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Round 1 Heat 10

Who is the Best Song Writer


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Cricko

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Heat 10 brings together a very interesting battle between,

Phil Collins - Crawliano v Leonard Cohen - Bearded Shrimper

The Zoner's will decide who goes through.
 
I'd vote for Osama Bin Laden against ****ing Phil Collins, but Leonard Cohen did write Hallelujah....
 
Phil for me

american-psycho.jpg
 
Right, here goes...

Phil "I fought in the Alamo" Collins, generally seen by most as a bit of a novelty act is anything but. Brought into Genesis in the early 70's and doing a cracking job as a backing vocalist and lead vocals on a couple of tracks.

After Gabriel almost bankrupted the group with his showmanship on "Lamd Lies Down On Broadway" and subsequently left to further his conceptual aims the group brought Phil from behind the drum kit and to the mic full time. The first album demonstrating his skills was "A Trick Of The Tail". We're not going to focus too much on that though here as I'm celebrating Phil, the writer, not Phil the singer.

Phil's song writing capabilities came to prominence more as Genesis headed towards the 80s. Fuelled by personal crises Phil could draw on inspiration from his life and pen his feelings. The first songs to really draw on his circumstances were found on the albums "Duke" and "Face Value", released pretty soon after each other.

"Misunderstanding" being one song that keeps a nice cheery rhythm, the video a little jokey, but that last verse, dark.

Since then I've been running around trying to find you
I went to the places that we always go
I rang your house but got no answer
Jumped in my car, I went round there
Still don't believe it
He was just leaving

[video=youtube;e3zzsPwHMD0]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e3zzsPwHMD0&feature=related[/video]

If you ever want to have an insight into the mind of a man who's pouring out his feelings (in some cases a cry for help it would seem) visit Phil circa 1980-1981. Still though, he found happiness eventually with a new love:

[video=youtube;DJpDjqaZplc]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DJpDjqaZplc&feature=related[/video]

Cost him another few million a few years later though, but hey.

If I make the next round, it's "Hello I Must be Going" / "Abacab" / "Genesis" era Phil.
 
Has to be the might Len - total genius, probably the most gifted lyricist this world has ever seen.
I think YouTube links are a bit counter-productive here as most people will hear his voice and switch off, so here's some lyrics instead;

AVALANCHE
Well I stepped into an avalanche, it covered up my soul;
when I am not this hunchback that you see, I sleep beneath the golden hill.
You who wish to conquer pain, you must learn, learn to serve me well.

You strike my side by accident as you go down for your gold.
The cripple here that you clothe and feed is neither starved nor cold;
he does not ask for your company, not at the centre, the centre of the world.

When I am on a pedestal, you did not raise me there.
Your laws do not compel me to kneel grotesque and bare.
I myself am the pedestal for this ugly hump at which you stare.

You who wish to conquer pain, you must learn what makes me kind;
the crumbs of love that you offer me, they're the crumbs I've left behind.
Your pain is no credential here, it's just the shadow, shadow of my wound.

I have begun to long for you, I who have no greed;
I have begun to ask for you, I who have no need.
You say you've gone away from me, but I can feel you when you breathe.

Do not dress in those rags for me, I know you are not poor;
you don't love me quite so fiercely now when you know that you are not sure,
it is your turn, beloved, it ïs your flesh that I wear.


DRESS REHEARSAL RAG
Four o'clock in the afternoon and I didn't feel like very much.
I said to myself, "Where are you golden boy, where is your famous golden touch?"
I thought you knew where all of the elephants lie down,
I thought you were the crown prince of all the wheels in Ivory Town.
Just take a look at your body now, there's nothing much to save
and a bitter voice in the mirror cries, "Hey, Prince, you need a shave."
Now if you can manage to get your trembling fingers to behave,
why don't you try unwrapping a stainless steel razor blade?
That's right, it's come to this, yes it's come to this,
and wasn't it a long way down, wasn't it a strange way down?

There's no hot water and the cold is running thin.
Well, what do you expect from the kind of places you've been living in?
Don't drink from that cup, it's all caked and cracked along the rim.
That's not the electric light, my friend, that is your vision growing dim.
Cover up your face with soap, there, now you're Santa Claus.
And you've got a gift for anyone who will give you his applause.
I thought you were a racing man, ah, but you couldn't take the pace.
That's a funeral in the mirror and it's stopping at your face.
That's right, it's come to this, yes it's come to this,
and wasn't it a long way down, ah wasn't it a strange way down?

Once there was a path and a girl with chestnut hair,
and you passed the summers picking all of the berries that grew there;
there were times she was a woman, oh, there were times she was just a child,
and you held her in the shadows where the raspberries grow wild.
And you climbed the twilight mountains and you sang about the view,
and everywhere that you wandered love seemed to go along with you.
That's a hard one to remember, yes it makes you clench your fist.
And then the veins stand out like highways, all along your wrist.
And yes it's come to this, it's come to this,
and wasn't it a long way down, wasn't it a strange way down?

You can still find a job, go out and talk to a friend.
On the back of every magazine there are those coupons you can send.
Why don't you join the Rosicrucians, they can give you back your hope,
you can find your love with diagrams on a plain brown envelope.
But you've used up all your coupons except the one that seems
to be written on your wrist along with several thousand dreams.
Now Santa Claus comes forward, that's a razor in his mit;
and he puts on his dark glasses and he shows you where to hit;
and then the cameras pan, the stand in stunt man,
dress rehearsal rag, it's just the dress rehearsal rag,
you know this dress rehearsal rag, ït's just a dress rehearsal rag.



SING ANOTHER SONG BOYS
Ah his fingernails, I see they're broken, his ships they're all on fire.
The moneylender's lovely little daughter ah, she's eaten, she's eaten with desire.
She spies him through the glasses from the pawnshops of her wicked father.
She hails him with a microphone that some poor singer, just like me, had to leave her.
She tempts him with a clarinet, she waves a Nazi dagger.

She finds him lying in a heap; she wants to be his woman.
He says, "Yes, I might go to sleep but kindly leave, leave the future, leave it open."
He stands where it is steep, oh I guess he thinks that he's the very first one,
his hand upon his leather belt now like it was the wheel of some big ocean liner.
And she will learn to touch herself so well as all the sails burn down like paper.
And he has lit the chain of his famous cigarillo.

Ah, they'll never, they'll never ever reach the moon, at least not the one that we're after;
it's floating broken on the open sea, look out there, my friends, and it carries no survivors.
But lets leave these lovers wondering why they cannot have each other,
and let's sing another song, boys, this one has grown old and bïtter.




 
This kina thing still amuses me.

Gordon Brown insisted today that Labour was the only party that could be trusted to keep the country free of Phil Collins. The pop star famously promised to leave the country if Labour won the 1997 general election, helping the party to a famous landslide victory.
‘That this country has not been blighted by Phil Collins for almost 13 years is the direct consequence of three terms of Labour government,’ said the Prime Minister. ‘There are many youngsters today that have never heard ‘Another Day in Paradise’, and we are committed to keeping it that way.’
The Conservative Party has accused the Government of ‘scaremongering of the worst kind’, but Labour has stood by its latest posters carrying the slogan ‘Vote Cameron, Get Collins’.
Brown’s warning comes as a further blow to Phil Collins fans after the extent to which the performer had let himself go was revealed when he appeared in a Dairy Milk advert last year.
 
I loved Genesis with Peter Gabriel, but didn't really take to them after he left, and I wasn't a particular fan of Collins as a solo artists, although to be fair No Jacket Required was a pretty decent album.

A friend of mine used to listen to Cohen to cheer herself up :stunned: and IMO Cohen did the misery/depression thing a whole lot better than Morissey.
 
Seriously, Phil is losing against Cohen?

'king hell. Some people just dont know they were born.
 
[video=youtube;6fMnF0Fvdpo]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6fMnF0Fvdpo&feature=related[/video]

[video=youtube;L-QkIyyqAK0]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L-QkIyyqAK0[/video]
 
Possibly one of the best side 1 track 1's ever???

[video=google;-8962844441700518135]http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8962844441700518135[/video]
 
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