues. Funny that youth centres were recently shut and there were claims 'it would cause riots'. Things like Youth Centres are always seen as soft target and an easy area to make cuts, but they are important.
Eastblack
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[QUOTE It's no surprise to me that this has happened in the school holidays. This has nothing to do with peaceful protest, but everything to do with taking advantage of a situation by a bunch of kids that have nothing better to do with their time. Let's hope when they're caught Her Majesty can show them all about time.[/QUOTE]
Good job they didn't riot on a school night, they might have been late for maths the next day.
Good job they didn't riot on a school night, they might have been late for maths the next day.
thewhelk
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throwing **** at em would work as well!!!, THERES NOTHING WORSE TAHN THE SMELL OF DOGS MESS ON YOUR CLOTHES
thewhelk
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Good job they didn't riot on a school night, they might have been late for maths the next day.[/QUOTE]
ooh yes I mean these rapists, drug dealers and murder's are always and I mean always in there classes by 9!
Pubey
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corrected:smile:
That's presumably what the police horses were there for, so they could stand around and ****.
applelover
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According to news reports it is extremely rare for the IPCC to be at the scene of an incident so soon after it has occurred
I'd like to think that's it is extremely rare that the police shoot people.
Swiss Tony
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Thats a green from me when i'm allowed,post of the month Rusty,sharp as a razor mate.
Davros
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good live updates on the telegraph website... http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/8687177/London-riots-live.html
kicking off in Hackney (quell surprise)
kicking off in Hackney (quell surprise)
Perth Bambi
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Now I haven't seen much of this but that's just lazy commenting. Half the people I have seen on the news throwing things are white.
Pubey
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Interesting article from a few months ago:
NSFW title - http://tinyurl.com/492dm68
What did you make of the Parliament Square riots?
This was the fourth student riot, and for the first time I felt that the police had been put under serious physical pressure. I could see they had lost their confidence. They had that thousand-yard stare of a Khe Sanh marine whose perimeter is about to be overrun. At the G-20 and rounds 2 and 3 of the student riots I thought the police had been too violent. I also thought that they weren’t seeing what was around the corner. I’ve covered two wars and about ten riots all around Europe over the last 15 years, and I’m looking at the officers who are wasting the underfed, softly spoken students and thinking: “Well, you’re maybe laughing under your gelcoat-layered public-order helmet now. It’s all very well being able to bully a schoolgirl while you yourself are protected by a shield of thermoplastic body armor and 16 GA carbon-steel-reinforced chest plates. But what’s going to happen when you’re faced with a mob of 300 rooting-tooting urchins on the cuts-shredded estates of Liverpool, Southeast London, and Bristol? That’s going to be a different matter.”
How do you mean?
I was recently in Liverpool with a man called Stephen French, one of the guys who started the Toxteth riots. He and two other young black men tried to stop police from getting heavy-handed on one of their friends, and things escalated into one of the worst riots of the 20th century.
That’s Stephen French from the article we did about the Norris Green gangs a couple of years ago [“Mersey Infanticide,” V15N9]. What’s he been telling you?
Well, he does a lot of grassroots community work, often dealing with young gang members in places like Norris Green. He told me that when the government cuts really start to bite into working-class Britain, the demonstrations and the riots will make today’s thing in Parliament Square look like a Punch and Judy show.When they start repossessing people’s council houses and the benefits are taken away and the health centers close down?Yes, we know this is going to happen. And the young people in these places are going to be as “upset” as the students. The feeling, among experts, politicians, and even police officers I’ve spoken to, is that the British underclass of this country is going to rise up against the authorities like nothing we’ve seen since the Brixton or Toxteth riots of the 80s.
I was a kid during those riots—I remember being terrified.
But that’s not the important bit. The problem is that many of these “youngers” are proper ruffians and scuffians—they are armed to the teeth with automatic weapons, handguns, and IEDs, which is pretty much standard gang fare in many postwar urbanizations across the country these days. It may sound frightening, but the question then is, how are the police going to deal with what can technically be called an armed insurgency? Even jobless brickies know how to get hold of a gun these days, because, simply put, they are out there in large numbers.Gang culture is deep rooted on these estates, and the unemployed are swelling their ranks. What’s different is that people today are not afraid to use serious violence, especially against a system they blame for obliterating their future.
Sounds scary. Do you have any more evidence to back this up?
Read the papers. The police are also gearing up for the threat. I’ve been scouring them all and looking at Police Authority reports, and I can read you out some basic facts if you don’t believe me.
Sure…I’ve been researching this story with the help of contacts from both the police and anarchist organizations. What I’ve learned is that the Metropolitan Police have bought 13 armored personnel carriers called Jankel Guardians that weigh about six tons each. They also have sniper platforms in them.
Sniper platforms?
Yep. There’s also evidence that they’ve acquired a surveillance drone and some ballistically protected, army-style Land Rovers—the kind they use in Northern Ireland and Iraq. All across the country, law-enforcement agencies are buying weapons systems used in Afghanistan, including Heckler & Koch G36 machine guns. They’ve got a range of more than half a mile and can fire 750 rounds per minute.
If the police had had those kinds of guns at the riot today, there’d have been a bloodbath.There’s more. In Leeds, Manchester, Birmingham, and London, there will be paramilitary-style training centers where police officers will be taught by the SAS. There have also been sightings of police officers wearing civilian dress but wearing blue caps marked “Police” and carrying modified Heckler & Koch rifles that are exactly the same as the SAS use.
For the benefit of our American readers, what is the SAS?
The Special Air Service. They are Britain’s—and some would say the world’s—most elite troops. You call them up as a last resort when things have gone totally pear-shaped and you need somebody to come in and kill everybody all at once. They make the Special Forces look like traffic police.I read about this kind of stuff briefly, but the papers said it was because they were training their forces against “Mumbai-style attacks,” meaning Al-Qaeda operatives who would come into our shopping centers and slaughter shoppers.Hmm. Do you believe that Al-Qaeda is going to attack shopping centers in Birmingham and Leeds, or Liverpool for that matter? Do you even believe that Al-Qaeda exists? Drones and Snatch Land Rovers are tools of oppression. Land Rover was castigated in the 70s for supplying the apartheid regime in South Africa. What’s different here and now? Isn’t it more realistic to think that now the police themselves are losing a sizable proportion of their force and they’re teaching themselves to deal with an increasingly unhappy British population by learning military tricks and accumulating military hardware?
Who else did you talk to about this?
I also spoke to a professor called Stephen Graham, who’s an expert in cities and society at Newcastle University. He reckons the military ideas of counter-insurgency learned in Iraq and Afghanistan are relating increasingly to domestic policing in the UK.
How so?
Well, look at the newspapers. You’ll see that armed-response units are being increasingly called out for relatively minor offenses. And that’s because the authorities are increasingly viewing cities as threatening spaces where everyone is a target.
Cities as opposed to what?
Stephen also told me that in 2011 the civil disturbances will be more widespread and not confined to ghettos. It’ll be the poor white suburbs as well, because those places are already on the breadline, even before the cuts. There’s a tension, a real hatred now of the police antigang units, which is similar to what we had in our day. The main difference now is that in the poor areas where the government cuts are going to hit the hardest—those areas are armed to the teeth.The problem is that when you militarize the police, activists see them as fair game—as the enemy. That’s bad news for the 50 percent of officers who want to serve the common good and uphold the law—like the police medic Stewart who gave me a bandage after I was attacked by a load of ****ing Facebook teddy-boy students and those scruffy **** benefits scroungers from the Whitechapel Anarchist Group.
NSFW title - http://tinyurl.com/492dm68
What did you make of the Parliament Square riots?
This was the fourth student riot, and for the first time I felt that the police had been put under serious physical pressure. I could see they had lost their confidence. They had that thousand-yard stare of a Khe Sanh marine whose perimeter is about to be overrun. At the G-20 and rounds 2 and 3 of the student riots I thought the police had been too violent. I also thought that they weren’t seeing what was around the corner. I’ve covered two wars and about ten riots all around Europe over the last 15 years, and I’m looking at the officers who are wasting the underfed, softly spoken students and thinking: “Well, you’re maybe laughing under your gelcoat-layered public-order helmet now. It’s all very well being able to bully a schoolgirl while you yourself are protected by a shield of thermoplastic body armor and 16 GA carbon-steel-reinforced chest plates. But what’s going to happen when you’re faced with a mob of 300 rooting-tooting urchins on the cuts-shredded estates of Liverpool, Southeast London, and Bristol? That’s going to be a different matter.”
How do you mean?
I was recently in Liverpool with a man called Stephen French, one of the guys who started the Toxteth riots. He and two other young black men tried to stop police from getting heavy-handed on one of their friends, and things escalated into one of the worst riots of the 20th century.
That’s Stephen French from the article we did about the Norris Green gangs a couple of years ago [“Mersey Infanticide,” V15N9]. What’s he been telling you?
Well, he does a lot of grassroots community work, often dealing with young gang members in places like Norris Green. He told me that when the government cuts really start to bite into working-class Britain, the demonstrations and the riots will make today’s thing in Parliament Square look like a Punch and Judy show.When they start repossessing people’s council houses and the benefits are taken away and the health centers close down?Yes, we know this is going to happen. And the young people in these places are going to be as “upset” as the students. The feeling, among experts, politicians, and even police officers I’ve spoken to, is that the British underclass of this country is going to rise up against the authorities like nothing we’ve seen since the Brixton or Toxteth riots of the 80s.
I was a kid during those riots—I remember being terrified.
But that’s not the important bit. The problem is that many of these “youngers” are proper ruffians and scuffians—they are armed to the teeth with automatic weapons, handguns, and IEDs, which is pretty much standard gang fare in many postwar urbanizations across the country these days. It may sound frightening, but the question then is, how are the police going to deal with what can technically be called an armed insurgency? Even jobless brickies know how to get hold of a gun these days, because, simply put, they are out there in large numbers.Gang culture is deep rooted on these estates, and the unemployed are swelling their ranks. What’s different is that people today are not afraid to use serious violence, especially against a system they blame for obliterating their future.
Sounds scary. Do you have any more evidence to back this up?
Read the papers. The police are also gearing up for the threat. I’ve been scouring them all and looking at Police Authority reports, and I can read you out some basic facts if you don’t believe me.
Sure…I’ve been researching this story with the help of contacts from both the police and anarchist organizations. What I’ve learned is that the Metropolitan Police have bought 13 armored personnel carriers called Jankel Guardians that weigh about six tons each. They also have sniper platforms in them.
Sniper platforms?
Yep. There’s also evidence that they’ve acquired a surveillance drone and some ballistically protected, army-style Land Rovers—the kind they use in Northern Ireland and Iraq. All across the country, law-enforcement agencies are buying weapons systems used in Afghanistan, including Heckler & Koch G36 machine guns. They’ve got a range of more than half a mile and can fire 750 rounds per minute.
If the police had had those kinds of guns at the riot today, there’d have been a bloodbath.There’s more. In Leeds, Manchester, Birmingham, and London, there will be paramilitary-style training centers where police officers will be taught by the SAS. There have also been sightings of police officers wearing civilian dress but wearing blue caps marked “Police” and carrying modified Heckler & Koch rifles that are exactly the same as the SAS use.
For the benefit of our American readers, what is the SAS?
The Special Air Service. They are Britain’s—and some would say the world’s—most elite troops. You call them up as a last resort when things have gone totally pear-shaped and you need somebody to come in and kill everybody all at once. They make the Special Forces look like traffic police.I read about this kind of stuff briefly, but the papers said it was because they were training their forces against “Mumbai-style attacks,” meaning Al-Qaeda operatives who would come into our shopping centers and slaughter shoppers.Hmm. Do you believe that Al-Qaeda is going to attack shopping centers in Birmingham and Leeds, or Liverpool for that matter? Do you even believe that Al-Qaeda exists? Drones and Snatch Land Rovers are tools of oppression. Land Rover was castigated in the 70s for supplying the apartheid regime in South Africa. What’s different here and now? Isn’t it more realistic to think that now the police themselves are losing a sizable proportion of their force and they’re teaching themselves to deal with an increasingly unhappy British population by learning military tricks and accumulating military hardware?
Who else did you talk to about this?
I also spoke to a professor called Stephen Graham, who’s an expert in cities and society at Newcastle University. He reckons the military ideas of counter-insurgency learned in Iraq and Afghanistan are relating increasingly to domestic policing in the UK.
How so?
Well, look at the newspapers. You’ll see that armed-response units are being increasingly called out for relatively minor offenses. And that’s because the authorities are increasingly viewing cities as threatening spaces where everyone is a target.
Cities as opposed to what?
Stephen also told me that in 2011 the civil disturbances will be more widespread and not confined to ghettos. It’ll be the poor white suburbs as well, because those places are already on the breadline, even before the cuts. There’s a tension, a real hatred now of the police antigang units, which is similar to what we had in our day. The main difference now is that in the poor areas where the government cuts are going to hit the hardest—those areas are armed to the teeth.The problem is that when you militarize the police, activists see them as fair game—as the enemy. That’s bad news for the 50 percent of officers who want to serve the common good and uphold the law—like the police medic Stewart who gave me a bandage after I was attacked by a load of ****ing Facebook teddy-boy students and those scruffy **** benefits scroungers from the Whitechapel Anarchist Group.
chadded
Not striking since 2004
Getting proper nawwwty in Old London town right now allegedly...
Dick Bate's Protege
Minister for Equality
I'd just love to see the Royal Marines roll into town right about now.
Dick Bate's Protege
Minister for Equality
Knowing this country there's probably a hose pipe ban.
@Pubey - he's not the only person to suggest similar things.
The Kaiser Chiefs were predicting all this a good five+ years ago.
The Kaiser Chiefs were predicting all this a good five+ years ago.
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